PTA / Transperth Service Changes - 2021

[busdriver12]

i am bit surpirse that stirling highway get 9xx series given that they already had circle route. Also i wonder will other coridor like Great Eastern Hwy Service get 9xx or not

The Circle Route is a limited stops service so an all stops service be it 103 or 995 is still required.

[TP1462]

Jarrahdale is getting a boost in services!

Sadly, no return trips yet.

Cheers!

That page has been pulled from the web site - what did it say?

This should explain as to why it was canned




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[Merc1107]

i am bit surpirse that stirling highway get 9xx series given that they already had circle route. Also i wonder will other coridor like Great Eastern Hwy Service get 9xx or not

The Circle Route is a limited stops service so an all stops service be it 103 or 995 is still required.

From memory, the Circle services most, if not all stops along Stirling Hwy these days.
That said it's service span and frequency is definitely not that great (outside of peaks) and needs supplementing with another route.

This change really only simplifies the 102/107 into one route versus the combination of short and full length trips we see at present. Only weekends get a service boost by the looks, which is a step in the right direction at least.

[busdriver12]

This should explain as to why it was canned

Thanks for that - I wonder what those issues were?

[Enviro 500]

From the outset, 995 looks like a rich man's version of 930. Also, 23 is pretty much redundant and could be replaced by trip deviations on 995. Even better if 995 could start from the Busport.

[Bus Suggestions]

This should explain as to why it was canned

Thanks for that - I wonder what those issues were?

Primarily community backlash regarding safety and that their kids now have to walk, as orange school buses would no longer operate. Article for reference.

[busdriver12]

Timetables updated:

• Bus Timetable 21
• Bus Timetable 31, 32, 33, 41, 44
• Bus Timetable 69
• Bus Timetable 106
• Bus Timetable 202, 213

Those links come up as 404 - maybe they were pulled some time after your posting.

[Merc1107]

Timetables updated:

• Bus Timetable 21
• Bus Timetable 31, 32, 33, 41, 44
• Bus Timetable 69
• Bus Timetable 106
• Bus Timetable 202, 213

Those links come up as 404 - maybe they were pulled some time after your posting.

I tried looking for a 995 timetable yesterday to no avail - probably haven't been uploaded yet.

[shinjiman]

Those links come up as 404 - maybe they were pulled some time after your posting.

Probably those new timetables will be available on Thursday a week before the actual effective date.

[Mr OC Benz]

The timetables are uploaded now and can be accessed by the above links from shinjiman.

[shinjiman]

From the outset, 995 looks like a rich man's version of 930. Also, 23 is pretty much redundant and could be replaced by trip deviations on 995. Even better if 995 could start from the Busport.

Looks like the portion of 72/75 between EQBS and Curtin Uni Bus Station may potentially evolve into a High Frequency Bus Route, let say maybe given a route number as 920 or 925 in my view.

[PaxInfo]

Looks like the portion of 72/75 between EQBS and Curtin Uni Bus Station may potentially evolve into a High Frequency Bus Route, let say maybe given a route number as 920 or 925 in my view.

Potentially. That would give Curtin two 900-series routes from the CBD rather than one. But Mirrabooka also has two. Both Mirrabooka's routes are quite direct from the CBD whereas the upgraded 72 would be less direct and more a local route, although it serves high density areas through Berwick St. A problem with it though is that, unlike the 960, it is not convenient for the main shopping areas in Vic Park. 25-30 years ago the 72 series used to need articulated buses but I suspect that usage now is lower since the Mandurah line and bus reform opened up other travel options, not to mention the 960.

But assuming that 72 and 75 is consolidated there is the question of what to do with the tail end of it.

Maybe something like this:

Perth - Curtin Uni 920 (Frequent superbus replacing 72/75)

Curtin - Cannington 72: Consider replacing with 101 extended to Cannington with modifications in Bentley so it's more like 100 with it no longer running via Manning Rd near the campus (problem here is it leaves a portion of Manning Rd near the campus with only the 30). A further consolidation might see 100/101 become a 900 series route but this might be too far given the spread out location of stops around Bentley. And it might not sustain a frequent night service (although dense development at Cannington and the Brownlie Towers site might improve its prospects).

Curtin - Canning Vale 75: Replace with one of the CBD routes that finish at Curtin. Maybe 33 extended south?

201 Curtin Uni - Cannington: Only has unique coverage near Bentley Hospital. Consider deleting route. Maintain coverage by rerouting 34 via 201 alignment to Carousel (via hospital, Queens Park, Cannington Station). Yes, 34 would become a bit less direct but only for Carousel travellers. Reform here would simplify the network and give Bentley Hospital more of a service from more directions. And Albany Hwy is adequately served with 930 etc. An alternative (which would cut back on dead-end termini) could be to extend 177 to Cannington via hospital.

[Enviro 500]

I believe major changes to 72/75 can only happen if Kalamunda, Canning and Southern River are run as a single command area akin to Claremont, Marmion and Joondalup. Because if 75 is reduced to Curtin University-Canning Vale (Ranford) station, it is best operated from CVDEP.

All the same, the common sectors of 72/75 are similar to the Cambridge Street portions of 81-85 or the Wanneroo Road portions of 384-389.

[Merc1107]

A couple of other upcoming changes.
According to this part of the 2019 Service Changes thread, the high-frequency of the 425 at certain times (e.g. Saturday morning) may have been targeted towards construction workers as Karrinyup Shopping Centre underwent expansion. I seem to recall there being a funding dispute over Routes 423 and 425 (PerthNow Article), so perhaps these changes not only reflect completion of construction, but also this other issue?

Route 425 - Service Change
Sun 18 Jul
From Sunday 18 July Route 425 will undergo a number of time changes.

A number of short trips (running between Stirling Station and Karrinyup Bus Station) will be withdrawn on weekdays and Saturdays. This includes some early morning services.

There will be no changes to the full trips running between Stirling and Warwick stations.

For further assistance or to plan your journey call the Transperth InfoLine on 13 62 13 (TIS: 13 14 50) Hearing or speech impaired? Call via NRS 133 677 and ask for 13 62 13.

Route 586 Service Change
Mon 19 Jul
From Monday 19 July, Route 586 will undergo a minor timetable change.

The 3.09pm trip departing from John Tonkin College and travelling to Mandurah Station will be withdrawn due to poor patronage.

Passengers can instead catch Route 586 at 3.06pm or Route 587 at 3.16pm.

For further assistance or to plan your journey call the Transperth InfoLine on 13 62 13 (TIS: 13 14 50) Hearing or speech impaired? Call via NRS 133 677 and ask for 13 62 13.

[Merc1107]

Looks like the portion of 72/75 between EQBS and Curtin Uni Bus Station may potentially evolve into a High Frequency Bus Route, let say maybe given a route number as 920 or 925 in my view.

Potentially. That would give Curtin two 900-series routes from the CBD rather than one. But Mirrabooka also has two. Both Mirrabooka's routes are quite direct from the CBD whereas the upgraded 72 would be less direct and more a local route, although it serves high density areas through Berwick St.

While I like the idea, it depends how well this would fit the 900-series criteria.
It also raises the question, to what extent will the 900-series route concept be pushed; will every service meeting the requisite criteria be renumbered? Or will the concept be kept exclusively for major thoroughfares as is (largely) the case now?

For example, there are already several routes, the 34, 60 and 507 which largely meet the criteria for a high-frequency route number, yet have not been renumbered. If they were improved (renumbered), yet patronage began to fall - would the route number have to revert back (which occurred with the 920 and 940)?

Curtin - Cannington 72: Consider replacing with 101 extended to Cannington with modifications in Bentley so it's more like 100 with it no longer running via Manning Rd near the campus (problem here is it leaves a portion of Manning Rd near the campus with only the 30). A further consolidation might see 100/101 become a 900 series route but this might be too far given the spread out location of stops around Bentley. And it might not sustain a frequent night service (although dense development at Cannington and the Brownlie Towers site might improve its prospects).

Curtin - Canning Vale 75: Replace with one of the CBD routes that finish at Curtin. Maybe 33 extended south?

201 Curtin Uni - Cannington: Only has unique coverage near Bentley Hospital. Consider deleting route. Maintain coverage by rerouting 34 via 201 alignment to Carousel (via hospital, Queens Park, Cannington Station). Yes, 34 would become a bit less direct but only for Carousel travellers. Reform here would simplify the network and give Bentley Hospital more of a service from more directions. And Albany Hwy is adequately served with 930 etc. An alternative (which would cut back on dead-end termini) could be to extend 177 to Cannington via hospital.

When Canning Bridge does eventually get a proper bus interchange, it will be interesting to see if the 100/101 also sees an upgrade to a high-frequency route, or if the two are sufficiently different that they would be retained.

Replacing the 72 could even be done with a distinct Curtin - Canning Vale service as opposed to extending another route, although either seems like a reasonable option. Enviro500 does mention the valid problem of the 75 terminus being in an awkward place relative to the depots that service it. Aside from having one operator running the contracts in that general region, it could also make sense to change the contract that operates this route in future to mitigate the problem. Is it really a serious enough problem to warrant any change to the status-quo, though?

The case of the 201 is interesting. Judging by the timetable, there isn't any great need for the service, so it's hard to say how well rerouting or extending other services would work. It might just be the 201 was setup to provide that specific community need without much regard for how popular it could be otherwise.

[pasha241]

Potentially. That would give Curtin two 900-series routes from the CBD rather than one. But Mirrabooka also has two. Both Mirrabooka's routes are quite direct from the CBD whereas the upgraded 72 would be less direct and more a local route, although it serves high density areas through Berwick St. A problem with it though is that, unlike the 960, it is not convenient for the main shopping areas in Vic Park.

remember there are 935 which not a direct route. Also remember the passangers of 72/75 and 960 is different. 960 is for Wellington passangers while 72/75 is for st george tce.

Perth - Curtin Uni 920 (Frequent superbus replacing 72/75)

Curtin - Cannington 72: Consider replacing with 101 extended to Cannington with modifications in Bentley so it's more like 100 with it no longer running via Manning Rd near the campus (problem here is it leaves a portion of Manning Rd near the campus with only the 30).

TBH i dont think that 72 shortenen to curtin it should merge other route. i think just leave it is better.

For example, there are already several routes, the 34, 60 and 507 which largely meet the criteria for a high-frequency route number, yet have not been renumbered. If they were improved (renumbered), yet patronage began to fall - would the route number have to revert back (which occurred with the 920 and 940)?

yeah i must to say there are some route that meet criteria high frequency. and there are some high frequency route that not operate much on the weekend (Route 555, 588/589) but these route is not in 9xx at all. Also i realize that they still kept 955 number and not renumbered to 3xx even though this route is not high freqency


i agree with Enviro (although i prever not talk about previous contract area). 75 should not operated by path because the route is way far of their contract area. also for me they should change the 75 rather than near canning vale depo it should move maybe around livingstone (like the 656 one). maybe the patronage will grow and hopefully they can increase sunday service to 1 hour


BTW speaking of new HF bus route i am surprise nobody or PTA not planning to make portion of Perth - Redliffe (Via Gt Eastern Highway) of 36/40/296/299 intro High Frequency route.

[Traklink]

The case of the 201 is interesting. Judging by the timetable, there isn't any great need for the service, so it's hard to say how well rerouting or extending other services would work. It might just be the 201 was setup to provide that specific community need without much regard for how popular it could be otherwise.

The 201 was introduced (between Bentley and Cannington only at first) to retain a limited service at Bentley Hospital when the 34 was extended to Cannington. Before this time the Curtin - Cannington link was provided (at a much more limited frequency) by routes 180 and 181, which effectively ran as a single route with certain trips (route 180) deviating via the hospital while others (181) bypassed it - presumably Transperth judged at the time that adding such a deviation to the replacement 34 wouldn't have attracted enough patronage to justify the delays caused. The 201 was extended to Curtin Uni more than a decade later following lobbying to reinstate a direct link from the nearly retirement village to the hospital - initially as a trial and later formalised with extra trips via ACTIV Industries.

BTW speaking of new HF bus route i am surprise nobody or PTA not planning to make portion of Perth - Redliffe (Via Gt Eastern Highway) of 36/40/296/299 intro High Frequency route.

Surely they'd be doing something like this when the Airport Line eventually opens?

[Merc1107]

Surely they'd be doing something like this when the Airport Line eventually opens?

Well, there is this post.

[Enviro 500]

Potentially. That would give Curtin two 900-series routes from the CBD rather than one. But Mirrabooka also has two. Both Mirrabooka's routes are quite direct from the CBD whereas the upgraded 72 would be less direct and more a local route, although it serves high density areas through Berwick St. A problem with it though is that, unlike the 960, it is not convenient for the main shopping areas in Vic Park.

remember there are 935 which not a direct route. Also remember the passangers of 72/75 and 960 is different. 960 is for Wellington passangers while 72/75 is for st george tce.

Perth - Curtin Uni 920 (Frequent superbus replacing 72/75)

Curtin - Cannington 72: Consider replacing with 101 extended to Cannington with modifications in Bentley so it's more like 100 with it no longer running via Manning Rd near the campus (problem here is it leaves a portion of Manning Rd near the campus with only the 30).

TBH i dont think that 72 shortenen to curtin it should merge other route. i think just leave it is better.

For example, there are already several routes, the 34, 60 and 507 which largely meet the criteria for a high-frequency route number, yet have not been renumbered. If they were improved (renumbered), yet patronage began to fall - would the route number have to revert back (which occurred with the 920 and 940)?

yeah i must to say there are some route that meet criteria high frequency. and there are some high frequency route that not operate much on the weekend (Route 555, 588/589) but these route is not in 9xx at all. Also i realize that they still kept 955 number and not renumbered to 3xx even though this route is not high freqency


i agree with Enviro (although i prever not talk about previous contract area). 75 should not operated by path because the route is way far of their contract area. also for me they should change the 75 rather than near canning vale depo it should move maybe around livingstone (like the 656 one). maybe the patronage will grow and hopefully they can increase sunday service to 1 hour


BTW speaking of new HF bus route i am surprise nobody or PTA not planning to make portion of Perth - Redliffe (Via Gt Eastern Highway) of 36/40/296/299 intro High Frequency route.

I think the 75 may have its terminus relocated to the future Ranford station once the Cockburn Link is operational. Meanwhile, 506 could be extended to Nicholson station and hopefully converted to a daytime weekday service instead of just a peak hour one like it is now.

[Merc1107]

Meanwhile, 506 could be extended to Nicholson station and hopefully converted to a daytime weekday service instead of just a peak hour one like it is now.

I realise we're probably going off-topic discussing this, but that's an interesting point. Would doing so necessitate curtailing 507 frequency or could the 506 run every 30-60mins and not harm patronage on the 507?

In the past my observations of 506s and 507s at Bull Creek during the peaks (and even off-peak) suggest both are very well-utilised services.

[TP1462]

The 75 & 506 extensions are no brainers if I remember correctly *brains trust* the 506 terminus has always been High road due to roundabout at Nicholson pre new Nicholson road TCL bridge now that the Garden/Yale/Nicholson roundabout exists it should logically be extended to Canningvale East station
The 75 is obvious because there’s nowhere safely for buses to turn around on Ranford road so it’s just easier for it to turn around on Depot road
The 523 should also be extended to Nicholson road via Jandakot road however that should be a few more years away at least whilst the area grows a bit more


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[Enviro 500]

The 75 & 506 extensions are no brainers if I remember correctly *brains trust* the 506 terminus has always been High road due to roundabout at Nicholson pre new Nicholson road TCL bridge now that the Garden/Yale/Nicholson roundabout exists it should logically be extended to Canningvale East station
The 75 is obvious because there’s nowhere safely for buses to turn around on Ranford road so it’s just easier for it to turn around on Depot road
The 523 should also be extended to Nicholson road via Jandakot road however that should be a few more years away at least whilst the area grows a bit more


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171/3/5 used to terminate in Market City. Anyway, I think I'm gonna stop here as we've deviated from topic far enough. If anything we'll take this discussion to general thread.

[Zidanehartono]

Between 23rd-25th July and 31st July-1st August, there will be a planned rail line closure between Rockingham and Mandurah to facilitate works on the Lakelands Station Project on these weekends.

[Traklink]

Weekday deviations of route 67 via April Rd will now be retained:

Route 67 - Updated

UPDATE: Route 67 will undergo the following changes as planned:

Timetable changes
A small number of full trips will be withdrawn
One additional afternoon service on school days departing from Drake St, adjacent to John Forrest Secondary College at 3.12pm travelling to Mirrabooka
Deviations via Cottonwood Cr will be removed

The following change will no longer go ahead:

Deviations to April Rd are no longer being withdrawn. Route 67 will continue to deviate at the following times:
Departing Mirrabooka Bus Station at 7.26am
Departing Perth Busport at 3.33pm.

These deviations will appear in JourneyPlanner and on a new 106 Timetable from Sunday 8 August, until this time they will continue to run however will not appear in the JourneyPlanner or on the timetable.

https://www.transperth.wa.gov.au/Servic ... 90-and-950

[Zidanehartono]

Weekday deviations of route 67 via April Rd will now be retained

I'm surprised that there was an amendment to the changes given that I've filmed what was to be the last bus to travel that route yesterday.