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Full details not yet avaiable on the DoT website, but submissions are open. I would presume that "Glen Iris" should actually be "Glen Eira".
DoT media release wrote: BOROONDARA, GLEN IRIS AND STONNINGTON RESIDENTS TO HAVE THEIR SAY ABOUT LOCAL BUS SERVICES
Tuesday, 07 October 2008

Every bus service in the cities of Boroondara, Glen Iris and Stonnington will be reviewed under a $650 million Brumby Government plan to improve local public transport links.


Public Transport Minister Lynne Kosky said the reviews were established to make sure the local community could have their say about what bus services they need.

“No-one knows what people want from their local bus services better than the people who live and work in the area,” Ms Kosky said.
“That is why the Government is undertaking this review – to find out what the community wants from local bus services and improve current services accordingly.”

Ms Kosky said that local bus users could have a say on the future of their bus services by registering to attend a public workshop or by making a submission to the Department of Transport.

“Community feedback will be used as the basis for improvements to local bus services, which may include longer hours of operation, more frequent services or extended routes, introducing new routes or restructuring existing ones and improving linkages with connecting trains,” Ms Kosky said.

Local bus operators, councils and other stakeholders will also be consulted as part of the review.

Ms Kosky said the Boroondara/Glen Iris/Stonnington Bus Service Review was an important part of the Brumby Government’s plan to boost public transport services in Melbourne’s East.

“Since 2006, improvements have already been made to several bus routes in the Boroondara, Glen Iris and Stonnington areas, with one route extension, the introduction of the new Route 900 SmartBus service and operating hours extended to 9pm, seven days a week on another seven routes,” Ms Kosky said.

“I encourage people who want to have a say about future bus services in the area to register to attend a workshops, or to make a submission to the Department of Transport.”

Community workshops will be held in Boroondara, Glen Iris and Stonnington later this year and details published in local newspapers.

Written submissions are invited up until Friday 19 December 2008 and can be sent to: Boroondara/Glen Iris/Stonnington Bus Service Review, PO Box 2797, Melbourne VIC 3001.
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Is attendance by invitation only or can anyone RSVP?
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Last night the stage 2 meeting for the Boroondara/Glen Eira/Stonnington bus review was held at Toorak/South Yarra library. Again, I was rather impressed by the network that was presented. A key focus was to make routes north-south or east-west along arterial roads, which in turn compliments the tram network in the inner suburbs.

I've summarised the proposals below. Obviously there was some overlap with the Bayside/Kingston stage 2 meeting that was held a few weeks ago, but I thought I'd repeat them here too. (The plans for both review areas are mirrored).

200: Route will no longer operate between Bulleen and Shoppingtown, as the patronage doesn't warrant the duplication with 305 & 903.

201: Revised route at Kew. From Kew Junction it will operate via Princess Street, Willsmere Road, Earl Street South and Valerie St to East Kew. This will avoid duplication with 48 tram on Doncaster Road.

202 / 302: 202 deleted, with all existing trips extended to/from the City via 302. No more hourly offpeak service on 302!

203: Replaced by upgraded 313. This however means there will be no freeway bus along the short-section of Bulleen Road between Eastern Freeway and Doncaster Road,

205: Deleted.

207: Revised route at Kew. From Kew Junction it will operate via Princess Street, Willsmere Road, Earl Street South and Valerie St to East Kew. This will avoid duplication with 48 tram on Doncaster Road. It is also planned that the 207 will terminate at Shoppingtown, to avoid duplicating the 307 and 902, both of which will run at Smartbus standard.

216: Split into two separate routes in City. Southern half truncated at Elsternwick, with 923 providing coverage to Elsternwick - Brighton Beach section (although part of New Street will now be unserved). Suggested to terminate in City at Queen Victoria Market.

219: Also split into two separate routes in City. Southern half truncated at Elsternwick. However, it will not follow the 216 into the city. It will instead continue up Williams Rd, then via Toorak Rd, St Kida Rd, Park Street, Clarendon St and Spencer St to terminate at Spencer/Lonsdale Streets. This will provide a direct link from South Melbourne to South Yarra. Depending on the stage 2 feedback, the 216 and 220 could also be re-routed via South Melbourne.

220: As per 216 / 219 plans, its proposed 220 will be split in the City and now terminate at Elsternwick. 605 & 627 will still provide coverage south of Glenhuntly Road. There was also a option to run the Orrong Road bus to Burnley instead...see under New Route "AC".

284: Route to become a direct link from Box Hill to Latrobe Uni. At Doncaster Park+Ride it will head up the Eastern Freeway to Bulleen Road, then run along Bulleen Road, Manningham Road, Banksia Street, Bell-Banksia Link, Bell Street and Waterdale Road. Its not planned to operate via Heidleberg station, as there is already the 551 to pick up passengers here.

285: The loop around North Balwyn will be simplifed, and no longer will the route double-back on itself.

313: The section between Templestowe and Doncaster Park+Ride will be deleted, as its largely covered by 309. The route would operate full time, and not a few peak trips, in order to replace 203.

315: Deleted.

548: Proposed extension from Cotham Road (Deepdene) to Victoria Gardens Shopping Centre via Burke and Barkers Road. This would also provide improved coverage from Ivanhoe etc to the numerous schools in Kew.

605: Extended from Gardenvale to Middle Brighton. No longer runs via Rose St or Orrong Rd, now running direct via Toorak & Kooyong Rds. The new "AC" route would enhance the grid in this area.

609: Proposed to be proper cross-town route from Northland to Camberwell. It would replace the current 567 along Albert Street and Station Street between Northland and Fairfield, before following the current 609 to Kew/Hawthorn. However, instead of running to Hawthorn Station, it would head up Burwood Road to Camberwelll, just like the old 608.

612: Largely unchanged, other than to follow the same route as 281 & 302 between Box Hill Station and Box Hill Hospital.

623: Re-routed from Glen Eira Road and Kambrook Road to operate via Caulfield. It would then follow run down Queens Avenue, Nerrim Road and Poath Road to Chadstone, replacing the 624 Carnegie trips. Princes Highway already well served by 627, 822 and 900. No changes east of Chadstone.

624:Drastic changes. The (East) Kew - Caulfield section would be retained as a local route. Route 623 will replace it between Caulfield and Chadstone via Nerrim Road, while the Darling Road section would served by new route "A" and extended 734. The Chastone - Holmesglen - Oakleigh section is retained as new separate route, but with major routing changes. From Holmesglen, it will run the full length of Power Avenue to Waverley Road, then run along Waverley Road, Atkinson Street, Oak Park Drive, Carrol Grove, Stanley Street, Ferntree Gully Road, Huntingdale Road, Burlington Street to Oakleigh. Probably too indirect, although reinstating a route on Oak Park Drive would be nice (the old 622 used to have deviation along here).

627: Split into 2 routes. 627 will run from Elsternwick - Chadstone via Carnegie, while the other half will run Chadstone - Middle Brighton via Hughesdale, McKinnon and East Brigthon. 627 no longer operates via Ormond station, instead crossing the railway line at Dorothy Ave. It also now runs via Hughesdale Station instead of Oakleigh Station.

630: Extended from Elwood to St Kilda, to replace 600/922/923 and provide direct link from St Kilda to Monash Uni.

701: Alerted route in East Bentleigh, incorporating current 822 on Marlborough Road. Extended from Bentleigh to Middle Brighton via Bewer & Marriage Road, to replace 823. Some very minor route changes also suggested at Oakleigh end. Will provide a direct link from Oakleigh to Monash Medical Centre Moorabbin.

703: Some changes to route at Brighton end - no longer operates along Bay Street (North Brighton Station).

734: Extended from Glen Iris to Caulfield via High Street and Burke Road. This would of course provide a direct link from Cauflield to Ashburon (and a 2nd direct route to Glen Waverley, in addition to 623.)

766: Extended from Burwood to Glen Waverley along Highbury Road, Gyton Avenue, Willow Avenue, Medina Ave, High Street Road and Snedden Drive and Railway Parade North. Provides a direct link from Surrey Hills to Glen Waverley, although somewhat indirect from Box Hill.

767: Now runs direct along Bignell Road between South & Centre Roads in East Bentleigh. They have already had discussions with Vicroads about the possibility of modifying the intersection of South Road and Bignell Road to allow buses to do this right-hand turn. No other changes to the route.

811: Current route from Dandenong to Springvale then runs to Mordialloc, via Windsor Ave, Regent Ave, Donald St, Gavin Dr, Heatherton Rd, Tootal Rd, Centre Dandenong Rd, Howard Rd, Lower Dandenong Rd, Woodlands Dr, Malcolm Rd, White Street, Treeby Street, McDonald Street. This provides new coverage to unserved parts of Woodlands Park Industral Estate and Epsom housing estate.

812: Basically as is, but now runs along Hampton Street instead of Roslyn Street in Brighton.

822: Shortened to run from Southland to Chadstone. Bay Rd section replaced by 828. Jack & Park Rds section replaced by 631. Runs direct along East Boundary Road in East Bentleigh, with 701 picking up the Marlborough Rd section.

823: Changed to become a direct route from Elsternwick to Mordialloc via Nepean Hwy. 701 will replace Marriage Rd section in East Brighton.

824: Now runs direct between Clayton & Westall via Centre Rd and Westall Rd, with extended 704 running via the back streets. Possible extension from Parkmore to Dandenong via Cheltenham Road, Bennet Street and Railway Parade.

825: Extended to commence at Caulfield and run via Grange and Jasper Rds to Moorabbin. Mentone - Southland section deleted. One justification made was that this would provide links to Caulfield to get a train to the city, instead of passengers having to fight to get on overcrowded and infrequent trains between Moorabbin and Glenhuntly!

900: No changes.

903: No changes.

New route "A": Chadstone - Tooronga Village/Coles HQ. Runs via Chadstone Road, Waverley Road, Darling Road, Malvern Road, Wattletree Road, Burke Road, Carroll Crescent and Tooronga Road. Partly replaces route 624 via Darling, and provides connections from 3, 5, 6 & 72 tram terminuses to Chadstone.

New route "AC" As a possible alternative to running the southern half of the 220 into the City, they suggested extending it north to Victoria Gardens Shopping Centre, via Burnley Station, aka the old 607. That is, continuing up Orrong Road, then St Georges Road, Grange Road, Twickeham Cresent, Barkly Avenue and Burnley Street. I'm guessing if it was decided that the 220 was to still to continue into the CIty, this route would simply be Toorak - Victoria Gardens Shopping Centre, which would still be a useful link.

New route 'M":Direct bus from Camberwell to Heathmont via Canterbury Road, via Forest Hill and Brentford Square Shopping Centres.

As routes 246, 301, 303, 304, 305, 306, 307, 308, 309, 316, 318, 319, 340, 350, 684, 742, 800, 802, 804 & 862 aren't really in the review area, plans for these routes were not mentioned, even though they are listed on the DoT website as being part of this review.

Other than the absence of a direct bus from Camberwell to Caulfield, and along Toorak Road between the 8 & 75, the proposals overall were fantastic! :D

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Craig wrote:202 / 302: 202 deleted, with all existing trips extended to/from the City via 302. No more hourly offpeak service on 302!
Oh thank God! It's about time the 202 faced the axe and more City services were implemented.
Craig wrote:734: Extended from Glen Iris to Caulfield via High Street and Burke Road. This would of course provide a direct link from Cauflield to Ashburon (and a 2nd direct route to Glen Waverley, in addition to 623.)

766: Extended from Burwood to Glen Waverley along Highbury Road, Gyton Avenue, Willow Avenue, Medina Ave, High Street Road and Snedden Drive and Railway Parade North. Provides a direct link from Surrey Hills to Glen Waverley, although somewhat indirect from Box Hill.
Interesting extensions. It's about time there was a link between Box Hill and Glen Waverley, never thought it would come from route 766 though - BUT at least it now covers more ground. The route 734 extension is also a good one.
Craig wrote:New route 'M":Direct bus from Camberwell to Heathmont via Canterbury Road, via Forest Hill and Brentford Square Shopping Centres.
Route M? You can't possibly call a bus route M can you? It's basically an extension of good ol' route 739 which faced the axe last decade.

All in all, there's quite a lot of changes for the better. I'm looking forward to seeing that hopefully that some of these plans are implemented.

And a big thank you to Craig for giving us the details. :D
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Craig wrote:New route 'M":Direct bus from Camberwell to Heathmont via Canterbury Road, via Forest Hill and Brentford Square Shopping Centres.
Route M? You can't possibly call a bus route M can you? It's basically an extension of good ol' route 739 which faced the axe last decade.
Any new routes in the proposals aren't giving route numbers as such, they just refer to them as letters. The DoT and operators will worry about giving them numbers closer to the eventual implementation.

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Craig wrote:
Flinders Flyer wrote: Route M? You can't possibly call a bus route M can you? It's basically an extension of good ol' route 739 which faced the axe last decade.
Any new routes in the proposals aren't giving route numbers as such, they just refer to them as letters.
...sometimes.

Depends on what the consultants feel like doing. Sometimes they give all routes arbitrary numbers (no letters) regardless of whether new or not. For instance in Moonee Valley our routes were numbered 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 26, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 101 and 484. A good system as it eliminates any confusion in the session.
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In the Banyule report we got both theoretical route numbers in the current range, as well as combinations eg 566A, 566B. No big deal, just means different people probably did the reports. :D
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mjja wrote:Is attendance by invitation only or can anyone RSVP?
First round workshopss (to discuss strengths and weaknesses of the current network in the applicable study area) are through registration.
Second round workshops are invitation only, invites are sent to those who registered for the first workshop.

Having read the above list properly now, I don't see the point for the route "AC" at all. I used to live in that area, and I can't see it getting much use if any.

Also don't see the need for a bus linking the tram routes 8 and 75 as Craig has suggested, so glad they didn't include this. Not so sure if a bus route down Grange Road would be successful, this has been trialled a few times in the past and has been a failure everytime. There is no way someone would get a bus to Caulfield to get a train, when the train stations are right there, despite how crowded they may be. Anyway besides, the trains are more crowded when they reach Caulfield, and the extra trains there are at Caulfield (Cranbourne etc...) are much busier than the Frankston Line anyway. A silly justification for a pointless bus service.

I can't find what will replace the 216 219 bus services heading towards Brighton from Elsternwick?

On the whole, it looks to be a decent network. :)
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Having read the above list properly now, I don't see the point for the route "AC" at all. I used to live in that area, and I can't see it getting much use if any.
Possibly as in the past before the Victoria Gardens SC but after the manufacturing started disappearing there was no point to the route. Nowadays VG is a large traffic generator mostly by car although in fairness the shopping centre makes some effort to present PT options and has done since their opening publicity suggested using the tram. However, I can't see anyone from Toorak using the route and further south has other options they would prefer to go to (ie Chadstone). Maybe if it was joined to the 548 and presented obvious through trip opportunities to schools and other places of interest then it may be of use, but overall I'm inclined to agree with you.
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It's interesting that they want buses to serve Victoria Gardens S/C in the forms of an extended 548 and the "AC" route. I would have further extended the "M" route from Camberwell to Victoria Gardens as well, but that might make the route a little too complicated.

Just thinking out loud, is there a bus terminus/stop outside or within Victoria Gardens S/C currently?
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Flinders Flyer wrote:It's interesting that they want buses to serve Victoria Gardens S/C in the forms of an extended 548 and the "AC" route. I would have further extended the "M" route from Camberwell to Victoria Gardens as well, but that might make the route a little too complicated.

Just thinking out loud, is there a bus terminus/stop outside or within Victoria Gardens S/C currently?
No there isn't- just the tram on Victoria Street.

Unless there's something at the other end.
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Flinders Flyer wrote:Just thinking out loud, is there a bus terminus/stop outside or within Victoria Gardens S/C currently?
Nothing at the moment. I'd put my money on the terminus being located near the corner of River Boulevard and Vickers Drive (where you'd normally turn to access the Ikea pick-up point). According to Google Maps the land there is still vacant, so a proper terminus could be built, with the nearest entrance to the centre being via the food court. For route AC, I'd also put stops on Burnley Street just south of Victoria Street to provide easy access to that end of the centre in addition to the terminus.

In regards to the usefulness of route AC (in response to RailwayBus and krustyklo), what you need to remember is that Victoria Gardens is home to not just the shopping centre but a decent cluster of office buildings - the bus would be useful for communting to and from these. Also, while most of us would think of Toorak as being all mansions and MCC members, there are also a heck of a lot of flats there - many of which were built on the sites of demolished mansions - occupied by students and young couples (admittedly with more of a yuppie slant) that might find the bus more than useful.

Finally, if the 220 (or 601, for those that remember) is maintained as a service into the city, route AC could be extended to St Kilda via Orrong Road, Alma Road, Westbury Street and Carlisle Street, providing a potential major trip generator at the southern end of the route and supplementing Loop 3 of the Port Phillip Community Bus.
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I can't find what will replace the 216 219 bus services heading towards Brighton from Elsternwick?
Although this section at most times is not well used, I'd hope thy have some kind of service to replace 216/219 from Elsternwick during school times at least.
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RailwayBus wrote:I can't find what will replace the 216 219 bus services heading towards Brighton from Elsternwick?
The revised 923 will provide a link from Elsternwick to Brighton (and then onto Hampton, Highett and Southland).

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Craig wrote:
RailwayBus wrote:I can't find what will replace the 216 219 bus services heading towards Brighton from Elsternwick?
The revised 923 will provide a link from Elsternwick to Brighton (and then onto Hampton, Highett and Southland).

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I hope they at least put a few school extras(school runs) Between Brighton and Sandringham, if these changes happen to 923.
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Craig wrote: 200: Route will no longer operate between Bulleen and Shoppingtown, as the patronage doesn't warrant the duplication with 305 & 903.
I'd rather be worrying about the bus services between city, kew and Doncaster areas as I see that there are certain amount of patornage from Melbourne Central and some other stops to kew and doncaster from 8pm to 12mid everyday... It'd be good if 301 and 305 runs until midnight followed by the shorten cut on 200 like this...

Craig wrote: 201: Revised route at Kew. From Kew Junction it will operate via Princess Street, Willsmere Road, Earl Street South and Valerie St to East Kew. This will avoid duplication with 48 tram on Doncaster Road.
I don't think 201 is duplicated with tram 48, but I believe that it is duplicated with bus 302. Why don't 201 (and 200 as well) be extended to longer place like, the Pines?
Craig wrote: 202 / 302: 202 deleted, with all existing trips extended to/from the City via 302. No more hourly offpeak service on 302!
So 302 will go to city at per 30 minutes daily on weekdays and Saturdays?
Craig wrote: 203: Replaced by upgraded 313. This however means there will be no freeway bus along the short-section of Bulleen Road between Eastern Freeway and Doncaster Road,

205: Deleted.
Quite pity that these 2 routes to be killed....but I guess 205 would work if it goes freeway?
Craig wrote: 207: Revised route at Kew. From Kew Junction it will operate via Princess Street, Willsmere Road, Earl Street South and Valerie St to East Kew. This will avoid duplication with 48 tram on Doncaster Road. It is also planned that the 207 will terminate at Shoppingtown, to avoid duplicating the 307 and 902, both of which will run at Smartbus standard.
I agree with the change in kew, it really duplicated with tram 48. However, I'd suggest 207 to be extended as well, like, going to the Pines or somewhere?
Craig wrote: 216: Split into two separate routes in City. Southern half truncated at Elsternwick, with 923 providing coverage to Elsternwick - Brighton Beach section (although part of New Street will now be unserved). Suggested to terminate in City at Queen Victoria Market.

219: Also split into two separate routes in City. Southern half truncated at Elsternwick. However, it will not follow the 216 into the city. It will instead continue up Williams Rd, then via Toorak Rd, St Kida Rd, Park Street, Clarendon St and Spencer St to terminate at Spencer/Lonsdale Streets. This will provide a direct link from South Melbourne to South Yarra. Depending on the stage 2 feedback, the 216 and 220 could also be re-routed via South Melbourne.

220: As per 216 / 219 plans, its proposed 220 will be split in the City and now terminate at Elsternwick. 605 & 627 will still provide coverage south of Glenhuntly Road. There was also a option to run the Orrong Road bus to Burnley instead...see under New Route "AC".
Why don't these long routes go SMART?
Craig wrote: 284: Route to become a direct link from Box Hill to Latrobe Uni. At Doncaster Park+Ride it will head up the Eastern Freeway to Bulleen Road, then run along Bulleen Road, Manningham Road, Banksia Street, Bell-Banksia Link, Bell Street and Waterdale Road. Its not planned to operate via Heidleberg station, as there is already the 551 to pick up passengers here.
It is really EXCELLENT to extend it into northern district (as there is really lack of links between East to North). But I don't think that going to Eastern Freeway is an efficient way. High Street lacks of daily bus services, why don't 284 goes High Street and then Manningham Road? It is even a shorter and direct way isn't it?
Craig wrote: 285: The loop around North Balwyn will be simplifed, and no longer will the route double-back on itself.
I don't have any comments to it at this moment as there is already a great change to 284.
Craig wrote: 313: The section between Templestowe and Doncaster Park+Ride will be deleted, as its largely covered by 309. The route would operate full time, and not a few peak trips, in order to replace 203.
But do they know there is NO SERVICES among High Street after dark and even whole days in weekends????

I appreciate 313 goes daily run, but please, don't delete the High Street section. Unless 309 goes operating in weekends, otherwise please keep High Street be helped with daily services. You can't easily imagine some elderly walk upward from park&ride to high street village, or even far more.
Craig wrote: 315: Deleted.
So sad...
Craig wrote: 548: Proposed extension from Cotham Road (Deepdene) to Victoria Gardens Shopping Centre via Burke and Barkers Road. This would also provide improved coverage from Ivanhoe etc to the numerous schools in Kew.

605: Extended from Gardenvale to Middle Brighton. No longer runs via Rose St or Orrong Rd, now running direct via Toorak & Kooyong Rds. The new "AC" route would enhance the grid in this area.
Hope these help the route become popular, I found not much people knows there are buses from kew to latrobe...
Craig wrote: 703: Some changes to route at Brighton end - no longer operates along Bay Street (North Brighton Station).
A bit large project to change a SMART route isn't it? huh...
Craig wrote: 766: Extended from Burwood to Glen Waverley along Highbury Road, Gyton Avenue, Willow Avenue, Medina Ave, High Street Road and Snedden Drive and Railway Parade North. Provides a direct link from Surrey Hills to Glen Waverley, although somewhat indirect from Box Hill.
Can't agree anymore.
Craig wrote: 903: No changes.
could there be some official limited express services?
Craig wrote: New route 'M":Direct bus from Camberwell to Heathmont via Canterbury Road, via Forest Hill and Brentford Square Shopping Centres.
wow! I feel excited to see more about this.
Craig wrote: As routes 246, 301, 303, 304, 305, 306, 307, 308, 309, 316, 318, 319, 340, 350, 684, 742, 800, 802, 804 & 862 aren't really in the review area, plans for these routes were not mentioned, even though they are listed on the DoT website as being part of this review.
Hope that the route 246 303 306 and 309 could be greatly improved....

Thanks for Craig to update these news :)
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Quite pity that these 2 routes to be killed....but I guess 205 would work if it goes freeway?
The 205 was only a few buses to serve Melbourne Uni, it's only a short walk from the existing full time bus routes (about a block or two depending on where in Melbourne Uni you're going), hardly enough to justify even the special route provided.
However, I'd suggest 207 to be extended as well, like, going to the Pines or somewhere?
Everybody loves The Pines, don't they <sigh>. What's wrong with all the buses that currently serve The Pines and go everywhere in Doncaster and Templestowe and the city already? There are about 12 routes go through or past there, surely that's enough to be going on with. The routes mainly go to The Pines because it's a convenient place to turn around and generates some traffic being a SMALL shopping centre. The main reason for the routes to exist is the roads it travels along to get to The Pines and wherever it goes in the opposite direction, ie local traffic going somewhere. Having been to The Pines on a number of occasions, I suspect the local service provision is highly generous. NBC drivers can feel free to correct me. Then on top of that The Pines is about to get the yellow orbital Smartbus as well...
Why don't these long routes go SMART?
'They' don't want to create too high a demand for orange and silver paint in such a short space of time else the price will go up too much to match the demand and make it too expensive to paint buses making the economics of new Smartbus routes unviable...
It is really EXCELLENT to extend it into northern district (as there is really lack of links between East to North). But I don't think that going to Eastern Freeway is an efficient way. High Street lacks of daily bus services, why don't 284 goes High Street and then Manningham Road? It is even a shorter and direct way isn't it?
I agree, it's a great idea for a route. High Street is certainly not shorter or direct, much of a muchness. On the other hand, Freeway and Bulleen road will be much quicker due to fewer traffic lights and higher speeds. Still, I probably agree it should run the way you have suggested as I'm sure there are people along High St and Manningham Rd who would like to use the service at the risk of adding a few minutes to the journey for those coming from further south. Maybe running it up Ayr Street might be a good compromise in avoiding a few sets of lights and providing a service somewhere there currently isn't one.
I appreciate 313 goes daily run, but please, don't delete the High Street section
Let me guess, you live near High St? :wink:
I found not much people knows there are buses from kew to latrobe...
That surprises me, most people I know are aware of it and it's been going for a long time from the area (Mont Park before, then as well as Latrobe). It's the only real North-East cross suburban route between Clifton Hill and Doncaster (the 609 doesn't count as a serious useable bus route).
A bit large project to change a SMART route isn't it? huh...
Not really, I wouldn't have thought moving a few totems would be too big a deal, especially as they are still being rolled out elsewhere.
could there be some official limited express services?
Doubt it, read the thread on the Springvale Rd bus lanes where a similar discussion is going on. There's little point, you get more of a win by adding the extra buses to the existing service and multiplying the benefit by giving better road priority to buses.
Craig wrote:New route 'M":Direct bus from Camberwell to Heathmont via Canterbury Road, via Forest Hill and Brentford Square Shopping Centres.

wow! I feel excited to see more about this.
Yeah? I would have thought most people along there would be going north or south to either the railway or shops. The only traffic generators along there would be the stations/shops at the ends and Forest Hill. Maybe we can start a campaign to make Forest Hill the 'Pines' of the east... :lol:
Hope that the route 246 303 306 and 309 could be greatly improved....
What would you do to improve them?
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Re: Boroondara/Glen Eira/Stonnington Bus Service Review

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Remember everyone that these are only proposals at this stage, same as any of the area areas which have had bus workshops... the DOT still has to decide whether it wants even to do them, and how it will pay for them.
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