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RailCorp ceases to exist today as the remainder of the Transport Administration Amendment (Transport Entities) Act legislation comes into effect. It is now replaced by the Tranpsort Asset Holding Entity (TAHE).
https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/about- ... outh-wales

Also see forum topic: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=85422&p=1064559
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And the game of musical chairs continues, now it is proposed to re-merge NSW TrainLink and Sydney Trains. If government put half as much effort into getting things done as they do with these endless restructures, what a great transport network we would have. All we ever end up is with the same people doing the same jobs with a bit of empire building along the way and some nice fat consultancy fees headed the way of some old mates.

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"All Sydney Trains and NSW TrainLink frontline operations will continue as they are, with no change to the management of core service delivery responsibilities."
A lot will depend how far up the hierarchy the merger takes place. We don't need a return to the CityRail model where suburban quality rolling stock is "lipsticked" for outer-suburban and then intercity use.
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This rumour has been doing the rounds for a couple of years now.
But as I am not a Herald subscriber I cant read the article. I used to have a way around it but I have lost it.
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Opening the articles in incognito window is my workaround for article limits on SMH
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Using your library card, you can access newspapers as an online resource viewing it as the print equivalent format on your screen

Some libraries, including your State Library can send a card/provide temporary card for you to access the resources immediately without ever needing to go to that library.
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Southern XPT services have already started terminating at Albury until further notice due to the border closure, with no replacement service provided south of there. At least this means that they will actually run on time more often than not, on the return journey to Sydney.

Refer to https://transportnsw.info/news/2020/nsw ... o-victoria for further details.
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Electric freight locomotives to return to NSW (don't know about "new technology"though!).
Outer Sydney Orbital, Western Sydney Freight Line: no corridors rezoned for M9 motorway

New electric locomotives will traverse tunnels under southwest Sydney to carry freight to and from the Western Sydney Aerotropolis Line in a move that will drastically cut emissions. SEE THE PLANS
Jake McCallum, NewsLocal State Political Reporter, Macarthur Chronicle

July 9, 2020 7:19am

The western Sydney freight line — which will hug the Outer Sydney Orbital road going to and from the Western Sydney Aerotropolis — will be tunnelled under several southwest Sydney suburbs, relying on electric technology that hasn’t been developed yet.

Transport for NSW confirmed the freight line would be tunnelled alongside the M9 Motorway under Cobbity, and use “new-technology electric locomotives” to traverse freight through the underground corridors in order to meet safety and environmental legislation.
The proposed M9 Outer Sydney Orbital draft corridor, with the tunnel between Cawdor and Cobbitty.

Electric freight locomotives were phased out of widespread use across the state in the early 2000s, being replaced by diesel trains.

However, diesel trains currently in use wouldn’t meet stringent environmental and safety guidelines as there would not be adequate ventilation shafts.

It means the multibillion-dollar project is relying on the completion of new technology to become a reality.
Diesel freight will once again be replaced by newly-developed electric to move trains through the tunnels.

Transport expert and University of Sydney Civil Engineering Professor David Levinson said electric locomotives for freight transport had been used in NSW previously, and was used “much more widespread in Europe”.

“There are no technical reasons freight trains can’t be electrified, and if they have renewable power — which over the next decade will be increasingly common — electrified freight would be much cleaner than diesel overall, and due to lack of emissions, better for operations in tunnels,” Prof. Levinson said.

The use of electric freight trains along the Western Freight Line comes as a Transport for NSW spokeswoman revealed no gazettals or rezonings have occurred to secure the Outer Sydney Orbital transport corridor.

Instead, the department has relied on publishing the proposed corridors in planning documents to “show there are plans for a corridor, without rezoning the land”.

Map of the recommended corridor for the Outer Sydney Orbital
Residents have long campaigned against plans for the Outer Sydney Orbital.

“Maps have been published, but no rezoning (have taken place),” the spokeswoman said.

“This is because there are still some opportunities to refine the corridor alongside land use planning that is taking place across western Sydney.”

The spokeswoman said investigations and consultation for the exact route was ongoing, failing to answer questions around when completed plans would be gazetted.

“While there have been some meeting restrictions because of coronavirus, Transport for NSW has met with a number of stakeholders including landholders and council planners over the past 12 months,” she said.

“To give the community certainty, the recently announced corridors for a future Rail Line between St Marys and Macarthur, Bringelly and Leppington and a dedicated freight rail line between Luddenham and The M7 have been gazetted.”
North South rail link and M9 Motorway corridor planning.

Campbelltown State Labor MP Greg Warren

Shadow Western Sydney spokesman Greg Warren said freight lines and the Outer Sydney Orbital should be available from day one of the Western Sydney Airport opening.

“Rail extensions to Macarthur and Leppington could still be decades away,” he said.

“Transport links for Western Sydney can’t come fast enough, but it looks like the people of Western Sydney won’t be able to access their own airport for years.

“Connectivity to Western Sydney Airport from all parts of the metropolitan area – particularly Western Sydney – is vital to ensuring economic prosperity and jobs growth as well as ensuring the airport can reach its full potential.”
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Yes, I really do not know why the comment regarding new technology for electric locomotives - Europe (Alstrom etc.) has been producing (for domestic and export markets) and continually updating the technology for years and the locomotives are apparently very successful .
Perhaps the memory of the class 86's in NSW is still fresh - they were probably a poor design, suffering cracked frames and other problems.
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THe first of the next batch of B series Waratahs are reported as having arrived at Newcastle. Photo in RailExpress of B26 and (presumably) B25 safely on the tracks
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Here is a video of D1126 and N1726 witch are two cars from B26 getting unloaded off a cargo ship in Newcastle
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Tim Williams wrote: Yes, I really do not know why the comment regarding new technology for electric locomotives - Europe (Alstrom etc.) has been producing (for domestic and export markets) and continually updating the technology for years and the locomotives are apparently very successful.
Perhaps the 'new technology' is bi-mode, something which hitherto hasn't been seen in this country.
Tim Williams wrote: Perhaps the memory of the class 86's in NSW is still fresh - they were probably a poor design, suffering cracked frames and other problems.
Unlikey, Comeng products have generally stood the test of time, the electric locomotives they built for Queensland Rail around the same time remain in service. Cracked frames aren't unusual in rolling stock (or buses for that matter) and many have gone on to have long careers after being remedied. More likely a maintenance (or lack there of) issue. The frame cracking issue didn't occur until the late 90s, by which time electric traction was on the way out in NSW.
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Observations of Train guard working from the front driver leading carriage of a brand new Waratah Train B(e)Set by mechanical problems?
On departure

Internal Destination Indicator says Driver Announcement instead of the usual Guard Announcement

On arrival
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Typically the guard only rides with the driver if, the camera screens have failed, the door controls have failed or the driver requires a second person up the front with them following a near miss, or to press the EMPB as a safety system has failed.

99% of the time it’s a failed camera screen. Which is why I have no hope for the NIF.
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Any clue which of the following will enter revenue service first?
1. upgraded T set
2. D set
3. B set batch 2
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I reckon the B sets will be first. They are existing technology. so should only require set by set validating.

The Ds will probably wait until there are a few sets available to launch.
The Ts? Anybody's guess.
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Have the D sets made it up the blue mountains line in test yet?
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Refer to the separate NIF thread for updates:

https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/news-a ... w-complete
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boronia wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2020 5:54 am Refer to the separate NIF thread for updates:

https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/news-a ... w-complete
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Not sure how new this is as haven't been through in a while but used Martin Place station for the first time in a long while on the weekend.

The cheap looking white box in the concourse that contained the PIDs and formerly ticket machines is gone.

Now replaced by some large ceiling mounted PID screens.
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Railway inspired menu board in coffee shop on northern ramp at Central Station
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Why is the guard at the front of the train on some services?

I noticed that the 12:39 service from Central to East Hills has the guard up the front today? Maybe this particular service requires the guard to be at the front?
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Go back to 13th July for an explanation
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idontknow556 wrote: Fri Aug 07, 2020 12:40 pm Why is the guard at the front of the train on some services?

I noticed that the 12:39 service from Central to East Hills has the guard up the front today? Maybe this particular service requires the guard to be at the front?
Usually due to a fault with the guards equipment at the other end.
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B25 on test at Blacktown platform 3 currently.
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