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Re: New bus contracts to drive improved services (as from 2020)

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iamthouth wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:20 pm Any updates on this? Has there been any tenders released or due yet?
Regions 1,3,12 and 14 are up for re tender as these contracts run out in 2021
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https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/node/11049 for 7, 8 and 9 is the latest I have heard - - nothing on the four in the previous post as all the work being done is on the STA regions at the moment.
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Fleet Lists wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 8:19 pm https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/node/11049 for 7, 8 and 9 is the latest I have heard - - nothing on the four in the previous post as all the work being done is on the STA regions at the moment.
I just hope Transdev will never win more bus contracts in Sydney, preferably Transit Systems, as they are the best bus operator in Sydney I think.
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I would say CDC and Busways will begin to tender for more regions and probably be successful.
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I suspect that every current operator except of course the STA and possibly Punchbowl Bus Co, will be tendering for more regions and any of them could be successful.
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Would Busabout be able to use their Nevilles Bus Service accreditation in more multiple regions if they win bidding for one of the current STA contracts then wins bidding to retain the region 15 contract
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That would depend on how the name of the operator is included in the contract. If you take Transit Systems they use a different accreditation for their two regions and I suspect this would also apply to Busabout.
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Campbelltown busboy wrote: Would Busabout be able to use their Nevilles Bus Service accreditation in more multiple regions if they win bidding for one of the current STA contracts then wins bidding to retain the region 15 contract.
Transdev operate their region 10 and 13 on one accreditation and region 12 on another, while Transit Systems operate 3 and 6 on seperate ones, so appears to depend on how they want to do their accounting.
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STA has a single accreditation for all its regions.
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^ that may have existed to facilitate bus movements between depots to manage average fleet age contract requirements, as you know that all current regions 7, 8 & 9 and fomerly operated Region 6 adjoin each other directly (Region 7 & 8 North Shore) or indirectly (Region 8 & 9 bordered by Sydney Harbour).

Transdev Regions 10 & 13 border each other so one single accreditation for both may exist for the same reason above with STA. Metrobusel services cross over both regions so multiple depots are used.

Transdev Region 12 has a different accreditation as prior to Transdev obtaining full control, the operating business was a joint venture - Transdev Transfield Services Ltd. Region 12 of a geographically isolated from Regions 10 & 13 and there are no operational synergies between regions and depots unless rail replacement is occurring on the T1 Northern line or T8 Airport line. Rail contracts are currently separate and works well with Transdev across the 3 x regions.
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Ownership of regions 10/13 and 12 was completely separate. It was CGEA/Connex/Veolia that operated 10 and 13, whilst Transdev’s joint venture with Transfield (TransdevTSL) operated 12 (Transdev at the time being separate to, and in no way related to Veolia except that they were both French). At some point Transfield sold out of their share in TransdevTSL and thus region 12, leaving Transdev as the sole shareholder for a time before Transdev and Veolia merged to form Veolia Transdev, now named Transdev. It’s all completely clear as mud, but must have kept signwriters and name badge manufacturers busy for years.
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Campbelltown busboy wrote: Tue Dec 29, 2020 6:10 pm Would Busabout be able to use their Nevilles Bus Service accreditation in more multiple regions if they win bidding for one of the current STA contracts then wins bidding to retain the region 15 contract
No. Whoever wins each STA region will need to create separate entities. TfNSW have advised the RBTU/ASU and STA drivers it is a condition of the new contracts that there will be a new entities created that can only be used for the specific region (e.g. should Transdev win two of the three regions they would need to create two new entities, one for each region they won). This is to ensure that the operators can't do what TSA did and bring in drivers on different awards and pay rates. This restricts the future enterprise bargaining to only the former STA drivers, rather than mix of new and ex STA drivers that may out vote the ex STA drivers for a new award that is inferior or not better than what the ex STA drivers get, but would be better than the award the new drivers are brought in on.n.
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Yes I suspected that may have been the case.
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Gusbus wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 12:03 am No. Whoever wins each STA region will need to create separate entities. TfNSW have advised the RBTU/ASU and STA drivers it is a condition of the new contracts that there will be a new entities created that can only be used for the specific region (e.g. should Transdev win two of the three regions they would need to create two new entities, one for each region they won). This is to ensure that the operators can't do what TSA did and bring in drivers on different awards and pay rates. This restricts the future enterprise bargaining to only the former STA drivers, rather than mix of new and ex STA drivers that may out vote the ex STA drivers for a new award that is inferior or not better than what the ex STA drivers get, but would be better than the award the new drivers are brought in on.n.
Creating separate entities has nothing to do with preventing an operator allowing two different driving awards to coexist such as what Transit Systems has in Region 6. Transit Systems have two separate entities in NSW yet have two different driving awards within the Region 6 contract area and applied R3 driving awards to new drivers simply because it was not banned by TfNSW.

The only reason TfNSW will not be allowing two different driving awards to coexist is because the rtbu complained so much and showed how it was failing. The 18 month 'no change to award' for ex STA drivers expired 12 months ago, the rtbu and Transit Systems blame each other for the failure of negotiations. The twu & rtbu continue to fight on and out of court regarding who is the legitimate union and who can represent which drivers.

Operators such as Transdev, CDC NSW Hillsbus and Forest Coach Lines created new entities when they tendered for Region 6 in 2017.

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HHH wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 3:21 pm Creating separate entities has nothing to do with preventing an operator allowing two different driving awards to coexist such as what Transit Systems has in Region 6. Transit Systems have two separate entities in NSW yet have two different driving awards within the Region 6 contract area and applied R3 driving awards to new drivers simply because it was not banned by TfNSW.

The only reason TfNSW will not be allowing two different driving awards to coexist is because the rtbu complained so much and showed how it was failing. The 18 month 'no change to award' for ex STA drivers expired 12 months ago, the rtbu and Transit Systems blame each other for the failure of negotiations. The twu & rtbu continue to fight on and out of court regarding who is the legitimate union and who can represent which drivers.
The RTBU didn’t want region 6 to go up for tender to start with. That union would have not gotten over Transport For NSW placing the T80 into region 3 after 8 years of it being a stand alone STA run route
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The latest in https://www.busnews.com.au/industry-new ... ng-delayed in June last year, indicated that because of a Covid 19 delay, the transfer of regions would not start until May 2021, with region 8 being the first. That is now nearly a year ago and May has now arrived. Any further news on the new contracts?
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Regions 1, 3, 12 and 14 have, or shortly will. reach the end of their 1 year extension on top of their original 7 year term. Regions 2, 4, 5 and 15 reach their 8 year maximum in 2022, throw in the three State Transit regions and that is 11 out of the 14 to be renewed. Does appear that a backlog has built up.
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Back in 2019 this was a statement from the minister:"The NSW Government will invite the world’s leading public transport operators, Australian and international, to bid for contracts for 13 of Sydney’s bus contract regions over the next three years."
With that in mind all 13 regions should be renewed by 2022. Cant see that happening however.
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From what I’ve heard, the new operator for Region 8 will likely be announced by the end of this month. It has also been reported that the tenders for Region 9 have only just closed and that a result on that contract is expected by operators in November

That aligns with the timeline given at some point last year
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I would assume with region 7 somewhere in between say August.
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A bit old, but from the internal website saying Region 8 should be announced sometime this month, with Region 7 to be in July
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Expecting an announcement tomorrow. I understand STA staff will be told who takes over Region 8.
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Region 8 has gone to Keolis Downer for 8 years. All on demand services to be made permanent. Two year job guarantee for STA maintenance staff and drivers
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I guess this makes sense since Keolis Downer already has experience operating on-demand in Northern Beaches, which I believe it's also one of the most popular on-demand service in Sydney.
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