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Yes you are correct.
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jibb wrote:Yes you are correct.
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Also the 650 bus went from this terminus at Glen Osmond to Glenelg via Cross Rd, Marion Rd, Bray St and the current 190 route. The 650 and 652 (Mitcham to Glenelg) routes were replaced by the 190 route not long after Torrens Transit took over the North-South Contract from Serco.
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TT wrote:145 (and 15) turned right from Gilles Rd into Portrush Rd, left Greenhill, right Stuart, left Dulwich, right Fullarton, then Dequetteville Tce and Rundle Rd to city.
The right turn onto Portrush became too dangerous, so for a while I think it was the 148 that went left Portrush, into Cross Rd, right Duthy St.
Gilles Rd is now only serviced by a school bus run (for St Ignatius College, Athelstone).
FYI the 145 timetable from 01/2008:
http://web.archive.org/web/200807230918 ... ttable.pdf

And routemap:
http://web.archive.org/web/200807230919 ... utemap.pdf

Can't find the 148 timetable on the wayback machine, but it ran at 2 hourly intervals to begin with, later reduced to 2 round trips a day before being cut completely.
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Does anyone know when the l94's in the Adelaide hills are going to retire and when they do, what buses will replace them?
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I have heard rumours of them potentially being prematurely withdrawn. But unless this is actually the case, they should last until at least 2027, excluding the 4 units (3269, 3270, 3310, 3311) that were built before 2002.

Not sure about the extra ones that were built at random intervals from 2003 to 2007.

There is also the risk of expensive unjustifiable repairs that may spell the end for any that fall in this category closer to their retirement age.
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TA3001 wrote: Wed May 27, 2020 4:43 pm I have heard rumours of them potentially being prematurely withdrawn. But unless this is actually the case, they should last until at least 2027, excluding the 4 units (3269, 3270, 3310, 3311) that were built before 2002.

Not sure about the extra ones that were built at random intervals from 2003 to 2007.

There is also the risk of expensive unjustifiable repairs that may spell the end for any that fall in this category closer to their retirement age.
Was actually thinking this the other day when I went up to the hills. Glad they will overall be around for a while yet as I really enjoy riding these buses when heading to the hills
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I'd prefer to see some MAN NL232s, 18.280s, or Mercedes-Benz O405s doing 864s or T840s over diesel Scanias any day.

At the very least, it would enable through running with 167/168s.
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Does anyone know what the 2571 from Lonsdale depot is doing up in the hills? Saw it running an 883 this morning.
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T3331 wrote: Tue Jun 09, 2020 6:56 pm Does anyone know what the 2571 from Lonsdale depot is doing up in the hills? Saw it running an 883 this morning.
Most likely being serviced at Aldgate. A number of Lonsdale buses have been serviced at Aldgate in the last few months including 2585, 2522, 2571, and an NL202
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Lt. Commander Data wrote: Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:52 pm
T3331 wrote: Tue Jun 09, 2020 6:56 pm Does anyone know what the 2571 from Lonsdale depot is doing up in the hills? Saw it running an 883 this morning.
Most likely being serviced at Aldgate. A number of Lonsdale buses have been serviced at Aldgate in the last few months including 2585, 2522, 2571, and an NL202
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Lt. Commander Data wrote: Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:52 pm
T3331 wrote: Tue Jun 09, 2020 6:56 pm Does anyone know what the 2571 from Lonsdale depot is doing up in the hills? Saw it running an 883 this morning.
Most likely being serviced at Aldgate. A number of Lonsdale buses have been serviced at Aldgate in the last few months including 2585, 2522, 2571, and an NL202
Is that because so many are failing these days and Lonsdale can't cope?
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Question: Does varying from the published route where there are no stops really matter?

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The 222 and other Main North Road buses has the published route on the timetable heading North from Stop 6 O'Connell Street as being along Prospect Road, then turn right on to Fitzroy Terrace, then left on to Main North Road to Stop 7 Medindie. At the moment roadworks on Prospect Road through the parklands make access to the Bus Only lane on Western side of Prospect Road at Fitzroy Terrace difficult. However excluding that, I've found that some buses go via the "official" route and some turn right from O'Connell Street to Main North Road direct. My question is, does it matter? Does the contracted company or SAPTA mind or care?
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A friend claims they saw a "Not in Service" bus with some sort of lightweight steel or aluminium structure on the top of the bus about 1-2m above the buses usual height. The bus was seen not on a bus route. I didn't see it and presume it is some sort of loading gauge measuring device, or alternatively the bus collected someone's pergola :). The only explanation I can think of is that a new bus contractor is checking out connecting roads between routes for suitability e.g. a cross suburban run from the suburban terminus of one route end to another. Or is there some other explanation? What was happening?
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It would’ve been 1734 bus, a retired MAN midi, that is used to check overhead clearances for the two (normally, currently 1) double deckers. I think it’s now stored at Aldgate: used to be at Mile End.
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TT wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 1:21 pm It would’ve been 1734 bus, a retired MAN midi, that is used to check overhead clearances for the two (normally, currently 1) double deckers. I think it’s now stored at Aldgate: used to be at Mile End.
Yes, have seen it around Aldgate/Stirling a few times.
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softgrow wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 12:48 pm The 222 and other Main North Road buses has the published route on the timetable heading North from Stop 6 O'Connell Street as being along Prospect Road, then turn right on to Fitzroy Terrace, then left on to Main North Road to Stop 7 Medindie. At the moment roadworks on Prospect Road through the parklands make access to the Bus Only lane on Western side of Prospect Road at Fitzroy Terrace difficult. However excluding that, I've found that some buses go via the "official" route and some turn right from O'Connell Street to Main North Road direct. My question is, does it matter? Does the contracted company or SAPTA mind or care?
I can't say I've ever seen a 222 use that part of Prospect Road, but 209Fs do. I've heard that not completing a route causes some kind of "alarm bell" to ring in the system, but I've observed some drivers on express runs calling their depot to get approval for a route deviation due to traffic congestion from time to time.
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I've caught a T721X that has gone by Goodwood Rd, and there's also an occasion where an enthusiast driver went by what I think was Winston Avenue doing a similar run when there were bad traffic jams all over the place, and overtook services departing 15-20 minutes prior.

I have also seen the occasional 254X use Regency and Churchill Rds in lieu of Torrens Rd.

I wonder if the current express runs that use Goodwood Rd (without stopping) will be diverted along South Rd when the upgrade is completed, as it would probably be a few minutes quicker. If it is ok for the 209F to use Main North Rd, then I can't see an issue with a handful of TT buses using South Rd to avoid the Ayliffes Rd car park.
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softgrow wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 12:48 pm The 222 and other Main North Road buses has the published route on the timetable heading North from Stop 6 O'Connell Street as being along Prospect Road, then turn right on to Fitzroy Terrace, then left on to Main North Road to Stop 7 Medindie. At the moment roadworks on Prospect Road through the parklands make access to the Bus Only lane on Western side of Prospect Road at Fitzroy Terrace difficult. However excluding that, I've found that some buses go via the "official" route and some turn right from O'Connell Street to Main North Road direct. My question is, does it matter? Does the contracted company or SAPTA mind or care?
You'll probably find it's because if the bus has to stop at stop 6 outside the Piccadilly Theatre, it might be difficult to get to the right lane to turn to Main North Rd, so they can use Prospect Rd & then turn right if needed. Sometimes traffic can be quite heavy on Main North Rd through the parklands, at these times it can be quicker to use Prospect Rd & the bus light to turn right then left.
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Diesel_MAN wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 8:42 pm
softgrow wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 12:48 pm The 222 and other Main North Road buses has the published route on the timetable heading North from Stop 6 O'Connell Street as being along Prospect Road, then turn right on to Fitzroy Terrace, then left on to Main North Road to Stop 7 Medindie. At the moment roadworks on Prospect Road through the parklands make access to the Bus Only lane on Western side of Prospect Road at Fitzroy Terrace difficult. However excluding that, I've found that some buses go via the "official" route and some turn right from O'Connell Street to Main North Road direct. My question is, does it matter? Does the contracted company or SAPTA mind or care?
I can't say I've ever seen a 222 use that part of Prospect Road, but 209Fs do. I've heard that not completing a route causes some kind of "alarm bell" to ring in the system, but I've observed some drivers on express runs calling their depot to get approval for a route deviation due to traffic congestion from time to time.
The 222 has no stops between the end of O'Connell and Stop 7 so it doesn't matter if we use the B light at Prospect/Fitzroy or turn onto MNR from O'Connell. Drivers choice dependent on traffic conditions.
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Skexis wrote: Sat Jun 13, 2020 4:44 pm
Diesel_MAN wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 8:42 pm

I can't say I've ever seen a 222 use that part of Prospect Road, but 209Fs do. I've heard that not completing a route causes some kind of "alarm bell" to ring in the system, but I've observed some drivers on express runs calling their depot to get approval for a route deviation due to traffic congestion from time to time.
The 222 has no stops between the end of O'Connell and Stop 7 so it doesn't matter if we use the B light at Prospect/Fitzroy or turn onto MNR from O'Connell. Drivers choice dependent on traffic conditions.
TA3001 wrote: Fri Jun 12, 2020 12:00 am I've caught a T721X that has gone by Goodwood Rd, and there's also an occasion where an enthusiast driver went by what I think was Winston Avenue doing a similar run when there were bad traffic jams all over the place, and overtook services departing 15-20 minutes prior.
Goodwood Rd was always a bit quicker than South Rd but now the exit from Ayliffes has changed I don't think there's much difference. Also I once took a T721X down Anzac and Brighton Rds due to a traffic accident causing chaos at the South/Ayliffes junction several years back.
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Can anyone give me a history of the 254 route? I'm planning on catching it to University next semester and it'd be cool to know some background. Maybe if it used to have different route variations or ran down different roads?
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mmosca447 wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2020 7:04 pm Can anyone give me a history of the 254 route? I'm planning on catching it to University next semester and it'd be cool to know some background. Maybe if it used to have different route variations or ran down different roads?
Like many of today's bus routes that run to and from the City it was originally a tram route
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It was the number 4 bus route, city to Port Adelaide via North Adelaide, Hawker St, South Rd, Torrens Rd , Hanson Rd, Grand Jn Rd, Commercial Rd. Arndale didn’t exist until the 1960s. And no express version like today’s 254 X.
Number 3 bus route was the same but went via Addison Rd instead of Hanson Rd.
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Does anyone know if it is possible to see the new and scrapped bus stops of the new bus network or has that not become public yet?
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