Timetable Changes 2024,

[Linto63]

I'm surprised the existing M90 and M91 routes haven't been renumbered out of the "M" designation yet, given just prior to the NWM's introduction in 2019 prompted almost all other "M" routes to be renumbered to something else, e.g. M10/20/30/40/50/41/61 etc. and we're about to go into the period of time when the existing line from Bankstown will be shut down within a few weeks.

Does the closure of the Bankstown line have any impact on the M90 and M91? Given that the bus routes run in a general north-south direction through the Canterbury Bankstown LGA, and the railway line runs east-west, can't see it.

[swtt]

I'm surprised the existing M90 and M91 routes haven't been renumbered out of the "M" designation yet, given just prior to the NWM's introduction in 2019 prompted almost all other "M" routes to be renumbered to something else, e.g. M10/20/30/40/50/41/61 etc. and we're about to go into the period of time when the existing line from Bankstown will be shut down within a few weeks.

Does the closure of the Bankstown line have any impact on the M90 and M91? Given that the bus routes run in a general north-south direction through the Canterbury Bankstown LGA, and the railway line runs east-west, can't see it.

No it doesn't, but that didn't stop even the most remotely unrelated M routes from being renumbered out of the metrobus branded route numbering scheme back in 2019.

[Linto63]

Would renumbering lead to a better service or make it any easier for passengers to navigate? If not renumbering just for the sake of it would be a vanity exercise.

[Stu]

The petition for public transport improvements by the Pyrmont Peninsula Public Transport Forum for the Pyrmont area has gained some minor traction, the 389 is set to be slightly modified according to the minutes published on the City of Sydney Council website.

Petition tabled.
https://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/la/pe ... x?pk=84267

e-petition closed.
https://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/la/Pa ... YgG8AjDQ8w

City of Sydney Council traffic committee
https://meetings.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.a ... yrmont.pdf

I would guess that this change will be implemented when there are wholesale timetable changes to train, bus & metro occur at the end of this month.

[boronia]

I'm surprised the existing M90 and M91 routes haven't been renumbered out of the "M" designation yet, given just prior to the NWM's introduction in 2019 prompted almost all other "M" routes to be renumbered to something else, e.g. M10/20/30/40/50/41/61 etc. and we're about to go into the period of time when the existing line from Bankstown will be shut down within a few weeks.

Maybe just change the letter? It's amazing how many people are supposed to be getting the M1 Metro and M1 Motorway confused.

[Aurora]

What bus changes are happening? As far as we know it is just the introduction of Southwest Link at the end of the month.

[swtt]

What bus changes are happening? As far as we know it is just the introduction of Southwest Link at the end of the month.

Probably rostering changes leading to departure time changes?

[stupid_girl]

What bus changes are happening? As far as we know it is just the introduction of Southwest Link at the end of the month.

Very little is known beyond the vague answer in the previous FAQ.

In addition to these bus changes to support commencement of Sydney Metro services
to the city and Sydenham, Transport has also identified other changes to bus services to
improve access to some Metro stations. Transport will analyse changes in travel demand
once new Metro services commence which will inform future adjustments to bus
services.
We are also in the process of finalising bus timetable adjustments that will be made
alongside the introduction of the new 2024 rail timetable and the closure of the T3
Bankstown Line between Sydenham and Bankstown to ensure that buses integrate with
new train times across the suburban and intercity networks.
These changes will take place across many bus routes within metropolitan Sydney and
will be communicated in advance to passengers, including schools to make sure they
understand what the changes mean and how best to travel.

[Stu]

The majority of the timetable changes will be in Region 6.

[Stu]

I found some minor inconsistencies with rail replacement route 23T2. It could be a simple typo or something more.

From 2018 until 2024 the rail replacement route 23T2 operated between Leppington Station and East Hills Station (not stopping at Holsworthy).
During July 2024, route 23T2 was changed to operate between Leppington Station and Granville Station.

The upcoming trackwork on the T2 Line and T8 Line involves the use of rail replacement route 23T2 and will occur on 14-15/9/2024. The TfNSW info website displays the route 23T2 as being reverted back to operating between Leppington Station and East Hills Station and this time the service stops at Holsworthy. https://transportnsw.info/alerts/details#/ems-38588

Ever since part of the T2 Line was renumbered into the T8 Line on 26/11/2017, some of the T2 rail replacement routes were renumbered to T8 accordingly, this freed up some rail replacement route numbers that could be reused on the T2 Line. From my historical records, the following rail replacement route numbers are available for use: 11T2, 12T2, 13T2, 14T2, 19T2, 20T2, 21T2, 34T2, 35T2, 36T2, 37T2, 38T2 & 39T2.
I am happy to be corrected if any of these numbers may be in use and I may not be aware of that fact.

I have provided detailed feedback to TfNSW Info asking for confirmation of what the correct route number is regarding the rail replacement service between Leppington Station and Granville Station.

I haven't received a response from my feedback enquiry although I found routes 2T2 and 22T2 displaying the same destinations and route pattern.

T2 Leppington Line: Buses replace trains between Leppington and Liverpool
Last updated: 9:16pm Sat 7 Sep Refresh
Incident activity
Sep 14, 2:00am - Sep 16, 2:00am

Details
Saturday 14 and Sunday 15 September
Buses replace trains between Leppington and Liverpool.
Trains run to a changed timetable and stopping pattern between Liverpool and the City via Granville.
Buses also replace T8 Airport & South Line trains between Macarthur and East Hills.

Replacement buses may be impacted by driver shortages. We are doing all we can to minimise the impact to your journey and provide a safe service, however cancellations or delays may occur.
Plan your trip before you travel for up-to-date real time information. You can also subscribe to planned trackwork alerts.

Bus routes
2T2 Leppington, Edmondson Park, Glenfield, Holsworthy and East Hills and return
27T8 Macarthur, then all stations to Liverpool and return
35T8 Campbelltown, then Minto, Ingleburn, Glenfield, Liverpool and return
74T8 Macarthur, then all stations to Glenfield, then East Hills and return

Routes affected
T2 City to Parramatta or Leppington
T2 Parramatta or Leppington to City

https://transportnsw.info/alerts/details#/ems-38588

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Buses replace trains between Macarthur and East Hills
Last updated: 9:35pm Sat 7 Sep Refresh
Incident activity
Sep 14, 2:00am - Sep 16, 2:00am

Details
Saturday 14 and Sunday 15 September
Buses replace trains between Macarthur, Glenfield and East Hills.
Trains run to a changed timetable and stopping pattern between East Hills or Revesby and the City via the Airport.
Buses also replace T2 Leppington Line trains between Leppington and Liverpool.

Replacement buses may be impacted by driver shortages. We are doing all we can to minimise the impact to your journey and provide a safe service, however cancellations or delays may occur.
Plan your trip before you travel for up-to-date real time information. You can also subscribe to planned trackwork alerts.

Bus routes
22T2 Leppington, Edmondson Park, Glenfield, Holsworthy and East Hills and return
27T8 Macarthur, then all stations to Liverpool and return
35T8 Campbelltown, then Minto, Ingleburn, Glenfield, Liverpool and return
70T8 Macarthur, then all stations to East Hills and return
74T8 Macarthur, then all stations to Glenfield, then East Hills and return

Routes affected
T8 City to Macarthur via Airport or Sydenham
T8 Macarthur to City via Airport or Sydenham

https://transportnsw.info/alerts/details#/ems-38603

[swtt]

Two weeks out before the first of the T3 Bankstown changes, still no revised timetable released? This is really cutting it fine...

[Aurora]

Revised timetable for bus or rail?

[swtt]

Revised timetable for bus or rail?

Both. There should be a revised Sector 2 timetable at least, for the introduction of Liverpool to City via Regents Park services as well as "T8" services serving Erskineville and St Peters.

In another thread, Stu mentioned there will also be revised timetables for Region 6.

[BAMBAM]

Revised timetable for bus or rail?

Both. There should be a revised Sector 2 timetable at least, for the introduction of Liverpool to City via Regents Park services as well as "T8" services serving Erskineville and St Peters.

In another thread, Stu mentioned there will also be revised timetables for Region 6.

There will also be services starting from Sydenham to City via Erskinville and St Peters as well Bankstown to Lidcombe Shuttle services, these will be 4 Cars Milleniums.

[Aurora]

Revised timetable for bus or rail?

Both. […]
In another thread, Stu mentioned there will also be revised timetables for Region 6.

The new rail timetable is still six weeks away. As for bussing, we know general routes are ‘usually’ released two weeks ahead, while bus replacement timetables aren’t always released in the traditional format PDF upload.

[stupid_girl]

Both. There should be a revised Sector 2 timetable at least, for the introduction of Liverpool to City via Regents Park services as well as "T8" services serving Erskineville and St Peters.

In another thread, Stu mentioned there will also be revised timetables for Region 6.

There will also be services starting from Sydenham to City via Erskinville and St Peters as well Bankstown to Lidcombe Shuttle services, these will be 4 Cars Milleniums.

I think Sydenham to City shuttles will be 8-car. It is not desirable to operate 4-car train in the City Circle.

[BAMBAM]

There will also be services starting from Sydenham to City via Erskinville and St Peters as well Bankstown to Lidcombe Shuttle services, these will be 4 Cars Milleniums.

I think Sydenham to City shuttles will be 8-car. It is not desirable to operate 4-car train in the City Circle.

I should clarify its only the Bankstown to Lidcombe Shuttles will be 4 Car Mills, Sydenham to City via Erskinville and St Peters will be 8 Car Sets

[Campbelltown busboy]

I think Sydenham to City shuttles will be 8-car. It is not desirable to operate 4-car train in the City Circle.

I should clarify its only the Bankstown to Lidcombe Shuttles will be 4 Car Mills, Sydenham to City via Erskinville and St Peters will be 8 Car Sets

How about all stop East Hills-City via Sydenham whitch means platforms 1 and 2 at Tempe would have to be prepared for service as those 2 platforms aren’t used much

[BAMBAM]

I should clarify its only the Bankstown to Lidcombe Shuttles will be 4 Car Mills, Sydenham to City via Erskinville and St Peters will be 8 Car Sets

How about all stop East Hills-City via Sydenham whitch means platforms 1 and 2 at Tempe would have to be prepared for service as those 2 platforms aren’t used much

Why would they need to be prepared for service? They are already in use and can be in service if required. It’s just that there are no timetabled services stopping at Tempe coming from East Hills or any stations on the Airport line, only Illawarra services stop at Tempe. Whether there is in the next timetable change I’m not sure.

[swtt]

The new rail timetable is still six weeks away. As for bussing, we know general routes are ‘usually’ released two weeks ahead, while bus replacement timetables aren’t always released in the traditional format PDF upload.

Erm, if Bankstown - Sydenham is being shut down officially on 30/9/2024, that's around THREE weeks away. Where did you get the six week calculation from?

[alleve]

How about all stop East Hills-City via Sydenham whitch means platforms 1 and 2 at Tempe would have to be prepared for service as those 2 platforms aren’t used much

Why would they need to be prepared for service? They are already in use and can be in service if required.

These platforms have no passenger information displays. They're only ever used in situations in which Wolli Creek 3/4 is closed, and when this occurs they are the only platforms in metropolitan Sydney to not have displays. Everything else a functional train platform needs is present, however. Presumably it would not be difficult for TfNSW to install a couple screens.

Not sure why a T8 via Sydenham service would ever need to stop at Tempe though (apart from maybe if the T4 is closed for trackwork). Tempe is already served fine by the T4 so it would make a lot more sense for T8 trains to not stop much the same way they currently don't stop there.

[Aurora]

Erm, if Bankstown - Sydenham is being shut down officially on 30/9/2024, that's around THREE weeks away. Where did you get the six week calculation from?

It’s not a calculation

[alleve]

Erm, if Bankstown - Sydenham is being shut down officially on 30/9/2024, that's around THREE weeks away. Where did you get the six week calculation from?

It’s not a calculation

So what happens in the three week period between the Bankstown line closing and the timetable change

[Aurora]

The same as what happens every weekend… Thing is though industrial action ramps up this week and more added next week, so we will see what eventuates over the next month, bit of a dummy spit really.

[Linto63]

So what happens in the three week period between the Bankstown line closing and the timetable change.

The same as happened for the past few weekday shutdowns, i.e. T3 services are diverted to operate to Liverpool via Lidcombe and Regents Park with buses replacing trains between Lidcombe and Bankstown.