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I thought I'd see if others had any plans like I have, for revisiting the much-maligned overhaul of the Adelaide Bus Network. Overall I found it to be quite positive, and just needed a few tweaks here and there to fill in a number of the gaps it left. So with my time at home, I went to task adjusting the routes as I saw them. Feel free to add your own observations on here too. Below is the overview of the network as a whole. I will also post basic route descriptions and a bit of an explanation on some of the changes. You may need to save the image to zoom in - it is quite detailed!

Basically, I liked the re-numbering and getting rid of the old number/letter combos. I also like the fact that routes keep their number from one side of the city to the other - it saves drivers having to change mid-route and encourages more regular cross-city routes. I also joined a number of the more minor routes together to provide more single-seat rides, which allow for more connections to other services, ie a single service from North Haven to West Lakes, from Marion to Stirling and made many of the routes around Aberfoyle Park and Hallett Cove extensions of their nearby go-zones.

Secondly, I felt that the need to make all go-zones a single route was restricting the network too much. You can see evidence of where a 'nearby' go-zone meant a whole suburb lost its route (ie the south eastern suburbs). It also meant that routes lost their flexibility around the end-point. (Ie Western routes may have ended at West Lakes/Henley Sq/Port Adelaide, so you had a greater choice of destination from that one trunk route when heading away from the city). So my proposal re-introduces a number of minor routes that provide a high-frequency trunk route, but still branch at the outer end.

I have also re-introduced many of the express services that the new proposal removed. You need these services in place to help provide quicker journey times to the connecting services at the other end. I have tried to simplify them by removing F routes so they can be truly express. I also went one step further and replaced the old T prefix with L for Limited stop routes. This is far more widely known than Transit-Link routes (whose name I haven't heard for many years).

Finally, I have definitely ignored the current service contract boundaries to design this network. The Government own these boundaries, so can do whatever they like to them (when out of contract, that is). I don't think we should be restricted by them, so you will definitely notice some unusual routes that may not be possible under the current contracts. However, I have tried to stay within the bounds of the resources we currently have (roughly), so it's not a complete imaginary what-if network.


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Through Routes:


O-Bahn

1/10 – Golden Grove SC to Airport via Ladywood Rd, TTP, O-Bahn, City and Sir Donald Bradman Dr
1 – Elizabeth RS to Airport via Main North Rd, Lyell McEwin, Main North Rd, The Grove Way
10 – Golden Grove to Harbour Town via Burbridge Rd, Rio Vista Ave
100 – Glenelg to City via Military Rd, Rio Vista Ave, Burbridge Rd, Henley Beach Rd (Peak only)

2/X2 – Greenwith to Marion SC via Golden Grove Rd, The Golden Way, Golden Grove SC, TTP, O-Bahn, City, Marion Rd
X2 – Express city to Anzac Hwy/Marion Rd (Peak only in place of 2)
L2 – Greenwith to city Limited stop Golden Grove SC to TTP (Peak only in parallel with 2. 2 terminates at Golden Grove in Peak)

3 – Greenwith to Marion SC via Hancock Rd, TTP, O-Bahn, City, Goodwood Rd, Flinders Uni and MC

4 – Salisbury RS to West Lakes via Bridge Rd, Walkeys Rd, Paradise, O-Bahn, City, Port Rd, West lakes Bvd
X4 – City to West Lakes. Express city to Findon Rd (Peak only in parallel with 4)

5/6 – Para Hills to Seaton via Ingle Farm, Hampstead Rd, Klemzig, O-Bahn, City, Grange Rd, Frederick Rd
5 – TTP to West Lakes via Milne Rd
6 – Salisbury to Port Adelaide via Salisbury Hwy, Parafield RS, Para Hills

Shifting Greenwith service to the 2 from the 3, like the current J2 to allow direct one-seat route to the city/TTP. Reintroducing direct service to West Beach and to Elizabeth, but using the old M44 route to maintain Greenwith Go-Zone. Peak-only 100 to serve Henley Beach Rd to allow for an express service to West Lakes. 5/6 Split at Frederick Rd to provide a service north of West Lakes Bvd. Go zone all the way to TTP not required - able to re-direct 225 and 229 to provide a direct service via the O-Bahn. Service now provided via Parafield RS. Reintroducing express services along Port Rd, Anzac Hwy and Golden Grove Rd.


Major Through-Routes

11 – Paradise to Marion SC via Oakden, Northgate, Galway Ave, City, South Rd, Beckman St, Raglan Ave, Hendrie St

12 – TTP to Marion SC via Helen Tce, North East Rd, City, Henley Beach Rd, Marion Rd, Morphett Rd, Diagonal Rd

13 – Marden to Pasadena via Sixth Ave, City, Winston Ave

14 – Paradise to Mitcham via Lower North East Rd, Payneham Rd, City, Fullarton Rd, Princes Rd

15/X15 – Paradise to Mitcham via Lower Athelstone Rd, Montacute Rd, Payneham Rd, City, Duthy St
X15 – Express city to Montacute Rd (Peak only in place of 15)
515 – Continue to city via O-Bahn (Peak only)

16 – Woodforde to Glenelg via Glen Stuart Rd, Magill Rd, City, Galway Ave, Mooringe Ave

17 – Rostrevor to Port Adelaide via Reid Ave, Glynburn Rd, The Parade, City, Crittenden Rd, Tapleys Hill Rd

18/X18 – Paradise to West Lakes via St Bernards Rd, The Parade, City, Henley Beach Rd, Seaview Rd, Sportsmans Dr
X18 – Express city to Marion Rd

19 – Blair Athol to Pasadena via Prospect Rd, City, King William Rd, Eliza Pl

Some minor route adjustments for when routes diverge - to maintain those who can be left as a single route. Reintroducing Express services along Henley Beach Rd and Payneham Rd. Winston Ave and King William Rd services to terminate at Pasadena shops - better access to shops and reduces the overkill of a go-zone adjacent the Flinders line stations. Services will be through-routed to reduce idling at Pasadena. Magill Rd services extended to Rostrevor College to provide service for the new housing development. Duthy St services extended to Mitcham for better access to shops and to maintain through-route with Fullarton Rd services.


Minor Through-Routes

20/21 – Kilburn to Paradise Klemzig to Kilburn via Walkerville Tce, City, Churchill Rd
20 Paradise to Kilburn via McLauchlan Rd
21 Paradise to Kilburn via Victor Rd

22/23 – Newton to Mitcham via Stradbroke Rd, Coorara Ave, Magill Rd, City, Unley Rd
22 – Paradise to Glenelg via Graves St, Edward St, Raglan Ave, Cliff St
23 – Athelstone to Marion SC via Quandong Ave, Gorge Rd, Springbank Rd, Bradley Gr
522 – Continue to city via O-Bahn (Peak only)
X22/X23 – Express city to Portrush Rd (Peak only in place of 22/23)

24/25 – Leabrook to Fulham Gardens via Kensington Rd, City, Ashley St, Valetta Rd
24 – Wattle Park to West Lakes via Penfold Rd, Marlborough St, Cudmore Tce, Military Rd, Corcoran Dr
25 – Burnside to Henley Beach via Glynburn Rd, Cheadle St, North St

26/27 – Glenside to St Clair via Greenhill Rd, Grant Ave, City, Hawker St, South Rd, Regency Rd, Torrens Rd
26 – Beaumont to Port Adelaide via Devereux Rd, Stirling St, Torrens Rd, Newcastle St
27 – Urrbrae to Port Adelaide via Cross Rd, Portrush Rd, St Clair Ave, Addison Rd, Grand Junction Rd

30/31/32 – Marion SC to Semaphore via Brighton Rd, Anzac Hwy, City, Torrens Rd, Hanson Rd, Grand Junction Rd, Port Adelaide, Glanville RS, Semaphore Rd
30 – Marion SC to Largs Bay via Military Rd
31 – Marion SC to West Lakes via Military Rd, Sansom Rd
32 – Marion SC to Mansfield Park via Liberty Gr, Medika Bvd (Peak only)
X30/X31 – City to Largs Bay/West Lakes. Express city to Arndale SC (Peak only)

Reintroducing services to Newcastle St, Glynburn Rd, Portrush Rd, Stirling St, Marlborough St, Military Rd, Victor Rd, Quandong Ave. Introducing services to St Clair and Urrbrae. The latter will need to return in an anti-clockwise loop due to lack of lights to turn right on Cross Rd from Waite Rd. Some ends of routes have had frequency reduced to allow for these diverging of routes. Through-routing Liberty Gr services to the city in Peak. Services continue along Torrens Rd, to align with the express services. South Rd services to pick up Hawker St and provide better distribution across the routes. Single seat go-zone from Semaphore to city via Glanville, Port Adelaide and Torrens Rd - resembling the current N254. Reintroducing Express services along Magill Rd. Unley Rd services contnue to Glenelg or Marion, maintaining single-seat services and cross-suburb routes.
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Terminating go-zones


Outer North

40 – Mawson Lakes RS to City via Mawson Lakes Bvd, Main North Rd

41 – Mawson Lakes to Elizabeth via Martins Rd, Kings Rd, Liberator Dr, Waterloo Corner Rd, Salisbury RS, Lyell McEwin, Midway Rd, Kinkaid Rd

42 – Elizabeth to Smithfield RS via Peachey Rd, President Ave, Douglas Dr (continues as 43/44)

43/44 – Smithfield RS to Blakeview via Park Lake Bvd, Main Tce (continues as 42 at Smithfield)
43 - Smithfield RS to Elizabeth via Adams Rd, Hanson Rd, Yorktown Rd
44 - Smithfield RS to Elizabeth via Somerset Gr, Turner Dr, Midway Rd

45/46 – TTP to Mawson Lakes RS via Montague Rd, Park Way
45 – TTP to Elizabeth via Salisbury Hwy, Parafield RS, Cross Keys Rd, Salisbury RS, Lyell McEwin, Philip Hwy
46 – TTP to Elizabeth via Elder Smith Rd, Main North Rd, Highfield Dr

Some big changes up north to introduce go-zones and consolidate routes. Simplified routes between Salisbury and Elizabeth to provide more frequent services. Reduced overlap of routes such as 228 and direct most routes to the railway line to reduce the number of express buses running along Main North Rd. TTP to Mawson lakes go-zone through-routed with local routes up to Salisbury and Elizabeth.


Outer North East

51 –Paradise to TTP via Nelson Rd and Kelly Rd (continues to city in peak)

52/53 – Paradise to Hope Valley via Lower North East Rd
52 – Paradise to TTP via Grand Junction Rd, Tolley Rd (continues to city in peak)
53 – Paradise to TTP via Perseverance Rd, North East Rd (continues to city in peak)

53/54 – TTP to Banksia Park via North East Rd
54 – TTP to Fairview Park via Elizabeth St, Yatala Vale Rd (continues to city in peak)

Brought back Lower North East Rd and North East Rd go-zones.


Outer South

60/61/62/63 – Marion SC to Flagstaff Hill via Flinders RS and MC, Flagstaff Rd, Black Rd
60 – Marion SC to Old Reynella via Sunnymead Dr, Hub Dr, Aberfolye Hub, Kenihans Rd, Braeside Ave
61 – Marion SC to Old Reynella via Sunnymead Dr, Hub Dr, Aberfolye Hub, Education Rd, Reynell Rd
62 – Marion SC to HIllsview via Manning Rd, Aberfoyle Hub, Easton Rd
63 – Marion SC to Chandlers Hill via Manning Rd, Aberfoyle Hub, Easton Rd, Chandlers Hill Rd

70/L70 – City to Noarlunga RS via South Rd, Flinders RS and MC, Main South Rd, Old Reynella, Main South Rd, Beach Rd
L70 – Limited Stop city to Flinders RS then all stops (all-day service)
L71 – City to Colonnades, limited Stop city to Flinders RS then all stops Main South Rd, Old Reynella, The Strand, O’Sullivan Beach Rd, Galloway Rd, Beach Rd, Noarlunga RS (Peak Only)
70 – (Nights and weekends only)
X70 – City to Noarlunga RS, limited stop city to Flinders RS then express via Southern Xwy to Old Reynella then all stops to Noarlunga RS (Peak only in place of L70)

72/73/74 – City to O’Halloran Hill via South Rd, Flinders RS and MC, Marion SC, Seacombe Rd, Ocean Bvd
72 – City to Hallett Cove South via Perry Barr Rd, Hallett Cove RS, Hallet Cove SC, Grand Central Ave
73 – City to Sheidow Park via Perry Barr Rd, Hallett Cove RS, Hallet Cove SC, Patpa Dr
74 – City to Old Reynella via Adams Rd, Young St
72/73/74 Terminate Flinders RS nights and weekends (transfer to 70)

75/76 Oaklands RS to Woodcroft CC via Marion SC, Flinders RS and MC, Bluehills Rd, Regency Rd, Investigator Dr
75 – Oaklands RS to Noarlunga RS via Flaxmill Rd, Colonnades
76 – Oaklands RS to Noarlunga RS via Panalatinga Rd, Glynville Dr, Collins Pde, Colonnades
X75 – Express Marion SC to Panalatinga P&R via Southern Expressway then limited stop to Woodcroft CC via Panalatinga Rd

721 now a go-zone the entire route, consolidated routes south of Old Reynella. Introduced peak express routes that feed directly into Flinders RS and simplified express routes (721X, T721 and T721X will all be covered by X70). New go-zone for Flagstaff Hill with routes extending out to Chandlers Hill and Reynella to provide a single-seat to Marion and one transfer to city via Flinders RS. Hallett Cove go-zone routes also continue as local routes - these routes will now transfer to the railway at Hallett Cove, rather than Hallett Cove Beach. Current 683 now hourly and via Grand Central Ave to provide quicker service to shops. New Woodcroft go-zone to Marion with connections to city at Oaklands RS.


Hills

80/82/83/84 City to Aldgate Depot via Glen Osmond Rd, South Eastern Freeway, Mt Barker Rd
80 – City to Glen Osmond (Peak Only)
82 – City to Lobethal via Balhannah, Oakbank, Woodside
83 – City to Mt Barker express via Bridgewater Interchange, South Eastern Freeway
84 – City to Mt Barker via Bridgewater, Hahndorf
L81 – City to Aldgate Depot (Peak only)
L81/L84 – Limited Stop city to Stirling (Peak only)
X82 Express city to Crafers then to Bridgewater Interchange (Peak only)
X83 Express city to Crafers then to Mt Barker (Peak only)

Go-zone extended to Aldgate by making buses all-stops along Glen Osmond Rd outside of peak. The 83 route provides a regular semi-express service to Mt Barker, but still provides high frequency service along the most populous part of the route through Stirling and Aldgate. Lobathal services now single-seat journeys to city and Stirling to help provide the frequent service. Simplified express routes in peak.
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Regular Routes


Inner Routes

98/99 – City Loop (Clockwise/anticlockwise) – Adelaide RS, King William Rd, Pennington Tce, Jeffcott St, Ward St. Hill St, Buxton St, Wellington Sq, Tynte St, Lefevre Tce, Kingston Tce, Jerningham St, Finniss St, Frome Rd, North Tce, Pultney St, Grenfell St, Hutt St, Halifax St, Sturt St, Whitmore Sq, Morphett St (optional detour into Adelaide Central bus station), North Tce, Adelaide RS
100 – Glenelg to City via West Beach and Henley Beach Rd (Peak only)
300/301 – Suburban Loop via Arndale, Klemzig, Glen Osmond, Emerson, Adelaide Airport, Findon Rd

310 – West Lakes SC to Flinders Uni via Tapleys Hill Rd, Lexington Rd, Military Rd, Glenelg, Diagonal Rd, Marion SC, Flinders MC
312 – Glenelg to Marion SC via King George Ave, Brighton RS

320 – Arndale to Mansfield Park via Liberty Gr, Medika Bvd (32 in peak)
321 – Port Adelaide to TTP via Eastern Pde, Grand Junction Rd, Reservoir Rd
322 – Port Adelaide to Mawson Lakes Uni via Port Rd, Woodville RS, Arndale, Days Rd, Grand Junction Rd, Port Wakefield Rd, Mawson Lakes RS
323 – Port Adelaide to Angle Park via 322

330 – West Lakes to North Haven via Barltey Tce, Port Adelaide, Fletcher Rd, Carnarvon Tce, Strathfield Tce, Military Rd, Victoria Rd, Osborne Rd, Lady Gowrie Dr, Australia Two Ave
331 – West Lakes to Largs Bay via 330
332 – West Lakes to North Haven via 330, detouring to ASC (Peak only)

Reimagined city loop to provide better connections with bus station, Railway station and O-Bahn routes. Suburban Loop service updated to near-original 100 loop service. Provides better connections to the Airport for Seaford Line, and South Rd routes and retains a service on Findon Rd. Permanent combined route to North Haven to replace 333/150 - through-routed to West Lakes and reintroduce ASC peak service. Reimagined north-south route from West Lakes to Flinders Uni - provides service to Henley Beach South with connections to Henley Beach Rd. Port Adelaide to TTP route via Eastern Pde, to replace 252. New route from Port Adelaide/Arndale to Mawson Lakes - reintroduces a route via Port Wakefield Rd.


Outer North

401 – Mawson Lakes to Salisbury SC via Oleander Dr, Kings Rd, Burton Rd, Winzor St, Salisbury RS
402 – Mawson Lakes RS to Golden Grove via Main North Rd, Kesters Rd, Liberman Rd, Wynn Vale Dr, The Golden Way

410 – Salisbury SC to Burton via Salisbury RS, Diment Rd, Bolivar Rd
411 – Salisbury RS to Golden Grove via Saints Rd, Target Hill Rd, Atlantis Dr
412 – Salisbury RS to Elizabeth RS via DSTO, RAAF, BAE (Peak only)
414 – Salisbury RS to Elizabeth RS via Virginia (Limited schedule)

430 – Elizabeth RS to Munno Para RS via Womma Rd, Stebonheath Rd, Peachey Rd, Newton Blvd
431 – Elizabeth RS to Munno Para RS via Woodford Rd, Hamblyn Rd, Smithfield RS, Alawoona Rd

440 – Smithfield to Munno Para West via Peachey Rd, Stebonheath Rd, Brandis Rd
441 – Smithfield to Angle Vale via Peachey Rd, Stebonheath Rd, Peerless Rd, Curtis Rd
450/451 – as per original proposal

510 – Paradise to Mawson RS via Walkleys Rd, RM Williams Dr, Bridge Rd, Montague Rd, Main North Rd (continues to city in peak)
512 – Paradise to TTP via Lyons Rd, Valley Rd (continues to city in peak)
520 – TTP to Surrey Downs via Riverside Dr, Grenfell Rd (continues to city in peak)

Updated routes to cater for go-zones as above, far fewer routes and more regular frequency routes. Salisbury Rd routes now cross over at Parafield RS to provide better connections. Davoren Pk service provide updated route to Eyre and connections from Playford Alive to Munno Para RS. Reintroduce DSTO service - now travels between Salisbury and Elizabeth to provide better connections.


Outer South

X600 – Flinders RS to Aberfoyle Hub express (Peak Only)
610 – Seaview Downs to Oaklands RS via Neath Ave, Marion SC
611 – Seacombe Heights to Oaklands RS via Miller St, Marion SC

620 – Mitcham RS to Aberfolye Hub via Belair Rd, Gloucester Ave, Pinera RS, Sun Valley Dr, Suffolk Rd, Blackwood RS, Main Rd, Manning Rd
621 – Marion SC to Aberfolye Hub via Flinders Uni, MC, RS, Shepherds Hill Rd, Blackwood RS, Grand Blvd, Coromandel Pde, Oakridge Rd
622 – Marion SC to Stirling via Flinders Uni, MC, RS, Shepherds Hill Rd, Blackwood RS, Upper Sturt Rd, Crafers I/C, Mt Barker Rd

701 – Hallett Cove Beach RS to Old Reynella via Hallett Cove SC, Adams Rd, Young St
710 –Old Reynella to Colonnades via The Strand, O’Sullivan Beach Rd, Galloway Rd, Beach Rd, Noarlunga RS (L71 in Peak)
711 – Old Reynella to Noarlunga RS via Panalatinga Rd, States Rd, Penneys Hill Rd, Melsetter Rd, Yeltana Ave (when open), Honeypot Rd, Colonnades
X711 – Extension to Flinders RS, via Old South Rd, Panalatinga P&R then Express via Southern Expressway (Peak only)

731 – Colonnades to Seaford Rise via Noarlunga RS, Beach Rd, Commercial Rd, Fremantle Rd, Seaford SC, Seaford RS, Grand Bvd
732 – Colonnades to Seaford Heights via Noarlunga RS, Liguria Cres, Patapinda Rd, Seaford Rd, Seaford Meadows RS, The Esplanade, Griffiths Dr, Seaford SC, Seaford RS, Vista Pde, return via Victor Harbor Rd, Main South Rd
740/741/742/743 – as per original proposal

Provides simpler express services to Flinders RS. Direct service from Marion to Stirling via Blackwood and Crafers. Direct service from Mitcham to Aberfoyle Hub via Blackwood. Better coverage of new housing estates in Huntfield Heights and Seaford Heights. New connection at Seaford Meadows RS. Seacombe Heights and Seaview Downs services reintroduced, with connections at Oaklands RS


Hills

801 – City to Auldana via Fullarton Rd, Greenhill Rd, Hallett Rd, Penfolds Rd
802 – City to Summertown via Fullarton Rd, Greenhill Rd
803 – City to Stirling via Fullarton Rd, Greenhill Rd, Carey Gully, Piccadilly
810-815, 840-844 – as per original proposal

Greenhill Rd Services updated to a regular service - connection to Auldana to connect Greenhill Rd to Parade and St Bernards Rd services and reintroduce services to Wattle Park.
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3 areas I highlighted in last years plan,and still not covered
1. Portrush Road has no service to the City from Glen Osmond to Burnside Village (currently 140/144) This area
Has 2 schools and is reasonably well patronised.
2.Dunrobin Road Hove currently has 2 Routes 263 ans 245(am peak hour service to the City).
This road has a school,plus Alwyndor-a large Aged Care facility.
This route (263) is a busy route and is a major deliverer of passengers to Marion Shopping Centre and nearby Medical facilities as well as nearby schools on Brighton Road (Brighton High School and Sacred Heart College)
3. Under the new plan the current G20/G21/G22x services to the City are not covered,with new services terminating at Flinders Medical Center. This has some considerable drawbacks.
Firstly there is quite a walk to the station from the bus interchange, then a wait for train to arrive(20 minute frequency inpeak hours.)
The train drops passengers off at Adelaide Railway Station, meaning a long walk for many commuters into heart of CBD.
All this will mean is a poorer ,longer journey
Passengers do not like changibbg vehicles or modes.
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jibb wrote: Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:54 pm 3 areas I highlighted in last years plan,and still not covered
1. Portrush Road has no service to the City from Glen Osmond to Burnside Village (currently 140/144) This area
Has 2 schools and is reasonably well patronised.
2.Dunrobin Road Hove currently has 2 Routes 263 ans 245(am peak hour service to the City).
This road has a school,plus Alwyndor-a large Aged Care facility.
This route (263) is a busy route and is a major deliverer of passengers to Marion Shopping Centre and nearby Medical facilities as well as nearby schools on Brighton Road (Brighton High School and Sacred Heart College)
3. Under the new plan the current G20/G21/G22x services to the City are not covered,with new services terminating at Flinders Medical Center. This has some considerable drawbacks.
Firstly there is quite a walk to the station from the bus interchange, then a wait for train to arrive(20 minute frequency inpeak hours.)
The train drops passengers off at Adelaide Railway Station, meaning a long walk for many commuters into heart of CBD.
All this will mean is a poorer ,longer journey
Passengers do not like changibbg vehicles or modes.
All good points.
1. This is covered by the 27: Urrbrae to Port Adelaide via Portrush Rd then combines with 26 to provide a Go Zone to the city from Burnside village
2. Dunrobin St is a tough one - it has the challenge of managing two pretty average right-hand turns (at either end), which don't help with running times. As it is, the 245 was introduced so the 263 doesn't have to try and turn right in morning peak onto Brighton Rd. The route does have the Warradale RS in the middle and a go-zone (and railway stations) at either end. It's not exactly starved for service.
3. The Flagstaff Hill services will stop at Flinders MC and then the (not great, but closer) station transfer on Main South Rd. There will be Limited Stop South Rd buses every 15 mins in peak and the train to provide plenty of transfer options. We can't keep running multiple express services along this corridor with a perfectly under-utilised train service running adjacent. Those extra bus kms are needed to uplift that route to go-zone frequencies.
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1. That is a good solution.
2. There are traffic lights that enable the 263 buses turn right into Diagonal Road.
Dunrobin is a long Road,too far for many people to walk to either Diagonal or Brighton Roads.
3.Buses from Flagstaff Hill/Aberfoyle Park connecting on South Road definitely wont work.As I previously said people do not like transferring between buses. They wont wont to wait on noisy,busy South Road for a City bus.
There must be a bus(express in peak hours) from those suburbs to the City. The current 3 services are well patronised in peak hours.
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Hi Westside

I think you’ve done a great job here - a good network with reasonable compromises.

A few points on the Hills area
- the 83 to Mt Barker would be better used going direct on the freeway from Crafers at all times - as a growing region and much larger town than Stirling/Aldgate, the go zone only needs to go as far as Crafers
- removing the 813 and 815, if needed making them school buses only. The 622 covers their route, except for the 814 which I think could be a good peak service for Main Rd and Sheoak Rd
- interested to hear your rationale for the 801/802/803 using Fullarton Rd (and presumably Wakefield Rd) instead of Hutt St? From my observations these routes currently have plenty of pick ups/set downs on Hutt St. If that part of Fullarton Rd needs a service perhaps the 14 could take that route?

Clearly a lot of thought has gone into it and good outcome for just about all users
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jibb wrote: Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:39 pm 1. That is a good solution.
2. There are traffic lights that enable the 263 buses turn right into Diagonal Road.
Dunrobin is a long Road,too far for many people to walk to either Diagonal or Brighton Roads.
3.Buses from Flagstaff Hill/Aberfoyle Park connecting on South Road definitely wont work.As I previously said people do not like transferring between buses. They wont wont to wait on noisy,busy South Road for a City bus.
There must be a bus(express in peak hours) from those suburbs to the City. The current 3 services are well patronised in peak hours.
I think an anti-clockwise loop servicing Marion S/C, Oaklands RS, Dunbroin Rd, and perhaps Brighton RS could work. It would eliminate (most) right hand turns while maintaining a service.

Aberfoyle Park is tricky, perhaps an express service stopping at Flinders RS could work? That way people can make their own minds up. Only to be run at peak times, with interpeak requiring a transfer to South Rd or the railway
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Lt. Commander Data wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 3:01 pm
jibb wrote: Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:39 pm 1. That is a good solution.
2. There are traffic lights that enable the 263 buses turn right into Diagonal Road.
Dunrobin is a long Road,too far for many people to walk to either Diagonal or Brighton Roads.
3.Buses from Flagstaff Hill/Aberfoyle Park connecting on South Road definitely wont work.As I previously said people do not like transferring between buses. They wont wont to wait on noisy,busy South Road for a City bus.
There must be a bus(express in peak hours) from those suburbs to the City. The current 3 services are well patronised in peak hours.
I think an anti-clockwise loop servicing Marion S/C, Oaklands RS, Dunbroin Rd, and perhaps Brighton RS could work. It would eliminate (most) right hand turns while maintaining a service.

Aberfoyle Park is tricky, perhaps an express service stopping at Flinders RS could work? That way people can make their own minds up. Only to be run at peak times, with interpeak requiring a transfer to South Rd or the railway
Yeah, I was thinking the 312 might be able to pick up Dunrobin Rd. It would mean travelling via Esplanade to Jetty Rd, then north on Brighton Rd to meet Dunrobin. A bit of a detour and would lose the connection to Brighton RS, but could work.
Flagstaff Hill peak express buses could continue as limited stop via Goodwood Rd, but those extra kms would have to come from somewhere.
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Lt. Commander Data wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:56 pm Hi Westside

I think you’ve done a great job here - a good network with reasonable compromises.

A few points on the Hills area
- the 83 to Mt Barker would be better used going direct on the freeway from Crafers at all times - as a growing region and much larger town than Stirling/Aldgate, the go zone only needs to go as far as Crafers
- removing the 813 and 815, if needed making them school buses only. The 622 covers their route, except for the 814 which I think could be a good peak service for Main Rd and Sheoak Rd
- interested to hear your rationale for the 801/802/803 using Fullarton Rd (and presumably Wakefield Rd) instead of Hutt St? From my observations these routes currently have plenty of pick ups/set downs on Hutt St. If that part of Fullarton Rd needs a service perhaps the 14 could take that route?

Clearly a lot of thought has gone into it and good outcome for just about all users
Thanks, I'm hoping that some aspects can be included in any future overhaul.

The 83 detour was an interesting thought bubble - it provides a go-zone through a large part of the hills and provides a quicker access between Stirling/Aldgate/Bridgewater and Mt Barker. I'm not really sure of the loads of the T840 outside of peak to understand where the best benefit lies, so cheers.
Yeah, the 813 and 815 can definitely be school buses. That's easy to clean up.
Fullarton Rd was a bit of a toss up. I was thinking that it kept greater uniformity on Hutt st buses - just the 14 and 15. Sending the 801-803 up Fullarton Rd provides a service near the stops removed from Dulwich Ave. If we swap the 801-803 with the 14, it reduces the service to Hutt st, but does introduce a Hutt St service for those on Greehhill Rd. So definitely could be either way or just leave that minor gap, noting Grant Ave or Gurney Rd aren't too far away.
The good stuff is above!
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