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^ I would also like to add that the original comment I made about those routes is because the 23, 102 and 107 all originally serviced the old Wellington Street Bus Station, however were never returned to Perth Busport since it opened.
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Bus Suggestions wrote: Sun Oct 11, 2020 11:04 am R Kings Park Rd to resume current route to Fremantle.
Turning left there is pretty tricky in the peak with a bus - wouldn't want to do the right turn in a bus without some alteration to the intersection.
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Enviro 500 wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:38 pm [202/203 and 231/232 are also considered circular routes. Think there are a couple of similar routes in Mandurah too.
Not forgetting the 240 241 and 250 which are also circular routes.
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I think 75 and 177 should swap packages as it makes more sense for CV to supply 75 fleet considering this route terminates there and traverses heavily into Swan Transit's territory. Ideally, Canning and Kalamunda should be under a single command area, ie operating on the same radio network.
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Enviro 500 wrote:I think 75 and 177 should swap packages as it makes more sense for CV to supply 75 fleet considering this route terminates there and traverses heavily into Swan Transit's territory. Ideally, Canning and Kalamunda should be under a single command area, ie operating on the same radio network.
When I remembers for the pre-July 2004, there were routes 10/12 (11/13 for even further pre 2002) and 175 which were their preceding route from current routes 177 and 75 respectively.

While from that period, route 10/12 were in the Welshpool/Claremont contract, and route 175 was in Canning contract
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shinjiman wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 10:29 pm
Enviro 500 wrote:I think 75 and 177 should swap packages as it makes more sense for CV to supply 75 fleet considering this route terminates there and traverses heavily into Swan Transit's territory. Ideally, Canning and Kalamunda should be under a single command area, ie operating on the same radio network.
When I remembers for the pre-July 2004, there were routes 10/12 (11/13 for even further pre 2002) and 175 which were their preceding route from current routes 177 and 75 respectively.

While from that period, route 10/12 were in the Welshpool/Claremont contract, and route 175 was in Canning contract
All the more reinforces my point I put across in another topic that the incumbent in Kalamunda should also have Canning and Southern River, with a similar structure of global running as Claremont/Marmion/Joondalup that minimises dead runs.

As for the Freo CAT, it should be defunded. The Red Cat can be operated by private contractors not affiliated with PTA (think Purple Coach, Westwide and the like) in a similar fashion as the Cott Cat while the Blue Cat, being heavily duplicated by local bus routes, can be withdrawn. Additionally, a FTZ surrounded by South Terrace, Ord Street and Queen Victoria Street can be set up.
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The ROute 66 will be withdrawn and be replaced with additional Route 950 buses during peak hour from EQBS to Morley. I think there is duplication with the Route 950. THe Route 66 shares the same bus stop as Route 950. Perhaps if they throw in limited stops for the Route 950, which would service well along the Perth-Morley Route.
Reroute the Route 67. Instead of driving along Beaufort St, the bus should travel along Central Avenue. This will provide more access to bus services along Central Ave. As the bus approaches the roundabout, the bus will turn right onto Hamer Parade. The bus will continue to drive along Walter Rd W. As the bus approaches Grand Prom, the bus will turn left and continue its normal journey to Mirrabooka.
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For me continued with 449 change route.

449 Warwick - Dayton (Via Beach Rd & Marshall Rd)

Malaga Extension
449 Will extended to Dayton from Malaga. This bus will Terminated at Dayton Community centre.
From Warwick
Continued normal Rd until Malaga, Marshall Rd, R Beechboro Rd, L Bridgeman Dr, L Waterway Ps, R Bennet Springs Dr, L Altone Rd, R Marshall Rd, Dayton Bvd, R Arthur St, Community Centre
To Warwick
Arthur Rd, L Dayton Bvd, Marshall Rd, L Altone Rd, R Bennett Springs Dr, L Waterway Ps, R Bridgeman Dr, R Beechboro Rd, L Marshall Rd, Continued normal 449 route.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Lm1YEA ... sp=sharing

MidlandExtension
and also will had additional school service morning and afternoon that extend to Midland Station.
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Shoudy Chen wrote: Sun Nov 15, 2020 5:33 pm The ROute 66 will be withdrawn and be replaced with additional Route 950 buses during peak hour from EQBS to Morley. I think there is duplication with the Route 950. THe Route 66 shares the same bus stop as Route 950. Perhaps if they throw in limited stops for the Route 950, which would service well along the Perth-Morley Route.
Reroute the Route 67. Instead of driving along Beaufort St, the bus should travel along Central Avenue. This will provide more access to bus services along Central Ave. As the bus approaches the roundabout, the bus will turn right onto Hamer Parade. The bus will continue to drive along Walter Rd W. As the bus approaches Grand Prom, the bus will turn left and continue its normal journey to Mirrabooka.
Yeah nah, there's already 950s running from Morley every 2 mins in the morning peak, even limited stop is overdone... and the 67 should stay to service the folk along Beaufort St, who need to utilise it to get to Dianella Plaza & Mirrabooka; pax can always get off at Walter Rd or Alexander Drive if they want to use other services; there just needs to be more 6768s from Perth in the evening peak between 5-6.30pm.
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Reroute the Route 75. There is a bit of duplication with the ROute 72 from the city to Curtin. After the bus drives from Vic Park Bus Station, the bus should turn right onto Albany Hwy and drive past Victoria Park Shopping Centre. The bus would turn right onto McMillan St (to cater for more services along the road). Route 284 doesn't operate on WEekends and Public Holidays. THe bus would turn left onto Berwick Street. The bus should turn right onto Canterbury Terrace and left onto Devenish St. The bus would turn right onto Riverview Road and turn left onto Jarrah Road. After that, the bus would continue driving along Adie Court and continue its service to curtin. The bus would then continue its service down to Canning Vale.
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for me I would change some stand in some route for Elizabeth Quay

STAND CHANGES

Stand A (this stand is just for bus that goes to William St)
A1
114/115 to East Perth Station (see below for Change)
30/31/34 to Perth Busport

A2
Blue Cat

A3
66 to Morley Bus Station (althought i actually think is better for 66 to move to Perth busport because it duplicate 950. Also when 67/68 move to busport i am not really into it i prefer Route 66 that move to busport rather than 67/68.

Stand C (this stand is just route goes pass Kwinana Fwy bridge)
C1
34 to Cannington Station
35 to South Perth

C2
30 to Curtin Uni Bus Station
31 to Salter Point

C3
114 to Munster
115 to Hamilton Hill
160 to Fremantle



ROUTE CHANGES/EXTENSION

Route 102/107
I would extended to East Perth WACA from Elizabeth Quay (Via 111/160 route)


Route 114/115

I would extended to East Perth Station from Elizabeth Quay
via WIlliam St, Wellington St, Bennett St, Brook St, East Parade and terminates in the East side of East Perth Station.
the reason is to make conneftion for Wellington St/East perth residence to Elizabeth Quay

Route 24
I would change the route to Fraser quay
from Adelaide Tce, Hill St, Terrace Rd, Plain St, Riverside Dr and vice versa


Route 26/103
I would extended to route to Fraser point from Terrace rd
from Adelaide Tce, Hill St, Terrace Rd, Plain St, Riverside Dr and vice versa
also the old terrace bus northbound bus stop will be installed again

Route 27
I would move terminus from WACA to Fraser point
from Adelaide Tce, Hill St, Terrace Rd, Plain St, Riverside Dr and vice versa

I would also consider all WACA route (111/160/102/107) to extend to East Perh Station.
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pasha241 wrote: Tue May 25, 2021 8:16 pm for me I would change some stand in some route for Elizabeth Quay

STAND CHANGES

Stand A (this stand is just for bus that goes to William St)
A1
114/115 to East Perth Station (see below for Change)
30/31/34 to Perth Busport

A2
Blue Cat

A3
66 to Morley Bus Station (althought i actually think is better for 66 to move to Perth busport because it duplicate 950. Also when 67/68 move to busport i am not really into it i prefer Route 66 that move to busport rather than 67/68.

Stand C (this stand is just route goes pass Kwinana Fwy bridge)
C1
34 to Cannington Station
35 to South Perth

C2
30 to Curtin Uni Bus Station
31 to Salter Point

C3
114 to Munster
115 to Hamilton Hill
160 to Fremantle



ROUTE CHANGES/EXTENSION

Route 102/107
I would extended to East Perth WACA from Elizabeth Quay (Via 111/160 route)


Route 114/115

I would extended to East Perth Station from Elizabeth Quay
via WIlliam St, Wellington St, Bennett St, Brook St, East Parade and terminates in the East side of East Perth Station.
the reason is to make conneftion for Wellington St/East perth residence to Elizabeth Quay

Route 24
I would change the route to Fraser quay
from Adelaide Tce, Hill St, Terrace Rd, Plain St, Riverside Dr and vice versa


Route 26/103
I would extended to route to Fraser point from Terrace rd
from Adelaide Tce, Hill St, Terrace Rd, Plain St, Riverside Dr and vice versa
also the old terrace bus northbound bus stop will be installed again

Route 27
I would move terminus from WACA to Fraser point
from Adelaide Tce, Hill St, Terrace Rd, Plain St, Riverside Dr and vice versa

I would also consider all WACA route (111/160/102/107) to extend to East Perh Station.
Wonder if the Yellow Cat can be extended to East Perth Rail Terminal as well.
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Enviro 500 wrote: Wed May 26, 2021 10:56 am
pasha241 wrote: Tue May 25, 2021 8:16 pm for me I would change some stand in some route for Elizabeth Quay

STAND CHANGES

Stand A (this stand is just for bus that goes to William St)
A1
114/115 to East Perth Station (see below for Change)
30/31/34 to Perth Busport

A2
Blue Cat

A3
66 to Morley Bus Station (althought i actually think is better for 66 to move to Perth busport because it duplicate 950. Also when 67/68 move to busport i am not really into it i prefer Route 66 that move to busport rather than 67/68.

Stand C (this stand is just route goes pass Kwinana Fwy bridge)
C1
34 to Cannington Station
35 to South Perth

C2
30 to Curtin Uni Bus Station
31 to Salter Point

C3
114 to Munster
115 to Hamilton Hill
160 to Fremantle



ROUTE CHANGES/EXTENSION

Route 102/107
I would extended to East Perth WACA from Elizabeth Quay (Via 111/160 route)


Route 114/115

I would extended to East Perth Station from Elizabeth Quay
via WIlliam St, Wellington St, Bennett St, Brook St, East Parade and terminates in the East side of East Perth Station.
the reason is to make conneftion for Wellington St/East perth residence to Elizabeth Quay

Route 24
I would change the route to Fraser quay
from Adelaide Tce, Hill St, Terrace Rd, Plain St, Riverside Dr and vice versa


Route 26/103
I would extended to route to Fraser point from Terrace rd
from Adelaide Tce, Hill St, Terrace Rd, Plain St, Riverside Dr and vice versa
also the old terrace bus northbound bus stop will be installed again

Route 27
I would move terminus from WACA to Fraser point
from Adelaide Tce, Hill St, Terrace Rd, Plain St, Riverside Dr and vice versa

I would also consider all WACA route (111/160/102/107) to extend to East Perh Station.
Wonder if the Yellow Cat can be extended to East Perth Rail Terminal as well.
the problem if yellow cat extended there it will divert a lot so better to put yellow cat still in claisbrook
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Some ideas I've had for more cross-suburban bus routes in the northern suburbs, to build up more of a grid network:
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Route 379 Mirrabooka to Bassendean
  • via Yirrigan Dr, Alexander Dr, Widgee Rd, Camboon Rd, Benara Rd, Bottlebrush Dr, Morley Dr E and Ivanhoe St
  • Provides a new connection to Mirrabooka from suburbs east of Alexander Dr
  • Connects Bassendean Station to suburbs in the north west
  • Also connects to the future Noranda station
  • Local connection to Noranda and Beechboro shopping centres
Changes to Routes 346 and 347
  • Both routes would be changed to terminate at Noranda Shopping Centre to improve local access
  • Morley SHS would be served by new route 379
Route 409 Glendalough to Morley
  • via Scarborough Beach Rd, Main St, Royal St, Flinders St, Blythe/Woodrov Av, Alexander Dr, Morley Dr, Wellington Rd
  • Provides a connection to Dianella and Morley from suburbs to the west
  • Connects suburbs east of Wanneroo Rd not near the circleroute to the Joondalup Line
  • Connects Tuart Hill to Glendalough station allowing connections to routes high frequency routes 990 and 407
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A few route idea's to add Northam to the Transperth network. It does require the use of a facility to store buses overnight, as I'm not sure you'd want to have a 50 minute run-on from Mundaring Depot :lol:

Route 329 - Midland Station to Northam Station via Great Eastern Hwy

Route Description:
From Midland;
L Helena, R Great Eastern, R Nichol, L Craig, L Mundaring Weir, R Great Eastern, R Mitchell, R Newcastle/Gairdner, L Wellington East, into a stand at Northam Station.
From Northam;
R Peel, L Wellington East, R Gairdner/Newcastle, L Mitchell, L Great Eastern, L Nichol, L Craig, L Mundaring Weir, L Great Eastern, L Helena, R into Midland Station.

Times of trips;

Monday-Friday
Northam | 05:30 | 07:40 | 11:10 | 13:10 | 17:25
Bakers Hill | 05:52 | 08:02 | 11:32 | 13:32 | 17:47
Craig St | 06:20 | 08:30 | 12:00 | 14:00 | 18:15
Midland | 06:40 | 08:50 | 12:20 | 14:20 | 18:35

Midland | 06:50 | 11:16 | 13:16 | 16:11 |*18:02
Craig St | 07:10 | 11:36 | 13:36 | 16:31 | 18:27
Bakers Hill | 07:38 | 12:04 | 14:04 | 16:59 | 18:55
Northam | 07:58 | 12:24 | 14:24 | 17:19 | 19:15

Saturday
Northam |#09:30 | 13:55 |
Bakers Hill | 10:22 | 14:15 |
Craig St | 11:07 | 14:43 |
Midland | 11:27 | 15:03 |

Midland | 12:15 |#18:30 |
Craig St | 12:35 | 18:50 |
Bakers Hill | 13:03 | 19:35 |
Northam | 13:23 | 19:55 |

No Sunday service.
* indicates deviation via Mahogany Creek.
# indicates deviation via Wooroloo and Wundowie.

Route 330 - Northam North Circular

Route Description:
R Peel, L Wellington East, R Gairdner/Newcastle, L Mitchell, R Robinson, L Mitchell, R Hutt, R Park, L Inkpen, R Clarke, R Kennedy, L Stirling, L Broome, L Hampton, R Forrest, R Fitzgerald East, L Gairdner, L Wellington East, into Northam Stn.

Times of trips;

Monday-Friday
Northam | 08:10 | 10:10 | 12:30 | 14:30 | 17:25 |
Hospital | 08:18 | 10:18 | 12:38 | 14:38 | 17:33 |
Northam | 08:27 | 10:27 | 12:47 | 14:47 | 17:41 |

No Saturday or Sunday service.
Route 331 - Northam South Circular

Route Description:
R Peel, L Wellington East, R Gairdner, L Fitzgerald East/Fitzgerald West, L Glass, L Wellington West, R Parker, L Throssell, L Burgoyne, R Byfield, L East, L Northey/Edmondson, R Gregory/Selby, R Gairdner, R Wellington East, into Northam Stn.

Times of trips;

Monday-Friday
Northam | 08:40 | 10:30 | 12:50 | 14:50 | 17:45 |
Parker St| 08:49 | 10:39 | 12:59 | 14:59 | 17:54 |
Northam | 08:58 | 10:48 | 13:08 | 15:08 | 18:03 |

No Saturday or Sunday service.
Changes Required

Route 330 renumbered to Route 318.
Route 331 renumbered to Route 319.
Route 328: The 18:01 service to stop deviating via Mahogany Creek (replaced by 329 deviation).
Route 320: The 18:22 service from Mahogany Creek to stop running (replaced by 329 deviation).
Route 320: The 06:51 service from Midland Station to stop running (replaced by the 329 service).

This took me way too long to type out :lol: :lol:

Cheers! :wink:

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Off The Rails wrote: Sat Aug 28, 2021 7:16 am A few route idea's to add Northam to the Transperth network. It does require the use of a facility to store buses overnight, as I'm not sure you'd want to have a 50 minute run-on from Mundaring Depot :lol:

Route 329 - Midland Station to Northam Station via Great Eastern Hwy

Route Description:
From Midland;
L Helena, R Great Eastern, R Nichol, L Craig, L Mundaring Weir, R Great Eastern, R Mitchell, R Newcastle/Gairdner, L Wellington East, into a stand at Northam Station.
From Northam;
R Peel, L Wellington East, R Gairdner/Newcastle, L Mitchell, L Great Eastern, L Nichol, L Craig, L Mundaring Weir, L Great Eastern, L Helena, R into Midland Station.

Times of trips;

Monday-Friday
Northam | 05:30 | 07:40 | 11:10 | 13:10 | 17:25
Bakers Hill | 05:52 | 08:02 | 11:32 | 13:32 | 17:47
Craig St | 06:20 | 08:30 | 12:00 | 14:00 | 18:15
Midland | 06:40 | 08:50 | 12:20 | 14:20 | 18:35

Midland | 06:50 | 11:16 | 13:16 | 16:11 |*18:02
Craig St | 07:10 | 11:36 | 13:36 | 16:31 | 18:27
Bakers Hill | 07:38 | 12:04 | 14:04 | 16:59 | 18:55
Northam | 07:58 | 12:24 | 14:24 | 17:19 | 19:15

Saturday
Northam |#09:30 | 13:55 |
Bakers Hill | 10:22 | 14:15 |
Craig St | 11:07 | 14:43 |
Midland | 11:27 | 15:03 |

Midland | 12:15 |#18:30 |
Craig St | 12:35 | 18:50 |
Bakers Hill | 13:03 | 19:35 |
Northam | 13:23 | 19:55 |

No Sunday service.
* indicates deviation via Mahogany Creek.
# indicates deviation via Wooroloo and Wundowie.

Route 330 - Northam North Circular

Route Description:
R Peel, L Wellington East, R Gairdner/Newcastle, L Mitchell, R Robinson, L Mitchell, R Hutt, R Park, L Inkpen, R Clarke, R Kennedy, L Stirling, L Broome, L Hampton, R Forrest, R Fitzgerald East, L Gairdner, L Wellington East, into Northam Stn.

Times of trips;

Monday-Friday
Northam | 08:10 | 10:10 | 12:30 | 14:30 | 17:25 |
Hospital | 08:18 | 10:18 | 12:38 | 14:38 | 17:33 |
Northam | 08:27 | 10:27 | 12:47 | 14:47 | 17:41 |

No Saturday or Sunday service.
Route 331 - Northam South Circular

Route Description:
R Peel, L Wellington East, R Gairdner, L Fitzgerald East/Fitzgerald West, L Glass, L Wellington West, R Parker, L Throssell, L Burgoyne, R Byfield, L East, L Northey/Edmondson, R Gregory/Selby, R Gairdner, R Wellington East, into Northam Stn.

Times of trips;

Monday-Friday
Northam | 08:40 | 10:30 | 12:50 | 14:50 | 17:45 |
Parker St| 08:49 | 10:39 | 12:59 | 14:59 | 17:54 |
Northam | 08:58 | 10:48 | 13:08 | 15:08 | 18:03 |

No Saturday or Sunday service.
Changed Required

Route 330 renumbered to Route 318.
Route 331 renumbered to Route 319.
Route 328: The 18:01 service to stop deviating via Mahogany Creek (replaced by 329 deviation).
Route 320: The 18:22 service from Mahogany Creek to stop running (replaced by 329 deviation).
Route 320: The 06:51 service from Midland Station to stop running (replaced by the 329 service).

This took me way too long to type out :lol: :lol:

Cheers! :wink:
I do quite like the idea, but I am unsure how it would go. Kind of similar to the concept of Transdev's depot in Pinjarra to service the 600.
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Pinjarra also handles a plethora of local school specials to Pinjarra SHS and other nearby schools; the dead-running saved by not constantly running back and forth from Mandurah depot must be phenomenal.
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Merc1107 wrote: Sat Aug 28, 2021 7:47 pm Pinjarra also handles a plethora of local school specials to Pinjarra SHS and other nearby schools; the dead-running saved by not constantly running back and forth from Mandurah depot must be phenomenal.
Does Pinjarra have its own organic fleet or is there a similar arrangement as Nowergup and Ellenbrook?
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Enviro 500 wrote: Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:45 pm
Merc1107 wrote: Sat Aug 28, 2021 7:47 pm Pinjarra also handles a plethora of local school specials to Pinjarra SHS and other nearby schools; the dead-running saved by not constantly running back and forth from Mandurah depot must be phenomenal.
Does Pinjarra have its own organic fleet or is there a similar arrangement as Nowergup and Ellenbrook?
No, there's no permanent fleet, though Mandurahs bus fleet rotates through there I believe.
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Never been there; not sure what facilities are or are not at PJ. Being home to only a small handful of buses though (whether set or fluidic allocation, again, not sure) I imagine they rotate in and out of Mandurah for maintenance.
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Thinking aloud in terms of what could've been done in the Western suburbs in lieu of slapping the Purple CAT on top of an existing network. I think there are a few different ways of tackling this (even "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"), so am open to all other ideas, suggestions, etc.

Before I jump into specific ideas, I think it's worth questioning just how many city-centric, CBD-terminating services are truly necessary in the Claremont area; is there scope to develop better cross-town links (as provided by the 96, 97 and 950) rather than focus on adding more routes to areas already under strain (EQ and services along The Terrace come to mind)?

Route 23:
No suggestions for this one - three trips a day in each direction suggests it caters for some niche or another that would make any changes quite unpopular.

Route 24:
The addition of the Purple CAT suggests there is some unserviced need (whether perceived or real) for a singular high frequency link between UWA, QE2 and Perth via Thomas St. More recent network reform that has seen the implementation of the 26 lends credence to this theory, so I would suggest running the 24 to basic 900-series level between UWA and Perth at the very least. Trialling a high frequency along the entire route would be worth a shot, even if it only ends up proving that Nedlands residents prefer their Alfas, Land-Rovers and Ferraris.

I'd also suggest the 24 take Milligan Street to travel at least as far as Perth Busport, if not further along Wellington St towards East Perth. With additional bus stops places on Milligan St, this would permit interchange with the Red & Yellow CATs, in addition to the possibility of interchange with the train and bus services at Perth Busport. Passengers travelling to EQ or further along the Terrace would have the option of changing to a Blue/Green CAT or 935 along Malcolm Street. If the lack of transfers up the Terrace at night were a worry - perhaps an extension to East Perth from the Busport could be warranted.

Route 25:
Changing this to a Shenton Park feeder seems like a reasonable step forward. If access to Hollywood Hospital were an issue - I'd propose a short-working service to double services levels (i.e. to 30mins) in the daytime. Passengers have access to the train network (which will soon run very frequently through Shenton Park), and same-stop interchange at QE2 with the 24s.

Route 26 / 103:
The aforementioned improvements to the 24 and 25 make the 26 redundant.

SmartRider data would need to be used to assess where passengers are travelling along the 103, and whether the 995, 998 or 999 would adequately service this need and allow removal of the 103.

Route 96 / 97:
Both of these seem to be or will be important services. Perhaps the 97 could have weekend services again once the Airport line is completed, given the high frequency of trains that will run through Shenton Park. Not sure if the 96 could justify weekend service, particularly if the 950 or even what I've proposed for the 24 is taken into account.

Route 950:
Extensions to Shenton Park Station, or even Brockway Road/Lemnos Street (to service the two Claremont contract depots). Rationale being to provide an additional link to Shenton Park for the areas the 950 services, alleviating any layover constraints at QE2, reducing out-of-service running and providing a service that could serve as staff transport.

The latter point on staff transport is optimistic - but given the raging success of the 950, the number of areas it connects and the frequency with which it does so, the 950 is best-placed to serve as a trial for sustainable transport to and from work for bus drivers. If it doesn't work on the 950 ... it probably won't work anywhere (except maybe Palmyra, given the size of that depot).
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Merc1107 wrote: Sun Mar 06, 2022 9:41 pm Thinking aloud in terms of what could've been done in the Western suburbs in lieu of slapping the Purple CAT on top of an existing network. I think there are a few different ways of tackling this (even "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"), so am open to all other ideas, suggestions, etc.

Before I jump into specific ideas, I think it's worth questioning just how many city-centric, CBD-terminating services are truly necessary in the Claremont area; is there scope to develop better cross-town links (as provided by the 96, 97 and 950) rather than focus on adding more routes to areas already under strain (EQ and services along The Terrace come to mind)?

Route 23:
No suggestions for this one - three trips a day in each direction suggests it caters for some niche or another that would make any changes quite unpopular.

Route 24:
The addition of the Purple CAT suggests there is some unserviced need (whether perceived or real) for a singular high frequency link between UWA, QE2 and Perth via Thomas St. More recent network reform that has seen the implementation of the 26 lends credence to this theory, so I would suggest running the 24 to basic 900-series level between UWA and Perth at the very least. Trialling a high frequency along the entire route would be worth a shot, even if it only ends up proving that Nedlands residents prefer their Alfas, Land-Rovers and Ferraris.

I'd also suggest the 24 take Milligan Street to travel at least as far as Perth Busport, if not further along Wellington St towards East Perth. With additional bus stops places on Milligan St, this would permit interchange with the Red & Yellow CATs, in addition to the possibility of interchange with the train and bus services at Perth Busport. Passengers travelling to EQ or further along the Terrace would have the option of changing to a Blue/Green CAT or 935 along Malcolm Street. If the lack of transfers up the Terrace at night were a worry - perhaps an extension to East Perth from the Busport could be warranted.

Route 25:
Changing this to a Shenton Park feeder seems like a reasonable step forward. If access to Hollywood Hospital were an issue - I'd propose a short-working service to double services levels (i.e. to 30mins) in the daytime. Passengers have access to the train network (which will soon run very frequently through Shenton Park), and same-stop interchange at QE2 with the 24s.

Route 26 / 103:
The aforementioned improvements to the 24 and 25 make the 26 redundant.

SmartRider data would need to be used to assess where passengers are travelling along the 103, and whether the 995, 998 or 999 would adequately service this need and allow removal of the 103.

Route 96 / 97:
Both of these seem to be or will be important services. Perhaps the 97 could have weekend services again once the Airport line is completed, given the high frequency of trains that will run through Shenton Park. Not sure if the 96 could justify weekend service, particularly if the 950 or even what I've proposed for the 24 is taken into account.

Route 950:
Extensions to Shenton Park Station, or even Brockway Road/Lemnos Street (to service the two Claremont contract depots). Rationale being to provide an additional link to Shenton Park for the areas the 950 services, alleviating any layover constraints at QE2, reducing out-of-service running and providing a service that could serve as staff transport.

The latter point on staff transport is optimistic - but given the raging success of the 950, the number of areas it connects and the frequency with which it does so, the 950 is best-placed to serve as a trial for sustainable transport to and from work for bus drivers. If it doesn't work on the 950 ... it probably won't work anywhere (except maybe Palmyra, given the size of that depot).
23 can be replaced with trip deviations on 995.

995, in turn, is suitable to be integrated with 970.

103 could start from Busport and travel along Wellington Street.

26 would be much more useful if it were to merge with the future 270 to form a Hollywood-High Wycombe through service.

On another note, 507 may need a 900 series upgrade when Armadale line closes for major upgrading work. Once demand peters out, it can be quietly downgraded like the former 920 and 940. The proposed truncation of 282 and 283 should also be deferred until Oats Street station is rebuilt.
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Enviro 500 wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 1:38 am
23 can be replaced with trip deviations on 995.
That's a pretty huge deviation, what is the point of renumbering it to 995 when it doesn't follow the 995 route for half its length? That will just lead to confusion.
Enviro 500 wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 1:38 am
995, in turn, is suitable to be integrated with 970.
What do you mean by 'is suitable to be integrated'?
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Remember my proposed 23/970 merger that was supposed to be held in tandem with 103 being rerouted to Wellington Street and 102 being extended to WACA?
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No, and I'm not sure how it's relevant to the questions I asked anyway
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