Sydney Metro - Tallawong to Bankstown

[Randomness]

I’d say most passengers tapped when I travelled on a Friday around 4pm on the current closure. The bus got crowded, though there was one running behind it with passengers for some reason wanting to crowd onto the first bus. Most stops did not have marshalls which could have alleviated this, though I’ve never seen them properly perform timing regulation even if a bus was running early.

Offering a free service in my opinion, would be the best ‘apology’ for the closure, though this may have the adverse effect of creating more crowding for buses. In Victoria, during the level crossing removal project, passengers were given cookies and cupcakes and free travel as compensation for a 12 week closure (you can watch Taitset’s video on the issue). Maybe this’ll keep the commuters happy

[Glen]

That second last paragraph has me puzzled.

It's an error, Erskineville and St Peters will be served by T4 services making additional stops. A shake up of the line numbers is on the cards, with one suggestion being that the T3 designation will be used for all stops services from Hurstville that will operate via the City Circle in lieu of the Eastern Suburbs line and T6 resurrected for the Bankstown to Lidcombe service.

I hadn't realised Illawarra trains were going back to the City Circle. Aren't we trying to sectorise the network?

[Linto63]

There are a few theories as to what might happen with the available paths that will become available on the City Circle, none have been officially confirmed.

[Campbelltown busboy]

Here's a idea East Hills to city via Sydenham all stops then you fix the Erskenville St Peters situation along with bringing Tempe in as a regular T8 scheduled station as there are two unused platforms there and bringing platform 1 at East Hills back to regular timetable service

[grog]

There hasn’t been any official suggestion of Hurstville services returning to the city circle, so not sure where that idea has come from.

[Randomness]

A friend of mine has pointed out that the future trackwork calendar (going up to May) shows the 6/7th of April as the last day for Metro works with nothing after that.

[Glen]

I wouldn't necessarily read too much into that.

[Campbelltown busboy]

There hasn’t been any official suggestion of Hurstville services returning to the city circle, so not sure where that idea has come from.

That idea is one of the thousands of on the spot thought bubble ideas that randomly pop into my head

[Aurora]

There are a few theories as to what might happen with the available paths that will become available on the City Circle, none have been officially confirmed.

City Circle will have no new overall paths, a realignment is set to provide services to Liverpool via Regents Park and an uplift in services via the Airport.

[Campbelltown busboy]

There are a few theories as to what might happen with the available paths that will become available on the City Circle, none have been officially confirmed.

City Circle will have no new overall paths, a realignment is set to provide services to Liverpool via Regents Park and an uplift in services via the Airport.

Do they still have that shunting siding at Kingsgrove or did they remove it when Kingsgrove lost it's terminating services then there is platform 1 at East Hills or maybe even terminating services at Campbelltown during the day or a Leppington via airport service could be options

[Glen]

According to Google satellite view, yes Kingsgrove does.

[Transtopic]

There are a few theories as to what might happen with the available paths that will become available on the City Circle, none have been officially confirmed.

City Circle will have no new overall paths, a realignment is set to provide services to Liverpool via Regents Park and an uplift in services via the Airport.

That's correct. The proposed operating pattern foreshadowed by the previous government after the T3 Bankstown Line is closed down for conversion is as follows, and as far as I can tell, the present government hasn't changed anything.

https://i.imgur.com/1jjS0ps.png

All T8 services will run to the City Circle via the Airport Line at an increased frequency of 18 tph and will be matched by 18 tph on T2 via Town Hall, which will include an additional 4 tph from Liverpool via Regents Park. There will be a shuttle service between Lidcombe and Bankstown and direct services from Liverpool to Bankstown will no longer operate, requiring interchange at Regents Park.

With the completion of the Hurstville and Erskineville crossover projects, the Hurstville services to Bondi Junction will switch from the Illawarra Local at Hurstville (west platforms 1 & 2) to the Illawarra Main (east platforms 3 & 4) and vice versa with the semi-express Cronulla/Waterfall services, which will merge with the Hurstville services at Wolli Creek on the Main to Bondi Junction at an increased frequency for T4 to 20 tph, which will include Tempe, Sydenham, St Peters and Erskineville.

SCO Intercity services will also switch from the Main to the Local in tandem with the Cronulla/Waterfall services, but will no longer travel to Bondi Junction and will instead travel direct to Sydney Terminal via the new Erskineville crossover to the Illawarra Dive.

[boxythingy]

Some would say that Bankstown metro will have an impairing impact on the suburban heavy rail network, but if the remainder of the T3 line between Lidcombe and Liverpool exists, and there will still be rail tracks between Wolli Creek and Redfern via Sydenham, T8 Trains can still redivert via these areas to maintain service right? Or will those tracks now be too congested, say if there's a blockage at say, Mascot.

[Randomness]

It’s more about lacking flexibility during trackwork, such as when the Lidcombe to Strathfield section closes and trains divert via the Lidcombe triangle. While you could run buses from Olympic Park to Lidcombe, I had the displeasure of taking one and having to wait for 3 full buses before the line cleared enough.

Regional trains (past the mountains and down south) also take the T3 when the Main South or New South close. It probably wouldn’t matter though as during Main North trackwork, passengers from Sydney take a coach to Broadmeadow to change for their train. The same could work with terminating trains at Canpbelltown or Blacktown and running connecting coaches.

I don’t think capacity would be too much of an issue as Lidcombe has 4 tracks (T2 services could divert to share platforms 1/2 with the T1, while diverted T8 services could use 3/4).

I can’t remember specifically what happened, but T8 services did get routed via the T3 during a blockage and that ended up with congestion back to Campsie on the T3, so I can’t imagine diverting through Lidcombe could be any worse.

[Linto63]

According to Google satellite view, yes Kingsgrove does.

Google maps is not reliable for up to date information as it is not in real time but a snapshot. For example the view of Bankstown station dates back to before construction of the metro platform commenced, which would make it several years old. But yes, the Kingsrove headshunt does remain in place.

[Swift]

. For example the view of Bankstown station dates back to before construction of the metro platform commenced, which would make it several years old. But yes, the Kingsrove headshunt does remain in place.

Shouldn't be long before a new shot is uploaded.

[tonyp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PClKUXkGWdk

[Transtopic]

Some would say that Bankstown metro will have an impairing impact on the suburban heavy rail network, but if the remainder of the T3 line between Lidcombe and Liverpool exists, and there will still be rail tracks between Wolli Creek and Redfern via Sydenham, T8 Trains can still redivert via these areas to maintain service right? Or will those tracks now be too congested, say if there's a blockage at say, Mascot.

It would be problematic on T2, especially during the peak, but it should be OK to divert via Sydenham on the Local as it will only be running the limited number of SCO Intercity and South Regional services to Sydney Terminal. If the Airport Line is blocked or closed for trackwork T8 could run to both the CC and ST.

[Bus 400]

If there's an issue on the Sydney Trains network or trackwork, what's to stop them diverting trains to terminate at Bankstown or Sydenham or North Sydney & direct passengers to the Metro? Same if there's an issue on the Metro network.

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[swtt]

That second last paragraph has me puzzled.

It's an error, Erskineville and St Peters will be served by T4 services making additional stops. A shake up of the line numbers is on the cards, with one suggestion being that the T3 designation will be used for all stops services from Hurstville that will operate via the City Circle in lieu of the Eastern Suburbs line and T6 resurrected for the Bankstown to Lidcombe service.

So T3 = Hurstville -> City Circle -> Liverpool via Regents Park?

[alleve]

It's an error, Erskineville and St Peters will be served by T4 services making additional stops. A shake up of the line numbers is on the cards, with one suggestion being that the T3 designation will be used for all stops services from Hurstville that will operate via the City Circle in lieu of the Eastern Suburbs line and T6 resurrected for the Bankstown to Lidcombe service.

So T3 = Hurstville -> City Circle -> Liverpool via Regents Park?

The T3 won't go to Hurstville. No idea what Linto63 is talking about

[Transport Buff]

When Sydney Metro between Chatswood & Sydenham opens later this year, an interesting travel time comparison I noticed...

Central to Sydenham
Sydney Metro - 7 mins - 1 stop (Waterloo)
T4 - 7 mins - 1 stop (Redfern)
T3 - 10-12 mins - 3 stops (Redfern, Erskinevillle, St Peters)

Essentially, for commuters travelling between Central & Sydenham, no improvement to travel times... (in terms of quickest journey time)

Of course, with the current T3 vs T4 situation, this doesnt account for which train turns up first, or walking distance to platforms

Food for thought...

[Swift]

Is discussing with a neighbour who regularly travels from the central coast to North Sydney whether it would be better to stay on the train beyond Hornby and change at Epping for the metro to Victoria Cross now. VC is closer to Cammeray where she walks to.

[Transtopic]

This latest update confirms that T8 services via Sydenham will continue to service St Peters and Erskineville in a staged process before they are permanently transferred to the T4 and Illawarra Line, although in the absence of T3, it will temporarily become an all day service to both stations when it previously alternated between them in the peak. That also confirms the ultimate operating pattern proposed after the Bankstown Line conversion with all T8 services operating via the Airport Line and St Peters and Erskineville transferred to T4 in an all stations pattern on the Illawarra Main from Wolli Creek to Bondi Junction. SCO Intercity services will ultimately be transferred to the Illawarra Local (Western track pair) from Hurstville to Sydney Terminal via the new Erskineville crossovers and Illawarra Dive instead of to Bondi Junction, which will free up more paths for T4 (15 to 2O tph). This is with the current signalling regime and will be further increased to 24 tph with the digital signalling upgrade.

https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/projec ... e-services

[tonyp]

Is discussing with a neighbour who regularly travels from the central coast to North Sydney whether it would be better to stay on the train beyond Hornby and change at Epping for the metro to Victoria Cross now. VC is closer to Cammeray where she walks to.

An advantage of the metro lines will be that they pass through the middle of major centres rather than traverse the edge in North Sydney, Sydney and Parramatta. Epping to Victoria Cross will be 21 minutes, Chatswood to Victoria Cross 6 minutes. She'll have to calculate the times from Central Coast to Epping or to Chatswood to work out the best combination.