New bus network arising from CSELR (L2/L3) opening

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boronia wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 2:35 pm The old bus stop on Anzac Pde near the pedestrian crossing has been covered over with black plastic, a info panel instructing passengers for the 392/X to go to "Stand A" (no indication of where this actually is) and for 396/399 to walk up past Strachan St.
Is this "Stand A"? Do you mean this bus stop has been covered over with black plastic?
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Stu wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 8:50 pm I forgot about this one.

1701 was transferred from Region 8 Mona Vale to Region 9 Port Botany for the purpose of the metrobus route 10 (renumbered M10) which was on trial. The bus had some seats removed as well as additional panels in the roof to hide the air-con units. When the Volvo B12BLEA Volgren bodies units were being commissioned into service, 1701 was moved to Tempe as more metrobus routes were being introduced and eventually spent almost 6 years at Ryde for metrobus routes M52 & M54.

Because there were only two of these type of Volvo B12BLEA Custom Coaches body with 1.5 doors in Region 7, they were transferred away to Region 6.
It's a surprise that 1701 didn't get the TNSW treatment and go across to region 3 with 1668 and the 6 Volgren B12BLEAs for the T80 artic trial to see if artics would work on the Liverpool-Parramatta T way
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Speaking of which, have there been photos posted of the new routes?

All there has been on Facebook, are photos of the now defunct routes, e.g. 400, 393 etc.
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Stu wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 8:50 pm
Because there were only two of these type of Volvo B12BLEA Custom Coaches body with 1.5 doors in Region 7, they were transferred away to Region 6.
Perhaps they should have been returned to region 8 after getting wrapped only. Why would you put a 1.5 door articulated bus on MB permanently? Welcome to the city that defies logic as a culture.
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swtt wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:31 pm Speaking of which, have there been photos posted of the new routes?

All there has been on Facebook, are photos of the now defunct routes, e.g. 400, 393 etc.
It'll take a couple of weeks for the tragics to recover.

But here's a 396 in the interchange, behind a 390X
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swtt wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:31 pm Speaking of which, have there been photos posted of the new routes?

All there has been on Facebook, are photos of the now defunct routes, e.g. 400, 393 etc.
I got some photos of new routes today but I haven't downloaded them all off my camera yet. I do however have a random shot of a 350 from this morning


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Have to say I do like the artics on route 390x - as a hobbyist its also fun and something new seeing them on the section of now-defunct route 400 between UNSW High St and Bondi Junction via Frenchman’s Road, as far as I can remember, this route would normally never have artics of any kind.

I caught a 390x just now, turned up and go’d as advertised. Only had to wait 3 minutes and a Custom Coaches artic showed up, which I must say, had a very decent passenger loading, Transport will probably be pleased with the decision to send out artics on this route. Passed by several now-defunct bus stops in Frenchman’s Road which had “Bus Stop Closed from 5 December” signs on them where the old 314, 316, 317 and 348 would stop.

In relation to Light Rail interchange and 390x, if you’re coming from Bondi and wish to change to L2 towards City, the stop on Clara St opposite the hospital is far more useful / easier to interchange to L2, by far the quickest to walk, only few mins to Randwick LR. Getting off at Randwick Junction will do your head in as you deal with about five pedestrian traffic lights. Otherwise NIDA and L3 isn’t too bad. And of course, the flagship Juniors Kingsford interchange and L3
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Fleet Lists wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 4:28 pm
Stu wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 1:49 pm Region 6 is meant only have four artics remaining, the original metrobus trial units 2109 & 2110 (VOLVO B12BLEA), 2111 (Scania K310UA) and 2112 (Scania N310UA).
On Weekdays except Tuesday ever since Transit Systems has taken over region 6, there has been an artic working route 751S in the afternoon from Sylvania High School to Kogarah which is worked in the morning by Transdev as route S256. I guess that wont happen after this. I could not check this afternoon because of the strike.

I have only managed to get a usuable photo of it https://www.flickr.com/photos/193972346 ... 686200239/ a couple of weeks ago.
Even today on Tuesday Anytrip shows an artic operating on route 751S a Volvo B12BLEA/CR228L - none of the one listed above as the remaining ones are of that body type. Quite a few have been removed from the Transit Systems fleet list but there are still 34 CR228L's listed at https://fleetlists.busaustralia.com/tsa ... n%20CR228L of which 8 are at region 3, leaving 26 at region 6 with 2095 and 2150 still at Tempe which operates route 751S. Of course the fleet listing update may not be complete. No updates done as yet at State Transit.
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Jurassic_Joke wrote: Tue Dec 07, 2021 1:39 pm
I caught a 390x just now, turned up and go’d as advertised. Only had to wait 3 minutes and a Custom Coaches artic showed up, which I must say, had a very decent passenger loading, Transport will probably be pleased with the decision to send out artics on this route.
Is this a miracle sent from the heavens?? Something actually a success on the bus network down there?
A good decision that actually benefits the people?
Very elated to hear a) that very busy section of the former 400 corridor has bendy buses at last, and b) it's reliable and c) they're filling up well like a well fed pet! Most successful new initiative there since the 400 began in 89.
Didn't realise they also sent 1.5 door CC ZF transmission bendy too. Why not?!! Beats a VSTM and 12m every time. Got to say, their ZF 6 speed transmission will give a handy performance boost, much as I love Voith.

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Route 350 is seemingly operated exclusively by Waverley as was its predecessor route 400, while route 390X is operated by Port Botany. While artics dominate on the latter, rigids do appear. While routes 373 and 374 were being exclusively operated by artics on Sunday, during the week rigids appear to rule the roost.

In return for Volgren bodied artics, region 9 has released 29 rigids to region 6's Tempe depot; 19 from Randwick and 10 from Waverley. Transit Systems still had plenty of Volgren bodied artics out on Parramatta Road services this evening, maybe these are being retained, or the exchange of vehicles is happening in several phases.
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In the Transit Systems fleet list changes made today there were 10 rigids received from Waverley as stated but only 16 from Randwick and only 15 artics released from Transit Systems all to Randwick.
There could be more changes to come but I doubt it.
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The transfer of artics between Region 6 and Region 9 should have included 13 Volgren B12s from Tempe and 2 Volgren B12s from Leichhardt to Randwick. Alongside that there has been the transfer of 3 Volgren B12s from P to R. I don't believe that there are any additional artic transfers at this point in time. There should have been 17 CB80 K280s and 12 CB60 B12s (made up of 10 from W and 2 from R) from STA to TSA, but i'm not sure if they have all gone across yet. Waverley has also gained some B8s from P, both Bustech and Volgren bodied.

It does appear that each route is operated solely by one depot, which no sharing on any routes. Route 390X is all Port Botany and Route 350 is all Waverley as previously noted. Route 375 and 377X are both all Port Botany, which is notable for a corridor previously dominated by Randwick.

The routes operated by artics appear to be 304 (R), 309 (P), 333 (W), 343 (R), 377X (P), 379 (W), 390X (P), 394X (P) and 396 (P) on weekdays and 333 (W), 373 (R), 374 (R) and 390X (P) on weekends
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Fleet Lists wrote: http://fleetlists.busaustralia.com/comm ... eratorreq=
In the Transit Systems fleet list changes made today there were 10 rigids received from Waverley as stated but only 16 from Randwick...
Per Transit Systems fleetlist, Randwick transfers to Tempe: 1962, 1963, 2529 - 2536, 2552 - 2563 = 19 . Three listed with 'Changes as listed' (1962, 1963 and 2554) are actually additions.
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While I can understand the reasoning of moving the outbound Inner West services from Castlereagh to Elizabeth Street to clear the former of buses in the off-peak, appears to not have been thought out very well, causing gridlock in the peak. All the Inner West and peak-hour Eastern Suburbs express services that previously operated free of one another, now have to cross over one another. The Inner West services turn west down either Liverpool Street, Hay Street or Eddy Avenue, while the Eastern Suburbs services all turn east down Liverpool Street.

Point in case this evening being a conga line of over a dozen Eastern Suburbs buses queued in Castlereagh Street outside the Downing Centre, that were only getting through at 2-3 buses per phase because only 2 buses can be accommodated in the Liverpool Street right hand turning bay into Elizabeth Street.

Not a big enough sample to gain a full picture, but most of the Eastern Suburbs express buses only had a few people on board, it does appear to be somewhat over serviced.
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Linto63 wrote: Tue Dec 07, 2021 9:58 pm
Fleet Lists wrote: http://fleetlists.busaustralia.com/comm ... eratorreq=
In the Transit Systems fleet list changes made today there were 10 rigids received from Waverley as stated but only 16 from Randwick...
Per Transit Systems fleetlist, Randwick transfers to Tempe: 1962, 1963, 2529 - 2536, 2552 - 2563 = 19 . Three listed with 'Changes as listed' (1962, 1963 and 2554) are actually additions.
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And on the flipside, service to the SCG is now pretty poor.

The only service going from Oxford/City West to the SCG stop is the 396, and it stays on Anzac Pde and gets caught in traffic turning into the carparks via Lang Rd on event days (even with the 10k crowd last Sunday)

Of course the 373 and 377 also travel along the route via the busway, but of course it would be too much to see them using the brand new multi million bus interchange. Instead the closest stop is the other side of Lang Road.
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The tram services the SCG best, and maybe they will continue to run supplementary buses for major events.
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boronia wrote:The tram services the SCG best, and maybe they will continue to run supplementary buses for major events.
From Central or areas on the tram line yes...

But a bus would be far quicker from Circular Quay, the east of the CBD, up Oxford, and anywhere beyond Taylor Square with transfer, or even Coogee.

Got to consider all points on the compass.
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moa999 wrote: Thu Dec 09, 2021 11:10 pm
boronia wrote:The tram services the SCG best, and maybe they will continue to run supplementary buses for major events.
From Central or areas on the tram line yes...

But a bus would be far quicker from Circular Quay, the east of the CBD, up Oxford, and anywhere beyond Taylor Square with transfer, or even Coogee.

Got to consider all points on the compass.
Can I suggest that the 396 every 10 mins servicing Elizabeth street to SCG, 396/373 about every 5 mins from Oxford Street, and from Coogee every 10 mins, is not a poor service in any respect.

If the light rail was not there maybe but I find that a very acceptable alternative bus service.
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The 394X is described as LaPerouse - City service but I see from the timetable that several services start or finish at Juniors Kingsford. This is the only outer stop on those services, I wonder what its loadings would be like?
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thunderbird wrote: Can I suggest that the 396 every 10 mins servicing Elizabeth street to SCG, 396/373 about every 5 mins from Oxford Street, and from Coogee every 10 mins, is not a poor service in any respect.

If the light rail was not there maybe but I find that a very acceptable alternative bus service.
As above the 396 uses Anzac Pde so gets stuck behind traffic turning into Lang Rd for up to 10min if passengers are stopping at the SCG, unless the driver is willing to risk the sack by letting passengers out on the side of the road.

And the 396 is often full by the time it gets to Oxford, particularly for any games on a weeknight.

The 373, 377 don't stop in the Moore Park precinct at all - the closest stops are the far side of Lang Rd and a couple of blocks away towards Taylor Square.

I'm simply suggesting that on event nights all services use the busway and all stop at the very recently constructed bus interchange, that has essentially had zero use since it opened.

if you're coming from plenty of suburbs to the East the light rail simply does not makes sense.
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boronia wrote: Fri Dec 10, 2021 7:05 pm The 394X is described as LaPerouse - City service but I see from the timetable that several services start or finish at Juniors Kingsford. This is the only outer stop on those services, I wonder what its loadings would be like?
These trips continue as or are formed from a 399. On the out people can stay onboard to Maroubra, Malabar and Little Bay. This is denoted on the desto when departing the City. Why this isn't a 399x is a bit silly and I'm sure a cause for confusion.
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I saw one go past this afternoon and just saw the KINGSFORD part.

Looking at the timetable notes, I see the comment about the 399. Agree it is dumb idea. The 392 and 392X cope with having different destinations.
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boronia wrote: Fri Dec 10, 2021 9:40 pm The 392 and 392X cope with having different destinations.
Don't you mean the 392, 392N and 392X all have different inbound destinations?
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Of the 10 or so 390Xs I passed yesterday afternoon in the Bondi Junction - Randwick section, eight were rigids. Some were short workings to Little Bay, but a long way short of being all artic which was seemingly the case earlier in the week.
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