'City Glider' - West End to Newstead
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'City Glider' - West End to Newstead
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/qu ... 90827.html
Two things to note:
- They have picked a bi-artic designed for use with high-level platforms as the article image, which seems a bit at odds with what they are probably trying to achieve
- The article notes rigid buses will be used - as it states they will be 'large', possibly these are tri-axles (which would work just great in the New Farm area I'm sure, steerable tag axles or not )
Two things to note:
- They have picked a bi-artic designed for use with high-level platforms as the article image, which seems a bit at odds with what they are probably trying to achieve
- The article notes rigid buses will be used - as it states they will be 'large', possibly these are tri-axles (which would work just great in the New Farm area I'm sure, steerable tag axles or not )
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But lets face facts that report was talking about people being transported standing up not seated. The most seats I counted on there display pictures was 65 seats. Would be better just to use our existing bendies on the proposed route.
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Surely they can't be serious! I can't see that vehicle travelling along Merthyr Rd too well.
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Or to see it hook a left hand turn off the Victoria Bridge on to North Quay.Alassë Aldaríon wrote:I can't see that vehicle travelling along Merthyr Rd too well.
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Interesting too that it says that it may not be BT that operates it!
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Quoting from the Brisbane Times article ...
What, you mean the 199 BUZ that's now been running for over two years? How exactly will this new "CityGlider" thing provide a better standard of service than the current 199?A $2 million study to begin early next year will finalise new routes for Brisbane's first mass transit bus service, which will provide buses every 10 minutes between West End, the Cultural Centre, the central city and Newstead.
3.1 BILLION dollars? The whole of Brisbane Transport costs $120 million a year. Or perhaps they meant, "million"? $3.1 billion is around 9% of the annual state budget. Pretty steep for just one bus route.A mass transit task force in September 2007 estimated it could cost $93 million to start - including new buses and capital costs - and around $3.1 billion a year to run.
The same "billion" and "million" mistake again. I find it very difficult to give credibility to a media outlet that doesn't know the difference between "million" and "billion".A light rail network would cost about five times as much and cost $7.8 billion to run.
However, it has estimated net benefits of $3.4 billion, made up of fewer car trips and a reduction in congestion and road accidents.
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Victoria Street Bridge??? It is Victoria Bridge. There is not a Victoria Street in the CBD or South Brisbane or connecting the two areas.Brisbane City Council plans to introduce the scheme into two stages - over the existing Victoria Street Bridge in the short-term - and then directly into Adelaide Street from Melbourne Street at South Brisbane if a second Victoria Street Bridge is built, as proposed by the State Government.
How can a media oulet, especially a big one like "Fairfax" make so many fundamental errors in one story??
As 'triplethree" said, how can you give credibility to a story with so many errors?
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It's only a relatively minor mistake really, and it's still better than having the Courier Mail putting their spin on it.
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Easy. It was probably delivered to them on a platter. It's gravy train journalism. Media Watch had a segment on this type of thing. Companies will actually pay other companies to promote their product via a "media release". I'm guessing that someone was paid to do up a puff piece on the "City Glider" and then send it to the major media outlets. Disappointing as it is, I don't think Fairfax is alone in falling for this style of tactic.Volvo B12BLEA wrote:Victoria Street Bridge??? It is Victoria Bridge. There is not a Victoria Street in the CBD or South Brisbane or connecting the two areas.Brisbane City Council plans to introduce the scheme into two stages - over the existing Victoria Street Bridge in the short-term - and then directly into Adelaide Street from Melbourne Street at South Brisbane if a second Victoria Street Bridge is built, as proposed by the State Government.
How can a media oulet, especially a big one like "Fairfax" make so many fundamental errors in one story??
As 'triplethree" said, how can you give credibility to a story with so many errors?
Is that the truth or did you read about it in a Rail Back on Track media release?
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Thats right Andrew21 mediawatch uncovers this sorta stuff all the time. Infact the Chaser did the same thing on there recent stage tour and there 'fake' product actually made it to air on WIN Mt Gambier. Also, we are lucky that Aussie companies haven't discoverd VNRs yet.....
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Brisbane Times is really just a shell of a news agency. They often just reword the state government media statements as there news stories. And then major news stories are just rehashed from the The Age or SMH their two actual papers. Nothing wrong with it really, but I normally read both BT and CM websites see what both are saying.
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The sooner the QLD Govt. realise that buses on line-haul work ISNT the answer the better
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Yeah both Qld and BCC would do well to learn this.BusPicsQLD wrote:The sooner the QLD Govt. realise that buses on line-haul work ISNT the answer the better
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Sorry to resurface this thread but I have found an update of this "City Glider" project on Campbell Newmans website after receiving a council e-letter.
The Facts are:
The service will link West End, South Brisbane, the CBD, Fortitude Valley and Newstead (Basically the 199 route)
The Glider will formally be launched next year around the time of the Clem 7 tunnel opening
The Glider would initially be serviced by distinctively painted rigid and articulated buses before those vehicles were replaced by large tram-like buses.
Will initially cost $4.5 Million
Would this replace the 199 service or would there be a BUZ service and a high frequency City Glider service as well?!
For those who wish to view the full article the link is here: http://www.campbellnewman.com.au/articl ... cleId=7855
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The Facts are:
The service will link West End, South Brisbane, the CBD, Fortitude Valley and Newstead (Basically the 199 route)
The Glider will formally be launched next year around the time of the Clem 7 tunnel opening
The Glider would initially be serviced by distinctively painted rigid and articulated buses before those vehicles were replaced by large tram-like buses.
Will initially cost $4.5 Million
Would this replace the 199 service or would there be a BUZ service and a high frequency City Glider service as well?!
For those who wish to view the full article the link is here: http://www.campbellnewman.com.au/articl ... cleId=7855
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Thia was also in Yesterdays Mx newspaper
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The article board user "Scania" provided link for. Reproduced here.......
Of note in the "Highlights Include" part is points 1,2 & 4.
Of note in the "Highlights Include" part is points 1,2 & 4.
Lord Mayors Website wrote: Massive spend on public transport
Written on the 17 June, 2009
A new rapid transit bus service to rival light rail will be launched in Brisbane’s CBD next year as part of Lord Mayor Campbell Newman’s massive $164 million public transport investment in 2009/10.
Dubbed the ‘City Glider’, the service will link West End, South Brisbane, the CBD, Fortitude Valley and Newstead, helping reduce vehicle congestion in the inner-city.
The glider, which will be formally launched next year, is part of a massive $100 million-plus investment in all forms of public and active transport, such as buses, hire bikes and ferries.
Highlights include:
• 125 new buses - $59 million
• Two new bus depots (north and south) - $49 million
• New cycleways - $33 million
• Two new CityCat ferries to bring the fleet size to 16 CityCats - $6 million
• New bike hire scheme for Brisbane - $1.6 million
Lord Mayor Campbell Newman said the City Glider route would initially be serviced by distinctively painted existing rigid and articulated buses, before those vehicles were replaced by large tram-like buses.
The service would initially cost $4.5 million and be introduced around the time of the opening of the CLEM7 tunnel, from Woolloongabba to Bowen Hills.
“Our study found that we could provide these City Glider tram-like vehicles at a fraction of the cost of light rail,” Cr Newman said. “Our aim is to move people quickly and safely.”
The record bus funding was in response to a jump in bus patronage from 48 million a year at the 2004 election, to 78 million in 2009 – largely due to Council’s policy of providing brand-new, airconditioned, environmentally friendly buses.
During 13 years of Labor, bus patronage increased from 44 million to 48 million.
The Lord Mayor said the CityCat fleet would have doubled in size to 16 ferries in six years.
The CityCycle bike hire scheme would open in 2010, and eventually grow to 150 bike stations between Newstead and the University of Queensland.
Council would to spend $5 million to improve cycle safety, such as cyclist priority ‘jumps’ at traffic signals, bicycle awareness zones and cycle lanes.
“The CityCycle bike hire scheme will eventually add 2000 bikes to our inner-city roads so we need to make sure the city is ready for them,” the Lord Mayor said.
“We’ve already reduced the speed limit in the CBD to 40km/h. The additional record public transport funding should get a great deal of cars off the road.”
Over $14.5 million would be spent connecting and expanding the bikeway network this year.
A vital 300m missing link in the RiverWalk at Cutters Landing would cost $2.6 million.
More end-of-trip facilities, including bicycle racks and parking shelters, will be rolled out across the city while $1.2 million will be spent over four years to improve bikeway safety signage, including distance markers.
And for the first time ever, Brisbane City Council will have a $2 million Cycling and Pedestrian Blackspots Program.
“This will help us address problems as they arise to make the network safer,” he said.
The popular Active School Travel program has been extended, involving 47 schools.
The Lord Mayor said the program had prompted a record 25 per cent decrease in sole family car travel to and from school, saving over 2 million kilometres of vehicle travel and preventing 550 tonnes of emissions being spewed into the atmosphere.
There was a 19 per cent increase in children walking to school.
“This is about encouraging healthy behaviours at a young age and it’s great to see how successful the program has been so far,” Cr Newman said.
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What's the point of replacing the 199 BUZ, it's already doing a fair job of transporting people within the same areas as the 'City Glider'. IF they made the 'City Glider' a free service (Like the Spring Hill Loop and the Inner City Loop) then i would be interested in the initiative.
But for now I think it's a waste time and money that the State Government doesn't have...
But for now I think it's a waste time and money that the State Government doesn't have...
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State Government's not paying for it, it's a council thing. The City Glider will greatly reduce dwell times at all stops due to the removal of the passenger-driver interface and multiple doors resulting in faster journey times. Coupled with larger vehicles, operating costs are theoretically lower as there are fewer buses to maintain and fewer drivers to pay for less time driving.
Let's hope they use it as a cloak to remove some of the stops that are within spitting distance of each other. The sooner they bring this to busway routes the better.
Let's hope they use it as a cloak to remove some of the stops that are within spitting distance of each other. The sooner they bring this to busway routes the better.
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Does than mean the City Glider will be a prepaid-only route? Or will their be some facility to buy a ticket on board such as what Melbourne's trams have.bunza wrote:The City Glider will greatly reduce dwell times at all stops due to the removal of the passenger-driver interface and multiple doors resulting in faster journey times.
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I can't answer that one but I assume there will be go card readers at each door. If they go for conductors on each service, there goes the decreased labour costs I was talking about earlier. They may find it better for cost recovery if they just have better compliance personnel (transit officers or equivalent) randomly roaming the network.
I read in the paper today that regular artics are going to be used first until new buses are built.
I read in the paper today that regular artics are going to be used first until new buses are built.
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But since the bus/es will be bigger, Won't that affect traffic along places like Adelaide street?bunza wrote:State Government's not paying for it, it's a council thing. The City Glider will greatly reduce dwell times at all stops due to the removal of the passenger-driver interface and multiple doors resulting in faster journey times. Coupled with larger vehicles, operating costs are theoretically lower as there are fewer buses to maintain and fewer drivers to pay for less time driving.
Let's hope they use it as a cloak to remove some of the stops that are within spitting distance of each other. The sooner they bring this to busway routes the better.
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Please explain, how you will think it would affect traficYoung Bus Loving Guy wrote:
But since the bus/es will be bigger, Won't that affect traffic along places like Adelaide street?
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Hmm I'd imagine bus zones would need to be lengthened in places like South Brisbane, West End and New Farm where on-street parking is in demand
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http://www.brisbane.qld.gov.au/bccwr/_a ... letter.pdf
I noted this flier on the BCC website.
The CityGlider looks to be routed along the new road through the gasworks at Newstead to get to Teneriffe Ferry.
As per bunza's post in this thread, where are the buses going to park at the two termini or will the CityGlider have different stops to the 199? There can be up to 4 199's at West End Ferry and often 4 buses at Teneriffe (with the 393 and 470) so there really is no room currently at those termini.
With the CityGlider using Ann and Wickham Streets, maybe there is a chance that the Toombul services (300, 306, etc) will run limited set down/limited pick up through Newstead/Fortitude Valley to make those services more reliable.
I noted this flier on the BCC website.
The CityGlider looks to be routed along the new road through the gasworks at Newstead to get to Teneriffe Ferry.
As per bunza's post in this thread, where are the buses going to park at the two termini or will the CityGlider have different stops to the 199? There can be up to 4 199's at West End Ferry and often 4 buses at Teneriffe (with the 393 and 470) so there really is no room currently at those termini.
With the CityGlider using Ann and Wickham Streets, maybe there is a chance that the Toombul services (300, 306, etc) will run limited set down/limited pick up through Newstead/Fortitude Valley to make those services more reliable.
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You could wish, although makes sense, and would reduce the heavy loading upto the old Light St depot, especially on the 300's for some unknown reason, the 306's & 322's don't get as many.daveeyh wrote:With the CityGlider using Ann and Wickham Streets, maybe there is a chance that the Toombul services (300, 306, etc) will run limited set down/limited pick up through Newstead/Fortitude Valley to make those services more reliable.
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