Political discussion

[Swift]

He’ll still be able to proceed with his plans to reverse the Biden Harris burden. No more eating the dogs eating the cats.

[Merc1107]

That's not exactly what's being proposed... Looks like the responsibility will be handed to the websites themselves, or app store, or left to third parties, who will provide a "token" for someone to use across multiple sites.

What's not been answered yet is where discussion boards like this fall. Are they covered by the legislation? Will they be exempt? Does it apply to boards based overseas? Or will this be covered by search engines requiring age verification?

While the proposal allegedly has bipartisan support, I would be somewhat surprised if it actually passes in the last sitting of parliament.

Even if it doesn't pass, the ALP has shot itself in the foot and opened the doors for another decade of conservative small-government Coalition austerity during a cost-of-living crisis. That said, federal Labor has alienated its under-50s/progressive user base ever since they lost government after Rudd/Gillard/Rudd and steered to the right, filling the centre-right void left by the Liberals; Labor only won last election by merely existing as the Not Scomo Party.

Unfortunately the coalition support the bill too...

[Swift]

Vote Pauline. She’s the correct wing.

[Heihachi_73]

Even if it doesn't pass, the ALP has shot itself in the foot and opened the doors for another decade of conservative small-government Coalition austerity during a cost-of-living crisis. That said, federal Labor has alienated its under-50s/progressive user base ever since they lost government after Rudd/Gillard/Rudd and steered to the right, filling the centre-right void left by the Liberals; Labor only won last election by merely existing as the Not Scomo Party.

Unfortunately the coalition support the bill too...

Of course they do. Liberal-lite did liberal-lite. Anthony Albanese might well go down as the Coalition's best ever PM.

[rtt_rules]

Unfortunately the coalition support the bill too...

Of course they do. Liberal-lite did liberal-lite. Anthony Albanese might well go down as the Coalition's best ever PM.

So because the ALP isn't a bunch a union thugs or tree huggers its now moved to the right?

Its called political evolution, the bulk of the population don't want this. So to stick to the policies and attitudes of the past is to become as effective as Pauline Hanson's One nation party in govt.

Only 20 years ago the LNP were seen the baston of the car driver, PT be damned. Yet here we are today, the former NSW LNP govt has commited more to PT than almost the rest of the country combined since the 1960's.

In WA, the former Lib govt opposed the southern line and station at what ever place its called. Later they pushed for this station to be built.

[Merc1107]

In WA, the former Lib govt opposed the southern line and station at what ever place its called. Later they pushed for this station to be built.

Mandurah. And the line was opposed in the form it ultimately took. The stations built since are/were a mix of electioneering and genuine need.

[rtt_rules]

In WA, the former Lib govt opposed the southern line and station at what ever place its called. Later they pushed for this station to be built.

Mandurah. And the line was opposed in the form it ultimately took. The stations built since are/were a mix of electioneering and genuine need.

Thanks, I remember the original opposal by the then LNP opposition and thinking how out of touch they were, then later they promoted stations where they opposed. I thought have they not learned anything since the Fremantle line closure screwup.

[Heihachi_73]

Only 20 years ago the LNP were seen the baston of the car driver, PT be damned. Yet here we are today, the former NSW LNP govt has commited more to PT than almost the rest of the country combined since the 1960's.

Still is the case in Victoria. The only thing the Victorian Liberals cared about when they were in power was building the East West Link at all costs (so they could sell it as a tollway to the lowest bidder for the next hundred years). Unfortunately Labor got in the way and the project was shelved as a complete waste of money.

Unfortunately, the ALP, which is just as car-brained as the LNP, went on to build the Totally Not East West Link (the North East Link, also a tollway), and launched another massive road project masquerading as a rail project, the Level Crossing Removal Program, all while the timetables remain completely untouched with no plans for any timetable reform or even to speed up the trains now that the rails aren't 70 years old and running on top of wood (although you wouldn't know any different as a passenger as the tracks still ride rough even on the newer sections courtesy of poor-quality drainage and subsequent mud holes, failing welds creating a ton of noise and amplified by the concrete sleepers, and the constant screeching around corners while the rails disintegrate and have to be replaced every six months). But we got some shiny new train stations and enough parking spaces along the train line for the entire MCG's worth of passengers, so it's all good, right?

[Lt. Commander Data]

Of course they do. Liberal-lite did liberal-lite. Anthony Albanese might well go down as the Coalition's best ever PM.

So because the ALP isn't a bunch a union thugs or tree huggers its now moved to the right?

Its called political evolution, the bulk of the population don't want this. So to stick to the policies and attitudes of the past is to become as effective as Pauline Hanson's One nation party in govt.

https://www.politicalcompass.org/aus2022

Labor might be further left than the Liberals, but that doesn’t make it left wing.

[rtt_rules]

So because the ALP isn't a bunch a union thugs or tree huggers its now moved to the right?

Its called political evolution, the bulk of the population don't want this. So to stick to the policies and attitudes of the past is to become as effective as Pauline Hanson's One nation party in govt.

https://www.politicalcompass.org/aus2022

Labor might be further left than the Liberals, but that doesn’t make it left wing.

For all practical purposes they are.

Its like saying LNP maybe further right than ALP but this doesn't make it right wing

[Lt. Commander Data]

For all practical purposes they are.

Its like saying LNP maybe further right than ALP but this doesn't make it right wing

Did you even look at the graph in the link I posted before you replied? You can see Labor comfortably sit on the right hand side of the political spectrum, no ifs buts or ands. Labor are however, much more libertarian than the Liberals, although again they lean towards authoritarian more than they do libertarian.

[Merc1107]

I'm not sure how much stock you could put in a graph puts Labor as more libertarian, considering members of the Labor party have to toe the party line, or when it was the Labor states (in particular Victoria) who spent the most time in lockdown during COVID, with the most onerous restrictions on daily activity vs the Liberal states or the advice coming from the Federal level.
Or how Labor seem to have a quite the penchant for 'nanny-state' politics, which was demonstrated last week in the rush to get the social media ban for under-16s through (albeit with bipartisan support) when there are significant issues like a housing affordability crisis, stratospheric cost-of-living, climate change, and other pressing issues that needed resolution long ago (no, not misinformation); but no, apparently Little Johnny and his friends need to get off TikTok and watch the world crumble before their eyes, rather than the Government imposing mandatory "Codes of Practice" on Big Tech, like they do any other industry that is demonstrably unable to protect its user base... None of that strikes me as an approach consistent with the principle of free will.

Katter's Australia Party might serve as a useful yardstick of where Labor sat a generation or two ago, seeing as Rob Katter was himself a Labor politician.

We also shouldn't forget Horseshoe Theory suggests the fringes of the political spectrum, the far left and their counterparts on the far right, are perhaps more alike than more centrist parties; I notice the same paranoia and misinformation (albeit with some variations) permeates those fringe groups far more, and of course, they think they think themselves the only enlightened people around. How about both the far-left and far-right having this fetish for banning or otherwise silencing points of view they disagree with? So I certainly think the Greens could sit much farther away from "Libertarian" than they do in that graph, while Labor and Liberal are shown as somewhat contrasting when there are definitely overlaps in their policy - remembering they effectively represent opposing sides of a bell curve.

[rtt_rules]

For all practical purposes they are.

Its like saying LNP maybe further right than ALP but this doesn't make it right wing

Did you even look at the graph in the link I posted before you replied? You can see Labor comfortably sit on the right hand side of the political spectrum, no ifs buts or ands. Labor are however, much more libertarian than the Liberals, although again they lean towards authoritarian more than they do libertarian.

No, I cannot open it. Feel free to post as a picture. I also have little time for when posts in any social media are just a link to some other website with no further comment to explain why they are linking and how it supports their statement.

However it doesn't matter, we have the centre of politics roughly inbetween the two major parties although they both have policies that are cenrtic because the average voter won't tolerate extremem left or right policies. For Australia the majority, after 50% per election will vote on more on who will do a better job rather than "I'm a Labor man" one eyed type politics.

Over the years both sides have drifted from more traditional positions on lots of topics, mainly because they are adjusting for changes in social culture and public opnion. ie LNP supports medicare and PT, ALP supports GST etc