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From Monday 22 February, route P332 Chermside to Citywill be extended to begin at St. Flannan’s primary school at Zillmere, instead of Chermside, and will end at UQ Lakes instead of the CBD.

Two morning peak trips will also be added, with the final morning inbound service leaving later at 8.51am (instead of 7.51am).

Route P332 will be renamed from this time due to the route change and will become route P332 Zillmere to University of Queensland (UQ).

The changes to route P332 are being made to reduce overcrowding on routes 330 Bracken Ridge to City BUZ and route 66 University of Queensland to RBWH. They will be introduced as a 12-month trial and may be made permanent if it proves popular.

Changes to route P332 will provide extra travel options for students to get to the University of Queensland.

These changes are a Brisbane Transport initiative and are funded by Brisbane City Council.



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Also new route 238 Cannon Hill to Morningside station via Bulimba and Hawthorne
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What a good idea. I expect there will be huge demand for these services and they will definitely stay. I can imagine they will be extremely popular if they travel via the Captain Cook Bridge to semi-express to UQ.

It has often surprised me that there aren't more cross city routes. Sydney has HEAPS of them. I guess maybe the original 475 is a good look at what can happen if they aren't properly timed.

E.g. 66? Why not send it all the way to Chermside? the argument about there being no room for tag and artics in the interchange is fair enough, though why not just create a dedicated stop outside the centre? surely a hold up area could be created in a side street somewhere thats appropriate for the larger buses.. ?
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^^__^^ wrote:What a good idea. I expect there will be huge demand for these services and they will definitely stay
Can you believe that the clowns in RailBoT have come out strongly against this idea, including calling on the minister to block these changes? What is the harm to anyone outside the Brisbane City Council area (like Mr Dow) if BCC tip in their own money to improve services in Brisbane? Mind their own business, I say.

There is one thing that is concerning though - didn't Translink think of referring the affected user(s) to the P331 route? If not, why not?
^^__^^ wrote:It has often surprised me that there aren't more cross city routes. Sydney has HEAPS of them
You mean through city routes. Ten years ago, Sydney didn't have any. The former ALP government added the M10, M20, M30, M40 and M50. Latest government added 343 (merged with 273), 389 (merged with 443) and 440 (merged with 378).

Brisbane has: 196, 199, 60, 61, 470, 66. (77 doesn't serve the city so doesn't count.)

Hardly a huge difference unless I'm missing something. Many of Sydney's through CBD Metrobus routes are somewhat addled. e.g. The M40 misses a single 380 stop approaching/leaving Bondi Junction.
^^__^^ wrote:I can imagine they will be extremely popular if they travel via the Captain Cook Bridge to semi-express to UQ.
I'm not so sure. The 332 doesn't serve any of the 66 stops after RBH until PAH. What it will do is add frequency Park Rd to UQ - perhaps they will use it to trim some 29 trips? There isn't exactly a problem with a lack of service here so I don't really understand this aspect of the change.
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You can never take anything seriously from RBOT these days, they are completely against BCC on anything to do with the buses.
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^ Apparently. Have they always been that way? I didn't feel like that in the past.
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though why not just create a dedicated stop outside the centre? surely a hold up area could be created in a side street somewhere that's appropriate for the larger buses.. ?
There are not a lot of street options around Chermside. When the 77 is waiting for departure time on Hamilton Rd it affects the traffic. There is the lay by outside the interchange on Hamilton Rd, but that gets a lot of use, and sometimes (not often) buses have to wait in traffic lanes for space. Thomas, Charlotte and Kingsmill Sts are narrow and already suffer from congestion. I have wondered what will happen when the interchange outgrows its current location.
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This change will help a bit at Chermside. Now the P332 comes into the interchange in both directions, which is a waste of space really. This change means that it will sensibly stay outside the centre. Perhaps the 77 could then use that space in the interchange?
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simonl wrote:This change will help a bit at Chermside. Now the P332 comes into the interchange in both directions, which is a waste of space really. This change means that it will sensibly stay outside the centre. Perhaps the 77 could then use that space in the interchange?
I hope it means they get the 77 off Hamilton road it is absolutely ridiculous of an afternoon peak to have one and some times two buses sitting there with hazards on taking up a lane, it needs to change asap. Hopefully with the upgrade of Westfield kicking off this month, something in and around the interchange will be improved.

Does this also mean Virginia and Eagle Farm buses will now run down the eastern busway?
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racingnathan wrote:You can never take anything seriously from RBOT these days, they are completely against BCC on anything to do with the buses.
They were the poster boys for the failed TransLink changes a couple of years ago and keep putting up the same ideas. Some of the TransLink changes were ok but a lot failed to recognize historical ties that were somewhat based on where buses had gone for many years.

I have always said that the name says it all - Rail Back on Track.
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daveeyh wrote:I have always said that the name says it all - Rail Back on Track.
The ridiculous part is that they also criticise rail improvements if moved by the LNP - e.g. saying that the 15 minute daytime frequency on the Ferny Grove line is a pork barrel.
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richard wrote:
though why not just create a dedicated stop outside the centre? surely a hold up area could be created in a side street somewhere that's appropriate for the larger buses.. ?
There are not a lot of street options around Chermside. When the 77 is waiting for departure time on Hamilton Rd it affects the traffic. There is the lay by outside the interchange on Hamilton Rd, but that gets a lot of use, and sometimes (not often) buses have to wait in traffic lanes for space. Thomas, Charlotte and Kingsmill Sts are narrow and already suffer from congestion. I have wondered what will happen when the interchange outgrows its current location.
The other issue with putting the 77 on those side streets is that it would need to do a lap of the block after dropping off to reach them. Entering the interchange seems the best option.

Also not sure why the 598 comes into the interchange? Couldn't it stop out on Hamilton Rd like the 325? At least those going near to Prince Charles Hospital would have a nearly common stop, although missing the 335. Probably, the 598 entering the interchange is for layover purposes.
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^^__^^ wrote:I can imagine they will be extremely popular if they travel via the Captain Cook Bridge to semi-express to UQ.
I'm not so sure. The 332 doesn't serve any of the 66 stops after RBH until PAH. What it will do is add frequency Park Rd to UQ - perhaps they will use it to trim some 29 trips? There isn't exactly a problem with a lack of service here so I don't really understand this aspect of the change.[/quote]

I was referring to skipping Cultural Centre, Southbank and Mater Hill. :) If you're travelling from the Northside having a bus that misses these stops would be advantageous. Given the 29 takes people from Woolloongabba to UQ I'm not sure why they would trim any 29 trips. Though, given the majority of people that use the 29 mostly hop off at Boggo RD I suppose they could indeed trim them up.

I'm curious to see what stop they use at UQ for the outbound to Chermside trip. It can get very busy there in peak times.
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As a semi-regular passenger and frequent observer of the P332, I will be very interested in the impact of this change on current passengers - particularly as the route is being extended both ways (which is pretty unusual).

In the morning, the current P332 gets good passenger loads so starting the service at Zillmere could cause some overcrowding of services. The increased number of university students looking for a single seat ride could exacerbate overcrowding (although using the 77 and transferring at PA or Buranda would probably be quicker). The 333 could also get a hammering as I assume the P332 will not enter the interchange.

The outbound P332 does not get the same loadings from the City. Passengers currently have no issue with getting a seat on the P332. If the P332 becomes popular with university students (although the P332 stopping pattern in the City probably doesn't suit transferring passengers) and the bus is full when it enters the City, the current passenger group could become disaffected if they cannot get a seat.

In regard to the 77 at Chermside, I would really like to see that service use the same interchange stop as the 333 so that passengers travelling to Kedron, Lutwyche, etc. can easily access the service - this would increase patronage on the 77 and take some pressure off the 333.

I also believe that the 77 should stop at the inbound stop on Gympie Road (although it is just around the corner from the terminus) so that passengers waiting at that stop have an extra service to access without having to wait at a different stop. There are a lot of Wavell SHS and Kedron SHS students who transfer through this stop in the morning (from 330, P331, 335 and P341 services) and this would give them easy access to the 77 and reduce the impacts on City-bound services.
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P332 will depart from stop D at UQ Lakes, if you search in the timetables on the Translink site you can see where it goes
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simonl wrote
The other issue with putting the 77 on those side streets is that it would need to do a lap of the block after dropping off to reach them. Entering the interchange seems the best option.
the issue of putting buses into side streets was in reference to earlier discussion about using TAGs and larger on Chermside runs, and using side streets as they can't fit into the interchange. I think the 77 should go round the corner onto Gympie Rd and delay there. Would free up Hamilton Rd and have minimal impact on Gympie Rd (but may impede other buses leaving the stop
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^^__^^ wrote:I was referring to skipping Cultural Centre, Southbank and Mater Hill. :) If you're travelling from the Northside having a bus that misses these stops would be advantageous
Yes, but not at the cost of needing to fight traffic through the CBD. Doesn't the 66 cover RBH to UQ Lakes faster than the 332 will?
^^__^^ wrote:Though, given the majority of people that use the 29 mostly hop off at Boggo RD I suppose they could indeed trim them up.
That's what I was getting at. It mainly exists for this purpose. But if it is operated by a single bus, then not really an advantage to remove trips.
daveeyh wrote:(although using the 77 and transferring at PA or Buranda would probably be quicker)
That's what I would be thinking also. I've never understood why the 77 goes to 8MP rather than UQ. It's both more km and cost and less useful.
daveeyh wrote:he 333 could also get a hammering as I assume the P332 will not enter the interchange.
Don't people cross Hamilton Rd where they might get a 330/331/341? Perhaps education is needed. Not sure of a good way to make it more intuitive.

One other point is I've often thought that the some or all of the PM 332/331/341 could run up George St and use the busway from Roma St. It would alleviate overcrowding there.
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332 will be doing 66, 109, routes so that instead of having 3 empty 66 buses blocking RBWH at all hours of the day and having them sitting at UQ Lakes clogging the place up, they will actually be moving hopefully with passengers on them, instead of parked up all over the place, blocking up the whole system. Just need to keep buses moving you through Countess Street and there is no room for anyone else at 7.00a.m-8.30a.m. in morning choked Gabba choked with empty buses you hear the calls all day. They have a system called NEXT BUS. Moreton :roll:
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I don't really understand the 238?

216+227 Connects Cannon Hill to Morningside Train Station
230 Connects Balmoral, Bulimba and Morningside to Bulimba Ferry,
232 Connects Cannon Hill with Cannon Hill Train Station the Bulimba and Hawthorne Ferries via Morningside
235 Connects Balmoral and Morningside to Morningside Train Station
590 Connects Murrarie to Cannon Hill Shopping centre.
598+599 Connects Murrarie to Murrarie Train Station and Cannon Hill Shopping Centre.

If passangers Destination is either the City or Valley the 238 is the slowest option. I gather 238 is all about connecting Hawthorne and Bulimba residents to Morningside Train Station. There must be a City Council Election soon!
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Took the new P332 from Zillmere School to UQ Lakes this morning - the 6.59 departure from Zillmere.

The bus had seven passengers by Chermside (it was close behind both a 330 and 331), of which two ladies caught the bus thinking that it would go exactly the same way as the P331.

The bus left the City with only me on board - one additional passenger got on at Boggo Road.

Actual travel time was 24 minutes from RBWH to UQ Lakes.

Interesting choice of bus to be dispatched on this service - E2055 (one of the QUT buses) on a service to UQ. Maybe an advertising ploy by QUT. :-)
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Saw a couple of outbound services this arvo with one getting mixed up and almost turning into the interchange but correcting itself at the last minute.
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It is interesting to see what information there is about the changes to the P332 at bus stops.

Bus stops outside of the busway have information attached to the bus stop.

At busway stops (e.g. Kedron Park, RBWH, PA Hospital, UQ Lakes), there is no information whatsoever about the extension of the P332 (e.g. no billboard, no A-frame, no updated timetable). One could suggest that, because it is a BCC initiative, TransLink are not interested in ensuring that information is available at busway stations so that the trial fails.
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I doubt many people would be boarding an outbound P332 at those stations. As for the inbound one, it only makes a difference if they are crossing the river which is still not particularly useful to them.
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P332 is now getting good loading in A.M. services city workers have worked out where it goes and they don't have to change buses, City students now catch the bus from Mary and George st stops, PA workers also use it and overflow students catch it to UQ also. It takes time for passengers to try different services to make decisions for what works for them. It works for those that don't want to stand up on a 330, to RBWH, those that work in the Mary/ George st area UQ Gardens Point students, Students that live in inner city get a seat to UQ, anyone going to PAH gets a seat, Boggo Rd passengers can get a seat to UQ instead of barging onto fully loaded 109, 209 etc. Moreton. :wink:
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I still reckon that there was no need for this extension and a 79 route from Chermside to UQ Lakes via the Clem 7 to replace the 77 and run more frequently would have been a bigger improvement. Should always have been done that way.
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