Tangara upgrade contract awarded to UGL

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From Twitter:

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[Stonesourscotty]

The two Led fitted Tangaras are at Blacktown Platform 3 with Auburn as the destination on the screen. The ex g Set is leading.

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[boronia]

Almost 3 years since the last post here.

What is the status of this program?

We've just had the Minister promising that their replacements will be built locally.

[Swift]

I miss the days when we built the best trains in Sydney. Granville specifically.

[tonyp]

Almost 3 years since the last post here.

What is the status of this program?

We've just had the Minister promising that their replacements will be built locally.

I think it's completed. It's no longer listed in TfNSW projects.

[Transtopic]

Almost 3 years since the last post here.

What is the status of this program?

We've just had the Minister promising that their replacements will be built locally.

It wasn't the Minister (Elliott) who promised that Tangara replacements would be built locally, but Labor Opposition Leader Chris Minns at the party's State Conference, if they win the forthcoming election. I could be wrong, but that suggests to me that the Tangara upgrade has been quietly dropped by the current government. I doubt if it was ever completed, let alone substantially commenced. There hadn't been any suggestion up until now that the Tangaras would be replaced with new trains, as the upgrade was supposed to give them a life extension. Is anyone aware of what is actually happening?

David Elliott did say that he wanted a further order of additional new River class ferries to be redesigned and built locally, but was overruled by Treasurer Matt Kean, which is no surprise.

[tonyp]

The work performed appears to be summarised here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_Tr ... _the_2010s

[Linto63]

I think it's completed. It's no longer listed in TfNSW projects.

Often a sign that is has quietly been dropped.

It wasn't the Minister (Elliott) who promised that Tangara replacements would be built locally, but Labor Opposition Leader Chris Minns at the party's State Conference, if they win the forthcoming election.

More a case of Minns playing to the gallery, than a definite decision.

I doubt if it was ever completed, let alone substantially commenced.

With Tangaras still not having working destination displays, passenger information displays or CCTV, if it has been completed it was watered down.

The work performed appears to be summarised here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_Tr ... _the_2010s

A largely uncited Wikipedia article, hmmm.

[1whoknows]

Tangaras are Ghastly rubbish trains with their horrible plastic windows. If thats the best local manufacturing could do its understandable that we went overseas. Instead of refubishing them create a new breakwater somewhere.

[Aurora]

It is ongoing, but as suggested has been watered down. They found it too complex to do the full upgrade. If I recall, it is being done in house now.

They are slowly working through them. To the travelling public, the indicators are selective purple seat fabric and the extra cabinets in vestibules.

[Campbelltown busboy]

I miss the days when we built the best trains in Sydney. Granville specifically.

It could of been that Commonwealth Engineering closed because there wasn't much left when it comes to building trains and having PMC CCMC/Custom Coaches Ansair and Smithfield Bus and Coach to compete against when it came to negotiations for DGT/PTC/UTA bus body contracts throughout the 60s 70s and 80s

[Swift]

If Nicholas the Grinder hadn't won in 88 (largely by attrition due to the 86 abandonment by the mighty Neville Wran the father of NSW) and started cancelling new trains and buses, we'd still have Comeng along with the Newcastle boys we later became dependent on to build trains here. Liberals spoil the good things we have here for the sake of their belief in minimal government expenditure.

[tonyp]

If Nicholas the Grinder hadn't won in 88 (largely by attrition due to the 86 abandonment by the mighty Neville Wran the father of NSW) and started cancelling new trains and buses, we'd still have Comeng along with the Newcastle boys we later became dependent on to build trains here. Liberals spoil the good things we have here for the sake of their belief in minimal government expenditure.

To quote TfNSW's website:

Right now the NSW Government is delivering the largest transport infrastructure program this nation has ever seen - $76.7 billion of investment over four years for game-changing projects like Sydney Metro, light rail, motorways and road upgrades that will shape NSW cities, centres and communities for generations to come.

I guess that's minimal expenditure compared to the Pentagon. Labor is currently campaigning the line that the Coalition has done nothing for transport during its term. No reference of course to the record of the previous Labor government.

You do realise that a lot of the things that Wran's government implemented were initiated and set in motion by the previous Coalition government? Labor achieved some further things later during that government. Even the next Coalition government had a few transport achievements.

[Linto63]

Tangaras are Ghastly rubbish trains with their horrible plastic windows.

Tangaras were designed by UK design firm DCA Design that used the same window design in some 1986 built prototypes for London Underground's 1992 stock.'The design was not repeated in London, with the angled sections just being dirt collectors from tunnel walls.

If Nicholas the Grinder hadn't won in 88 (largely by attrition due to the 86 abandonment by the mighty Neville Wran the father of NSW) and started cancelling new trains and buses, we'd still have Comeng along with the Newcastle boys we later became dependent on to build trains here.

Doubt it, Comeng was pretty much done. All the Greiner government did was cancel 36 carriages. A trickling of orders was unlikely to save the Sydney plant from closure, No bus orders were cancelled, but some practical steps were taken, e.g. not sending all buses for a mid-life rebuild at Chullora as modern buses didn't need it.

Right now the NSW Government is delivering the largest transport infrastructure program this nation has ever seen - $76.7 billion of investment over four years for game-changing projects like Sydney Metro, light rail, motorways and road upgrades that will shape NSW cities, centres and communities for generations to come.

PR spin. Most of the spend has been on roads, which get flogged off to Transurban which we then get to pay for with above inflation toll increases because the government keeps getting its pants pulled down.

You do realise that a lot of the things that Wran's government implemented were initiated and set in motion by the previous Coalition government? Labor achieved some further things later during that government. Even the next Coalition government had a few transport achievements.

Every government get to claim the credit for things initiated by its predecessors, including the current government. While those of a political persuasion one way or the other will always see their party as being the only one that delivers, a more objective view suggests that there have been good and bad governments on both sides.

[Aurora]

Tony is right, the current Metro spend in particular is unrivalled in this state, they are lucky they even have the money, only because of the privatisation and recycling schemes.

[Swift]

Selling off of assets that the Queenslanders prevented Campbell from doing.

[Campbelltown busboy]

Why did the Sydney Tangaras last but the 4D Tangara that was modified for the Melbourne network fail

[BanksfielderIdiot823]

Why did the Sydney Tangaras last but the 4D Tangara that was modified for the Melbourne network fail

Two reasons:

1. Because the Victorian Government determined it to be too costly to upgrade the whole bunch of infrastructure to cater for the 4D (only the City Loop was built with enough room to take deckers, whereas Melbourne’s greater rail network, like those in the other capitals outside of Sydney, were mainly built to cater for single-deckers. Putting the perspective on things, they were only allowed to run just one of the four groups of lines.), so they decided not to order any more, and therefore we received the Siemens and X’Traps instead later.

2. Nearly every time the 4D was out in service was plagued with problems, the train just kept on breaking down, it kept having to be towed out of service by a Comeng, and its breakdowns were causing a lot of dramas for the rail network (all this was happening before the complete disaster that was Connex Melbourne). So of course the 4D was going to have a short life.

[tonyp]

1. Because the Victorian Government determined it to be too costly to upgrade the whole bunch of infrastructure to cater for the 4D (only the City Loop was built with enough room to take deckers, whereas Melbourne’s greater rail network, like those in the other capitals outside of Sydney, were mainly built to cater for single-deckers. Putting the perspective on things, they were only allowed to run just one of the four groups of lines.), so they decided not to order any more, and therefore we received the Siemens and X’Traps instead later.

2. Nearly every time the 4D was out in service was plagued with problems, the train just kept on breaking down, it kept having to be towed out of service by a Comeng, and its breakdowns were causing a lot of dramas for the rail network (all this was happening before the complete disaster that was Connex Melbourne). So of course the 4D was going to have a short life.

A third reason, outlined by John Dunn in his Comeng histories, was that the double decks had longer dwell times and, when mixed with single deck trains, the 4Ds were delaying the latter. The 4Ds were an experimental train to trial the feasibility of double decks to increase capacity. When the issue of the poor dwell times emerged during the trial, the Victorian government commissioned John Dunn to design a double deck train with three doors per car. Drawings of this design are featured in the Comeng history. After reviewing this design and considering the other issues at points 1 and 2, Victoria gave up the idea. At least it was an informative direct comparison between the merits of double decks vs single decks side by side.

[hornetfig]

I think it's completed. It's no longer listed in TfNSW projects.

TTU is dead. Because it turns out no two Tangaras are quite alike, electrically especially. Seems they were built like WWII German tanks…

That’s why the ALP can talk about Tangara replacements - it’s literally TfNSW (open secret) policy to do minimum work on them now and get rid of them as they approach 40 years old.

[Swift]

They still feel as modern as the other post K and C set stock. They looked a lot better without the yellowing of the fronts. Their slabbed fronts devoid of any sophisticated shape are showing their 1980s origins, but If left alone, they would still look quite smart.

Speaking of sophisticated fronts that actually have a real design to them, are the Ms hanging about indefinitely?
Will they ever be Hornsby based? Even the elusive (to me) C sets got a go on the main northern line -after they lost their exciting features.

[Campbelltown busboy]

The front of the T set driving trailers where originally fully black where the front of the G set driving trailers had those orange sections between the coupler and the windscreen then they painted the front of all Tangaras yellow

[Swift]

It was an interesting era with the G sets. It felt like getting on an upgraded Tangara with reversible seats that the others should have featured in the first place, and made for a novelty traveling to Gosford in them.

[Swift]

Here's a photo I posted from 1990 still featuring the red and orange SRA stripes before they were soon changed to blue and yellow Cityrail stripes.
viewtopic.php?t=90466

[Campbelltown busboy]

Here's a photo I posted from 1990 still featuring the red and orange SRA stripes before they were soon changed to blue and yellow Cityrail stripes.
viewtopic.php?t=90466

When did the Cityrail rebrand happened and exactly how many T sets where delivered to the SRA pre rebrand