PTA / Transperth & Private Observations - 2020

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That's a really tight turn for the 60. The drivers often turn left on to Newcastle from the right lane of Beaufort St. Driver probably hasn't seen cyclist and cyclist hasn't realised the bus was turning left. Intersection needs to be upgraded (same for Newcastle and William) or the new 60 routing needs to be reconsidered.
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I was in Perth September 21-Oct 1 and among my observations which will be of no surprise to any of you: :wink:

1. A LOT of artics running on the 950, even into the evening... and yes, I know it's because of the UWA extension... plus the occasional artic on the 67/68 & 48, if I recall correctly.

2. As I don't pay much attention to this thread, I haven't seen any mentions of buses in the 31xx range, but I did see a couple of those, again used on the 950.
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pasha241 wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 9:04 pm A cyclist has been hit by a bus and killed on the corner of Beaufort St and Newcastle St.

https://www.facebook.com/9NewsPerth/pho ... 608742437/.
RIP to the cyclist. As subsequently mentioned, the turn is rather tight. I forsee another PTA inquiry and a bus driver facing manslaughter charges.
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bullswool wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 10:28 pm That's a really tight turn for the 60. The drivers often turn left on to Newcastle from the right lane of Beaufort St. Driver probably hasn't seen cyclist and cyclist hasn't realised the bus was turning left. Intersection needs to be upgraded (same for Newcastle and William) or the new 60 routing needs to be reconsidered.
Hopefully a PTA inquiry will be convened soon to look into this.
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esperanceguy47 wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:41 pm I was in Perth September 21-Oct 1 and among my observations which will be of no surprise to any of you: :wink:

1. A LOT of artics running on the 950, even into the evening... and yes, I know it's because of the UWA extension... plus the occasional artic on the 67/68 & 48, if I recall correctly.

2. As I don't pay much attention to this thread, I haven't seen any mentions of buses in the 31xx range, but I did see a couple of those, again used on the 950.
Yep, artics are typically prioritised on the 950 and then other Perth-Morley region routes. 3100s have been around since last year, 3100-3102 were the last original B8 artics delivered to Swan. I have heard that there will be a new batch of artics starting with 3103 to be delivered late this year or early next year.
I'd post any important, bus-related links I had, but they're outdated anyways.
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Bus Suggestions wrote:
esperanceguy47 wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:41 pm I was in Perth September 21-Oct 1 and among my observations which will be of no surprise to any of you: :wink:

1. A LOT of artics running on the 950, even into the evening... and yes, I know it's because of the UWA extension... plus the occasional artic on the 67/68 & 48, if I recall correctly.

2. As I don't pay much attention to this thread, I haven't seen any mentions of buses in the 31xx range, but I did see a couple of those, again used on the 950.
Yep, artics are typically prioritised on the 950 and then other Perth-Morley region routes. 3100s have been around since last year, 3100-3102 were the last original B8 artics delivered to Swan. I have heard that there will be a new batch of artics starting with 3103 to be delivered late this year or early next year.
Yeah as part of the metronet expansion and growth so we will have around 200 artics it probably includes replacement for the 3 CNG demos given PTA are phasing out CNG


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I don't think the three CNG demos will be completely replaced for another 8 or so years, given they were delivered 2007-2009, they should still have some life left in them. That being said, they don't seem to have gone through a mid-life refurb as of yet, although it would be prime time now.
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TP1462 wrote: Wed Oct 07, 2020 11:56 am
Bus Suggestions wrote:
Yep, artics are typically prioritised on the 950 and then other Perth-Morley region routes. 3100s have been around since last year, 3100-3102 were the last original B8 artics delivered to Swan. I have heard that there will be a new batch of artics starting with 3103 to be delivered late this year or early next year.
Yeah as part of the metronet expansion and growth so we will have around 200 artics it probably includes replacement for the 3 CNG demos given PTA are phasing out CNG


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The next available rego numbers for bendies are 3103-3199 (97 units), meaning the next batch of 103 must be from 3300 onwards considering 3200s range is used for rigids by Swan Transit.
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Route 950 is contractually mandated to operate articulated buses on selected trips. As far as I'm aware, this currently extends to the majority of full length trips on weekdays.

All other routes (and non-mandated artic 950 trips) that articulated buses appear on is up to the operator's discretion. They can prioritise the trips that are operated by articulated buses, according to patronage, scheduling efficiencies etc.
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bullswool wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 10:28 pm That's a really tight turn for the 60. The drivers often turn left on to Newcastle from the right lane of Beaufort St. Driver probably hasn't seen cyclist and cyclist hasn't realised the bus was turning left. Intersection needs to be upgraded (same for Newcastle and William) or the new 60 routing needs to be reconsidered.
It's called 'straddling' and is a perfectly legal manoeuvre for a heavy vehicle to make. Unfortunately other road users are often completely ignorant of the rules and often become irate when heavy vehicles perform such a manoeuvre.

As I wasn't there, though, I cannot speculate who was at fault - and neither should anyone else without the actual facts available.
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Volvo delivers 1,000th Transperth bus for Perth network

Wednesday, 7 October 2020

Volvo Australia delivers 1,000th Volvo Transperth bus to the Public Transport Authority
Marks decade-long association with Volvo, with first supply contract signed in 2010
Up to 900 Volvo buses to be delivered to PTA between 2019 and 2029
Will also deliver first electric CAT buses to be trialled on Joondalup route in early 2022
Supporting local WA jobs throughout the supply chain
The 1,000th Transperth bus built by Volvo Australia was delivered to the Public Transport Authority (PTA) today, marking 10 years of association with the company.

Assembled at manufacturing partner Volgren's Malaga factory, the Euro 6 (an emission rating), diesel Volvo B8RLE will be rolled out on the Transperth bus network later this week.

PTA's association with Volvo Australia goes back to 2010, when the company was awarded the contract to deliver 912 buses, all of which were built locally at Volgren using Volvo designs and chassis.

The second $549 million contract with Volvo involves up to 900 additional buses delivered between 2019 and 2029, including four high-tech battery-electric vehicles which will be trialled on the Joondalup CAT service from 2022.

In partnership with local manufacturer Volgren, Volvo will deliver eight new buses a month for the next decade under the milestone agreement.

The bus chassis will be built at Volvo's headquarters in Sweden, before being delivered to Volgren. The local manufacturer will then build the bus body and fit-out the vehicles to be ready for service.

The contract secures the jobs of 81 local Volgren employees, and a further 80 throughout the local supply chain. Under the new contract, Volgren also plan on increasing local fabrication and securing a local sub component manufacturer.

Comments attributed to Transport Minister Rita Saffioti:

"The partnership between the PTA, Volvo Australia and Volgren is a perfect example of how government can support both local and international business investment, creating high-quality products locally, while also creating jobs and opportunities.

"Transperth buses are comfortable, environmentally-friendly and a great way to get around our growing city.

"With a number of METRONET projects in delivery, bus services provide an important link between new railway lines and people's homes and workplaces.

"And with the new Joondalup electric CAT trial set to begin in early 2022, I look forward to seeing how these buses - which will be a first for Volvo - will move Transperth services into the future by using sustainable technologies."

https://www.mediastatements.wa.gov.au/P ... twork.aspx


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TP1462 wrote: Wed Oct 07, 2020 3:17 pm Volvo delivers 1,000th Transperth bus for Perth network
Looks likely that the Bus 2974 was the 1000th Volvo Bus to get into the service for PTA.

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Spotted 1867 down at cannington, possibly on loan to welshpool
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Well done on the milestone. It is a great era.
I feel that the TP2974 will go to Transdev but which depot will it go to?
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Shoudy Chen wrote: Wed Oct 07, 2020 7:34 pm Well done on the milestone. It is a great era.
I feel that the TP2974 will go to Transdev but which depot will it go to?
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I thought Volvo dealership was on Orrong Road in Welshpool? Anyway I believe the CR226s are due for retirement soon.
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Enviro 500 wrote: Wed Oct 07, 2020 9:48 pm Anyway I believe the CR226s are due for retirement soon.
You'd be right, though there's only 30 NHs left so you could say they're pretty much all due for retirement soon.
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Squiddy wrote: Wed Oct 07, 2020 10:08 pm
Enviro 500 wrote: Wed Oct 07, 2020 9:48 pm Anyway I believe the CR226s are due for retirement soon.
You'd be right, though there's only 30 NHs left so you could say they're pretty much all due for retirement soon.
Does this include those out in the bush? I think there are about 10 in the Goldfields and several more scattered over the south coast.
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Enviro 500 wrote: Wed Oct 07, 2020 11:45 pm
Squiddy wrote: Wed Oct 07, 2020 10:08 pm

You'd be right, though there's only 30 NHs left so you could say they're pretty much all due for retirement soon.
Does this include those out in the bush? I think there are about 10 in the Goldfields and several more scattered over the south coast.
There's approximately 90 odd NH's still in service across Transperth/TransRegional.
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Yeah there's about another 50ish out in the country too, but withdrawals out there don't follow a consistent pattern like the Transperth ones do. I presumed we were talking about Perth ones, anyway.
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2974 delivered to Rockingham, spotto'd in the yard today
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Last week I saw TP2378 (with the Airport livery) operating the Route 34. It was very strange why the bus with the special livery operating the Route 34. Normally buses with the airport livery operate on Airport routes including Route 40, 380 and 935.
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Due to the cut of services on the 380 due to Covid19, the Airport buses (2377-80 and 2707/13) are being used on shifts which mainly go to the airport on the 40 and 935. Due to this, they'll be seen on odd services. Other things to consider include; no other buses in the yard when the driver started their shift, or a bus had broken down, and the replacement was 2378.

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I've seen an airport livery bus on 75 last year. Really had to do a double take. Also spotted a NH on 930 that same day.
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Operational requirements sometimes mean that buses assigned to special running have to be used elsewhere.

A prime example of this, is its not uncommon to see a Dolphin on normal road running. Saw Dolphin 3 on a 549 a few Saturdays ago.

Another good one was 731 running 10's one morning in Joondalup.

The matter of the Bus vs Cyclist should not be being discussed on this forum. It's for unusual movements, not reporting accidents. Furthermore, to the person who suggested the bus driver will be facing manslaughter charges, do you actually drive buses, or any other kind of heavy vehicle or are you at least licensed to? Or did you witness the accident first hand? If not, then perhaps it's not a good idea to speculate.

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