Faster Trains to link Canberra and Sydney

[eddy]

As the federal government misjudged the public with the yes vote we should have a referendum on if we want to spend heaps on a nuclear submarine or invest that money on connecting Sydney to Melbourne via Canberra and Albury eliminating trucks and planes between them and allowing a return of $2b p/a from overnight trains,$2b p/a from daytime trains and up to $12b p/a from connecting HVDC to Snowy 2.

The customer is always right and we would call the shots with China.

After reading how much we get from our iron ore to China I think it would be best to balance our trade by buying the 60 TBM off them instead of the nuclear sub. https://www.intelligentinvestor.com.au/ ... ack/152445

[BroadGauge]

As the federal government misjudged the public with the yes vote we should have a referendum on if we want to spend heaps on a nuclear submarine or invest that money on connecting Sydney to Melbourne via Canberra and Albury

The federal government doesn't need to change the constitution in order to build a high speed train, so why would they have a referendum?

I also highly doubt that any referendum on your proposed HSR line, as ridiculous as the idea of such a referendum is, would be successful seeing as the majority of states would need to vote 'yes' for a referendum to pass.

[eddy]

As the federal government misjudged the public with the yes vote we should have a referendum on if we want to spend heaps on a nuclear submarine or invest that money on connecting Sydney to Melbourne via Canberra and Albury

The federal government doesn't need to change the constitution in order to build a high speed train, so why would they have a referendum?

I also highly doubt that any referendum on your proposed HSR line, as ridiculous as the idea of such a referendum is, would be successful seeing as the majority of states would need to vote 'yes' for a referendum to pass.

They had one for the Gotthard Base Tunnel and most Australians are pretty smart.

Basically it is a choice of a proven, profitable Japanese SC maglev connecting Sydney to Melbourne or start a blue with China by threatening to blockade them again with nuclear submarines.

[PG1]

Eddy,

You are correct in saying that a referendum was held for the Tunnel funding - in fact, some research shows that in 1992 (the year of this referenda) the Swiss had 19 separate referenda questions (held on 4 separate voting days).

The Swiss concept of referendum's is very unique (and quite citizen based I must add) with some questions being mandatory, whilst others are not (imagine the turnout in Australia if referenda voting was not compulsory!)

I must have to say though - there is always a but, isn't there? - that the chances of Western Australian people voting yes for something that would never impact their daily lives and giving those "damn Eastern States people something!" would be extremely low.

I agree with the comments of BroadGauge that a referendum would be not required.

Your statement that you want to start a blue with China and threaten a blockade is senseless - what would it mean to exporters and importers? what purpose other than to "promote/foster" your desire.

[eddy]

Eddy,

You are correct in saying that a referendum was held for the Tunnel funding - in fact, some research shows that in 1992 (the year of this referenda) the Swiss had 19 separate referenda questions (held on 4 separate voting days).

The Swiss concept of referendum's is very unique (and quite citizen based I must add) with some questions being mandatory, whilst others are not (imagine the turnout in Australia if referenda voting was not compulsory!)

I must have to say though - there is always a but, isn't there? - that the chances of Western Australian people voting yes for something that would never impact their daily lives and giving those "damn Eastern States people something!" would be extremely low.

I agree with the comments of BroadGauge that a referendum would be not required.

Your statement that you want to start a blue with China and threaten a blockade is senseless - what would it mean to exporters and importers? what purpose other than to "promote/foster" your desire.

Thanks for the reply and there is always a but and I think the other states would agree if they got an equal amount off the fed.

When Japan blockaded China before WW2 they said that was never going to happen again and when America nuked Japan North Korea decided then they would be able to withstand any attack so they had their sights on having a nuke then.

Every country has their hawks and doves and I am afraid I am the latter and I believe if we balanced our trade with China by buying the 60 TBM Australia would be calling the shots as the customer is always right.

On meet the press Australia one day Pat Conroy gave a speech trying to sell American submarines.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5v4TAQrW_A

Followed by another guy trying to get money for defense the next day (note peter Dutton there)

I always try and put myself in the other guys shoes and we would be pretty peeved if China had a nuclear submarine in Bass straight.

I honestly do not know how Australians prefer a Nuclear submarine or a proven, profitable way to get rid of trucks and planes between Sydney and Melbourne.

PS
A history of China before WW2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fURGAYrY9XA

[eddy]

HVDC cables with 100% p/a profit in the British tunnel made me think HVDC from Snowy 2 could earn $12b p/a in the Japanese SC maglev tunnel connecting Sydney to Melbourne but it did make me wonder if they were doing an Enron.

HVDC cables. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JH9-0AbR_1U&t=2s

Enron ripping California off A$30b https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0vRuHn9MmI&t=13s

[eddy]

Sent this to Rosie
If you connect Snowy 2 to the Sydney to Melbourne via Canberra and Albury Japanese SC maglev tunnel with HVDC cables it would earn an extra $12b p/a while only costing $60b to $100b to drive it in three years while removing trucks and planes between Sydney/ Melbourne.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JH9-0AbR_1U

[eddy]

Greenpeace said on TV that they plan to step up protests on fossil fuels and I think the federal government can cut a deal they will not protest for three years while the Japanese SC maglev is built removing trucks and planes between Sydney and Melbourne.

[eddy]

As surface drilling is so expensive and unreliable I suggest the double shield hardrock TBM are all equipped with the ability to probe in front and predrive grout where needed.

This is important because a dead straight tunnel between passing stations will encounter different types of ground the TBM will encounter.

Australia, China, Japan, and East Timor will learn much about tunnels while improving the standard of living with increased productivity while making the planet greener.

PS.
With 1,000 FIFO East Timorese workers competing from the 30 launch site compounds and able to go home when they drive 200m plus Australian and Chinese universities going from site to site we will learn a lot.

[eddy]

I sent an email to the Japanese prime minister yesterday saying the proven SC maglev should be showcased between Sydney and Melbourne so any big cities 1,000 kilometers apart can use it.

[eddy]

If Australia balances our trade with China by buying 60 double shield hardrock TBM to quote, Neville Chamberlain we will have peace in our time, but just in case if we buy either Brazil's KC-390 or Japan's Kawasaki C-2 that can deliver FIFO workers and machinery near the 30 launch site compounds painted non threatening white but with people up to speed on how to use them in case of disaster or war I believe it would be a good investment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7KkNRmIj0g&t=2s

[eddy]

At present bulk freight goes by train with only 1% of pallatised freight the rest goes by 700,000 B doubles per year because it is faster and cheaper than the train and even if you half the time it would still go by road as it can pick up and deliver.

Unless it is a Japanese SC maglev that can take overnight container trains eight hours faster for $2,000 per container with daytime fares killing planes on that route while making $12b p/a connecting Snowy 2 to HVDC cables in the tunnel making 100% p/a profit it will not work.

Most people think you can just make the trains faster and get the freight but it is all time sensitive and if rail wants to try and force pallatised freight onto rail the consumer will just pay more.

[eddy]

Berlin wants to use EMS with only 1 cm clearance like the Chinese airport train but the guideway costs too much to build and maintain. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... t-solution

[eddy]

Hyperloop stopped https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FqSCdAnJjg

I doubt if this guy was even born when in 1997 the Japanese SC maglev was proven the equivalent of over 80 times around the world with passengers and all we have to do is use modern double shield hardrock TBM to eliminate trucks and planes on that route with overnight container trains.

There is twice the maintenance with wheels and half the speed.

[eddy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JH9-0AbR_1U&t=1s


At 5.35 Rosie said it had cost $1b to install the HVDC cable in the tunnel with 100% return in one year for 50 km therefore connecting Snowy 2 would earn $12b p/a so adding the $2b p/a from the overnight container trains and $2b p/a from daytime fares there is no way planes and trucks can compete with the Japanese SC maglev monopoly.

[eddy]

This is the email I sent today to Safe Work Australia.

Hi

What I propose will ensure peace in the South China Sea while eliminating trucks and planes between Sydney and Melbourne.

If 60 Chinese double shield hardrock TBM can be launched from 30 launch shaft sites using FIFO workers then when driven a proven Japanese SC maglev can be installed so Snowy 2 can earn $12,000,000,000 p/a by connecting the HVDC cables in the tunnel with $2,000,000,000 p/a eliminating trucks and $2,000,000,000 p/a from daytime fares killing planes on that route.

As the single 14 metre diameter tunnel would have to be in a straight line between passing stations at Canberra and Albury they must be able to probe ahead and predrive grout where needed rather than unreliable surface drilling.

Assuming they may use up to 10 mw each would it alright in good conditions to stop the TBM if needed

Regards Eddy Barnett.
mistereddb@gmail.com

[eddy]

I watched this this morning and with trouble in the red sea and Panama canal they are looking at other options like fast trains and the underground Japanese SC maglev may kill trucks and planes across America.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2v321xc90RA

[eddy]

Evidently HSR from Sydney to Melbourne costs up to $200,000,000 per kilometer and has to be subsidized but there are still an unknown number of Australians want it.

The Parrahub to Melbourne via Canberra and Albury tunnel would earn $2,000,000,000 p/a from daytime fares, $2,000,000,000 p/a from overnight container trains and $12,000,000,000 p/a from HVDC cables in the tunnel so it stacks up well if there are 30 launch shafts driving in opposite directions with 60 double shield hardrock Chinese TBM.

To encourage the 30 small private companies perhaps if each one is offered $5,000,000,000 on condition they complete their 20 kilometers in two years.

As we still do not know how many people would want it I suggest a referendum like the Swiss had.

[eddy]

As there has been much talk about tax today it may encourage FIFO teams to only have to pay tax to their home countries.

[PG1]

Eddy,

Where in Sydney does anyone currently drink recycled water? - see extract from your posting on 25 January 2024:
The overnight train and daytime fares are nothing compared to the HVDC cables income and as it goes directly under Snowy 2 it could also have a water pipe to save us drinking recycled water in Sydney.

FIFO
You had at one stage indicated that you wanted workers from Timor Leste to be engaged in the building, but your latest comment now opens to door to everyone around the world. Why has this changed?

Launch sites
The 30 or so launch sites for your machines that you want those airplanes to fly into are for those international workers?
International airports require the provision of Customs, AFP etc.
And before you riposte that overseas workers can fulfill all customs requirements overseas, they cannot.
You previously reported that the work was to be undertaken by unemployed workers.

Your constant changes do not, in my view, inspire confidence in the veracity of any project management.

People will support proposals if they are properly consistent and thought through with little variations.
Constant changes "water the slurry".

Final
Is there available a final finished project plan (even in dot point form) that sets out your proposal.
It is difficult to follow with all the changes made, so a finished project plan would assist readers of the current
proposal
timeline
machinery
employment
costings
planned route
benefits
SWOT analysis
funding models
The plan can be changed, but as one document interested readers would be able to quickly see the currently timeline and proposal along with any latest changes (which would no doubt include reasons for changes).


How many airports will the project require to meet your plan below (your posting of 24 January)
If Australia balances our trade with China by buying 60 double shield hardrock TBM to quote, Neville Chamberlain we will have peace in our time, but just in case if we buy either Brazil's KC-390 or Japan's Kawasaki C-2 that can deliver FIFO workers and machinery near the 30 launch site compounds painted non threatening white but with people up to speed on how to use them in case of disaster or war I believe it would be a good investment.

In New South Wales, there have been numerous sites “chosen/selected/submitted/proposed” as the second Sydney airport so I hold my breath that in any time soon that airports will be built along the planned route. Your 30 sites along the route from Sydney to Melbourne include some in remote/regional areas and in some cases, mountainous areas. Who will pay for their construction? Could you identify where those locations will be?

Proposed second Sydney airport locations have included:
Badgerys Creek
Bankstown
Bringelly
Canberra
Duffy's Forest
Galston
Goulburn
Holsworthy army base
Londonderry
Long Point (western edge of Holsworthy Army base)
Lucas Heights
Marsden Park
Richmond
Rouse Hill
Scheyville (near Vineyard)
Somersby
Sydney Offshore (airport built on piles about 500m offshore at Malabar connected to the land via a tunnel) (yes, truly!!– this was proposed in March 1997)
Towra Point (near Kurnell)
Warnervale (near Wyong)
Wattamolla (Royal National Park)
Wilton
Wyong


Your reply
I would appreciate that any reply be a reply to the actual issues raised by me and not a reply that goes to other sub-topics or new topics please.
This would ensure that the discussion stays focused on the latest issues raised by you and do not diverge.
Lets finish your latest discussion before considering newer or revised issues.

Personal
I actually have a personal connection to Scheyville.
My parents (born and married in Ireland) came to Australia in the 1950's and stayed for a time at the Scheyville Migrant camp and later settled in Kellyville.

[eddy]

PG1

The ABC said about recycled water. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-15/ ... /103311158

As Parrahub to Melbourne via Canberra and Albury has to be driven in two years I did not think the East Timorese would have sufficient FIFO teams so I changed it to a worldwide competition with sufficient profit to encourage the 30 private companies approximately every 20 kilometers apart along a straight line between stations.

I am sorry for all the changes but some have been necessary and the C-2 Kawasaki and the KC—390 EMBRAER https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7KkNRmIj0g painted non aggressive white can land next to the launch shaft compound with men and materials and if Australia really wants it to happen then I am sure they could put permanent customs guys there.

Universities from all over the world will come to see what works and what doesn’t and a lot will be learned from the competition between companies and this includes many of the questions you raise.

I agree that some sites would be more difficult than others but with a lot of profit for each company I think the fairest way is first in best dressed.

Thanks for all the questions many of which will be worked out as we go if it attracts sufficient investment and the fed wants it

[eddy]

We need to buy the 60 double shield hardrock TBM off China now to balance our trade with them because if they fall over economically so will we.

[eddy]

Thinking abut all the bells and whistles on Snowy 2 so perhaps international FIFO teams could have a more simple compound and even pay tax to their own countries as long as they complied with Australian wages and conditions to encourage them to participate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6m9Sr_gGlo

[eddy]

Rather than fighting the farmers and greenies why not put the HVDC cables in the Sydney to Melbourne via Canberra and Albury tunnel that goes directly under Snowy 2.

[eddy]

The Chinese unemployed graduates is huge and there are two lessons here for Australia because training people does not cut it on its own you have to try new things to learn.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaw-LiP46PI