Immigration debate

[rtt_rules]

So lets dig into this.

A few facts, Australian data
2024 - Births 292,000, Deaths 186,000, on surface, we birth ~120,000 more people than die

But its not that simple

The Birth rate is down to 1.50 per woman, replacement rate is 2.1, so over time the population would eventually start to go backwards because of the age distribution. Basically the number of births per year is not expected to rise or rise significantly, yet the number of deaths per year will rise over time and one day (not sure when, didn't look it up) cross annual births. However the key part is the number of peopel above 65 as a % of the population is rising. 5% in 1922, 16% 2020, 16.2% 2021 and over 20% by 2060's and the longer people live the more the cost to taxpayer through increased health and welfare costs. Something had to change.

First generation Australian's and immigrants are typically a disproportion contributor to the births and always have done.

For those who went to school in the 70's to 90's, we were all told that the post WW2 baby boomers were going to be a massive financial drain on the economy when they retire and to correct this the govt undertook a number of changes.
1 - Govt introduced Super to reduce those dependent on govt pension and costs to the taxpayer
2 - making private medical insurance almost compulsory to reduce costs on the govt health system
3 - the baby bonus, which wasn't as effective effective as required and the ALP used it as a political toy to cancel it.
4 - then respective govts moved to immigration when the economy had started to boom as a means to meet job demand by employers and help boost the population and number of taxpayers to fund the baby boomer costs and off-set the declining birth rate. At the end of the day, its cheaper to import skilled labour than birth, raise and educate it.

#4 brought forward the 25M population by nearly a decade or so.

The post CV boom, became a major headache world wide. Two years of basic stagnation and then all those savings and deferred spending was let loose and few country's had the workforce to support it, up goes inflation.

LNP started to increase migration at the request of employers and ALP when they won in 2022 drove it too high. Who actually did the full damage, well considering it takes up to a 18mth to get a visa to move to Australia, depending on your passport and background, speak english natively etc, I'll going to lay the blame at both govts.

For me, in this day and age and data its unbelievable that neither party didn't see the issue of housing. They know the construction rate and capability of the economy to build housing faster. To have people in good jobs basically homeless is almost unbelieveable.

However the housing issue is not limited to Australia, its everywhere and I mean everywhere internationally as was inflation.


So are the anti migrant protestors just opposing migration or non-white migration?

Yeah I've read all their propaganda, but its also clear that a large part of this element is also clearlt anti non-white migration. The issues has come up repeatitly over the last 40 years in just my lifetime that large groups of particular ethnic / cultural backgrounds is not good. Previously it was asians, then Middle East etc etc. Just ask the Aboriginals what they thought of the English migrants in the late 18th / early 19th century.

Unfortunately some culturals intergrate better than others, especially when there is large numbers and they form cultural islands in our cities.

So yes the numbers went to high, there needs to be a significant cultailment until the housing issue is resolved and remember some of the high profile projects we see on TV / media will note actually be on line for many years, ie Woollahra, WSA greater master plan development etc.

[Swift]

What about making it a condition they must live in a rural area for say 11 years, 4 months, 1 week and 3 days and 9 hours? The time is negotiable. It can be up to five minutes less than that but no more or instant deportation!
If they can adhere to such exacting conditions, they have earned the right to stick around and enjoy the benefits white Anglo Saxons worked hard to build.

[rtt_rules]

What about making it a condition they must live in a rural area for say 11 years, 4 months, 1 week and 3 days and 9 hours? The time is negotiable. It can be up to five minutes less than that but no more or instant deportation!
If they can adhere to such exacting conditions, they have earned the right to stick around and enjoy the benefits white Anglo Saxons worked hard to build.

They already have a rule.

Most Permanent Resident (PR) visas are state / territory sponsored. ie the relevent govt has indicated we need people of these XYZ skills. When the applicant accepts this then they are obliged to work and live in that state / territory for two years, after which they can move. If they move prior to that two years they are no longer entitled to govt funded social services and a few other things.

They are not deported because there maybe geniune reasons for them to move but also this just requires yet another taxpayer funded department to be generated and then investigate each case, face legal actions etc etc. TBH its not worth the hassel. These people were deemed fit to enter the country. And TBH, every person I know who entered the country under these conditions had intent to move post 2y, but never did because they became settled in their new home. Not saying it doesn't happen, just don't know how much it happens.

[Swift]

My policy is I was PM would be immediate halting of the immigration programme and and forming an ICE inspired force for instant deportation sweeps of overstayers in the capital cities followed by regional towns once the great purge of the cities is successful. The regions would be low priority as they need all the people they can get and we’ll get to those later before finally getting around to instantaneous chuck outs in those places too.
No more commercials showing unrealistic representations of ethnic profiles!!

[rtt_rules]

My policy is I was PM would be immediate halting of the immigration programme and and forming an ICE inspired force for instant deportation sweeps of overstayers in the capital cities followed by regional towns once the great purge of the cities is successful. The regions would be low priority as they need all the people they can get and we’ll get to those later before finally getting around to instantaneous chuck outs in those places too.
No more commercials showing unrealistic representations of ethnic profiles!!

The fastest way to know what to do is not do what they are doing in the USA as the country become the laughing stock in the world. ICE in the USA is nothing more than a bunch of govt thugs who frequently ignore the law, clash with local police are affraid to show their own face in public and made numerous very expensive and very public mistakes.

The USA illegal immigrants is made easier by poor border fencing and Trump's easy to climb sections of wall that has been moderately tolerated for decades because these people mostly just want to live cleanly, work and send money home to their families. Meanwhile the USA economy benefits from this illegal but low cost labour, especially in the Ag industry to bring crops to market at a lower cost than otherwise could be achieved and thats if they can find the labour. The down side to this strategy is that it also allows those who want to cause trouble into the country and smuggling of drugs, human trafficing etc and overall, where does it end? Overall the USA illegals is estimated to be around 3% of the population.

Australia has an estimated 70,000 illegal immigratnts, less than 0.2% of the population, mostly visa over stays for which around 10% left of their own accord each year with another 5% or so forcefully deported once located. Those who are able to stay here are not doing so because we "let them", they do so because they are hard to find. Many are basically visa over stayers staying with family, those on extended holidays etc.

If the illegals are hiding with family then its not always easy to find and you cannot just have a bunch of thugs walk in to peoples homes without a warrant as this is how people get let off and/or govt departments get sued.

Additionally many of these illegals come from country's whos passports require a very large deposit to be paid which is surrendered to the govt when they fail to leave on time. We already have existing laws and staff to find them when and where there is sufficent information to go on then proceed to undertake the legal proceedings to deport and then send them on their way. The problem is not overwhelming and less than 10% of the issue of the USA.

The fact that you said, " The regions would be low priority as they need all the people they can get..." indicates you are biased and don't fully understand the issue. An illegal is an illegal.

There is no such thing as a "automatic check out" every person accused of being an illegal needs to evicted by court process unless they volunteer to go once taken into custody. Many take this path to avoid an excessively longterm or lifetime ban.

Unlike USA, Aust is fast becoming a cash less economy which makes it harder for illegals to live without assistance by others.

Yes they need to go and they go when caught, but how much money do you throw at a problem thats barely a problem?

[rtt_rules]

Before printing "ICE" T-shirts to sleep in everynight. You need to first ask how effective is ICE vs past data. Have they actually achieved something or is it all just alot of noise because remember we all known Trump cannot be trusted to tell you the time correctly.

So far 2025, ICE claims to have deprted 300,000 to 400,000 people depending on the source of the data, another 1 - 1.5M have apparently left voluntary.

During and following CV deportations dropped to a trickle in most country's including the USA, so 2024 was the largest number in 3 years and was marginally higher than 2019. https://usafacts.org/answers/how-many-p ... ed-states/

In summary 2024 there were 312 k forced removals, of which 79% did not have a criminal conviction. How many left on their own accord? No idea as I cannot find the data. The USA used to have a system where an illegal could cross the border into Mexico unchallenged by USA border control after providing certain data.

There is apparently a significant reduction in illegals caught crossing into the USA, so Trump's crack down is certainly becoming a deterant.

[MiCCROwavE_OVEN]

Or they could be running out of funding to catch illegals / fudging the data to persuade voters who don't know how to think twice

There is a difference between 'illegal immigrants' and 'non-white migrants' that seems to be getting increasingly blurred (particularly in the US). Just because someone isn't white doesn't mean they are an 'illegal immigrant' - that is a false generalisation, much like Trump casually saying 'free healthcare for poor people is just free healthcare for illegal immigrants' (read 'all poor people are illegal immigrants').

Likewise, there can also be illegal immigrants who are white - thus the removal of illegal immigrants from a country has no bearing on ethnic profiles. There is a difference between removing illegals and ethnic cleansing..

[rtt_rules]

Or they could be running out of funding to catch illegals / fudging the data to persuade voters who don't know how to think twice

There is a difference between 'illegal immigrants' and 'non-white migrants' that seems to be getting increasingly blurred (particularly in the US). Just because someone isn't white doesn't mean they are an 'illegal immigrant' - that is a false generalisation, much like Trump casually saying 'free healthcare for poor people is just free healthcare for illegal immigrants' (read 'all poor people are illegal immigrants').

Likewise, there can also be illegal immigrants who are white - thus the removal of illegal immigrants from a country has no bearing on ethnic profiles. There is a difference between removing illegals and ethnic cleansing..

"Red neck white America" frequently labels non-whites as illegals. Unfortunately this is frequently the down side of not finishing high school, but it is politically popular in some circles.