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Strangely not much news about buses that has been pre-released before 18/6/2019 for the 2019-2020 budget.
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swtt wrote:Strangely not much news about buses that has been pre-released before 18/6/2019 for the 2019-2020 budget.
Would that be because StationLink buses were redeployed to normal buses, plus the fact that buses in the Hills District will be cut later this year so they might not have a lot of buses in budget to purchase this year?

Hopefully for Budget 2019-20 we will see a cut of 200 Transport Officers, which will save taxpayers $2 million per year.
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You can see the Commitments to Transport here on the NSW Budget website:

https://www.budget.nsw.gov.au/sites/def ... nsport.pdf

Major bus service commitment only to Northern Beaches:
1. NORTHERN BEACHES BUSES

Deliver a new direct bus service linking Pittwater and Frenchs Forest via the Wakehurst Parkway and start work on developing a turn up and go express bus service linking Dee Why and Chatswood.
Also,
MORE BUS SERVICES TO MEET GROWING DEMAND
14,000 extra weekly bus services across Sydney, Illawarra, Central Coast and the Lower Hunter.
$67.9 million over four years to improve bus services across 15 regional towns
The actual Transport Budget Paper can be seen here:

https://www.budget.nsw.gov.au/sites/def ... 201920.pdf

The state government has announced cuts to 2000 - 3000 public servants. Perhaps 200 Transport Officers will be included then.
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CityRail wrote:
swtt wrote:Strangely not much news about buses that has been pre-released before 18/6/2019 for the 2019-2020 budget.
Would that be because StationLink buses were redeployed to normal buses, plus the fact that buses in the Hills District will be cut later this year so they might not have a lot of buses in budget to purchase this year?

Hopefully for Budget 2019-20 we will see a cut of 200 Transport Officers, which will save taxpayers $2 million per year.
That only cover a small part of Sydney so I dont think that is the reason.
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Interesting in the above is the commitment to reduce the weekly Opal cap as from 1 July 2019.
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Fleet Lists wrote:Interesting in the above is the commitment to reduce the weekly Opal cap as from 1 July 2019.
The government blatantly pork barreled it during the election, they would have been fried had they not followed through with it.

Notice the Gerringong to Berry duplication is included. At 4km long presumably has been strategically placed to allow increased passenger services to pass without needing to stop.
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CityRail wrote: The state government has announced cuts to 2000 - 3000 public servants. Perhaps 200 Transport Officers will be included then.
Why are you so keen on this? Give fare evaders open slather?
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Linto63 wrote:
Fleet Lists wrote:Interesting in the above is the commitment to reduce the weekly Opal cap as from 1 July 2019.
The government blatantly pork barreled it during the election, they would have been fried had they not followed through with it.
But they could have delayed it one or two years. I had expected it to have been part of the next Ipart implementation next year.
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Costed as well

- $17.7 million ($69.6 million over four years) to reduce the Opal Weekly Travel cap by
approximately 20 per cent to $50 per week for adults and $25 per week for child/youth and
concession travel from 1 July 2019 for all train, bus, ferry and light rail customers. This will
benefit approximately 55,000 commuters with savings up to $686 a year. All other Opal
benefits already in place will remain
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Public transport savings for commuters and seniors as cut to weekly Opal fare cap kicks in
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By Matt O'Sullivan
June 18, 2019 — 3.46pm

A lowering of the weekly cap on public transport fares from July 1 and travel benefits for seniors in regional NSW will cost taxpayers at least $160 million over the next four years, budget papers show.

The Coalition’s election promises for transport included a reduction of the weekly cap on Opal fares from $63.20 to $50 for adults, and from $31.60 to $25 for holders of child, youth and concession cards.
The cut to the cap on weekly Opal fares from $63.20 to $50 will come into effect on July 1.

The cut to the cap on weekly Opal fares from $63.20 to $50 will come into effect on July 1. Credit:Peter Rae

With cost-of-living pressures a key political issue, the Berejiklian government also promised to continue a freeze on fares for holders of Gold Opal cards at $2.50 a day for the next four years. The budget papers do not detail the cost to taxpayers of freezing fares for those aged 60 and over.

The cheaper travel for frequent commuters and seniors comes as the Herald revealed last week that the annual subsidy from the government to cover the cost of transport services across the state is forecast to surge from $5.8 billion last year to $9.6 billion in 2028.

The cost to taxpayers of lowering the weekly travel cap for Opal cards is estimated at $70 million over the next four years. The government expects about 55,000 commuters to benefit, thousands of whom will save up to $686 a year.

Transport cards for aged pensioners in regional areas will provide each holder $250 towards fuel, taxis or train tickets each year over the next two years. The election promise has been budgeted to cost the government $90 million over three years.

The changes to Opal benefits come as the government is set to allow the public to use credit and debit cards to pay for travel on buses within the coming weeks.
Commuters will soon be able to use credit and debit cards, and mobile devices, to pay for travel on buses.

Commuters will soon be able to use credit and debit cards, and mobile devices, to pay for travel on buses.Credit:Louise Kennerley

At present, cards and devices such as mobile wallets on smartphones can be used to pay for travel on the state's passenger trains, trams and ferries.

However, commuters who use credit cards and devices do not gain the same benefits as those who swipe their Opal cards, which includes half-price travel after eight trips in a week, or a $2 transfer discount when switching modes of transport such as from a bus to a train.
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Fleet Lists wrote:But they could have delayed it one or two years. I had expected it to have been part of the next Ipart implementation next year.
When announced it was stated it would be from July 2019. https://nsw.liberal.org.au/candidates/g ... -TRANSPORT Whatever Ipart recommends, it is unlikely to be a massive reduction in the cap, but the government had locked itself in, so Ipart's recommendations were never going to be relevant.
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If anything the IPART issues paper seemed to suggest a greater increase for the longer journeys would be appropriate
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CityRail wrote:
1. NORTHERN BEACHES BUSES

Deliver a new direct bus service linking Pittwater and Frenchs Forest via the Wakehurst Parkway and start work on developing a turn up and go express bus service linking Dee Why and Chatswood.
I thought the Chatswood to Dee Why connection that was briefly announced prior to the election might be something that was never mentioned again so good to see it included even if it is fairly vague.
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All day route 136 with limited stops? B2?
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It has also been noted that the Budget includes $1M towards a future connection of the GCLR from Tweed Heads to OOL Aiport
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boronia wrote:It has also been noted that the Budget includes $1M towards a future connection of the GCLR from Tweed Heads to OOL Aiport
Token amount for a project this size. Image

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Might help for a "feasibility study", bearing in mind it is a l o n g way off.
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CityRail wrote:Hopefully for Budget 2019-20 we will see a cut of 200 Transport Officers, which will save taxpayers $2 million per year.
Bit twisted isn't it, hoping for people to lose their jobs? :twisted: Been nabbed have we?
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Linto63 wrote:
CityRail wrote:Hopefully for Budget 2019-20 we will see a cut of 200 Transport Officers, which will save taxpayers $2 million per year.
Bit twisted isn't it, hoping for people to lose their jobs? :twisted: Been nabbed have we?
Transport Officers would be excluded. They're front line staff. Government is cutting back office staff.

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Feature on "new Sydney bus services" on Ch 9 News tomorrow night.
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boronia wrote:Feature on "new Sydney bus services" on Ch 9 News tomorrow night.
Given they mentioned West Ryde, its just a hash up of this http://www.busaustralia.com/forum/viewt ... =3&t=89523
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Also noted the introduction of 8 additional express trains on the T1 Western Line over the morning and evening peak. Presumably, this means 4 additional express trains in each peak period. Does this mean they're reviving the Western Express concept, which had previously slipped off the radar? As there are no more paths available on the Suburban track pair from Strathfield to the CBD and through to the North Shore, they would have to use the Main Line tracks, terminating at and starting from Sydney Terminal, as the peak hour semi-express Northern Line services from Hornsby currently do. The other alternative is to terminate/start all peak hour Northern Line services from and to both Hornsby and Epping at Sydney Terminal, freeing up paths for the Western Line services to continue through the CBD to the North Shore. That wouldn't go down well with the Liberal heartland on the Northern Line, where they've already been shafted, denying them a direct journey to and from Macquarie Park and North Shore destinations, because of the conversion of the ECRL to metro.
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Well there's also no available paths from 716am to 834am from Westmead to Strathfield either (as a train runs every 3 mins - including the mountains services which need to be included as well). Either the trains will be outside these times, or they'll look into signalling upgrades as well.
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In all honesty, in seeing how the current Hornsby via Strathfield trains operate during the peak, I'd rather see Epping trains operate into Sydney Terminal instead to gain more reliability.

At the moment one little brain fart moment on the Shore line kills off everything - almost every time Hornsby via Strathfield is unaffected. Rail Clearways at their best.

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jaseee wrote:Well there's also no available paths from 716am to 834am from Westmead to Strathfield either (as a train runs every 3 mins - including the mountains services which need to be included as well). Either the trains will be outside these times, or they'll look into signalling upgrades as well.
Good point. I can't see them being outside the times you mentioned as they would be needed at the height of the peak. The introduction of ATO may allow for an additional 4tph, but this would seem to be a long way off when T4 conversion to ATO as a first stage is only being rolled out over the next 3 or 4 years. Having said that, the track capacity through to the CBD for outer Suburban and Intercity services still falls well short of what will be needed in the future. Further amplification of the existing network to allow for direct journeys to and from the CBD for outer suburban travellers should receive greater priority than Metro West for example, which is basically servicing a new rail corridor from Parramatta to the CBD through the Inner West, welcome as it is. It's alleged benefit in providing relief to the T1 Western Line is misplaced. It certainly will between Westmead/Parramatta and the CBD, but it will only have a marginal impact on congestion further west, where there is the greatest need for more services. IMO, encouraging greater interchange on the main trunk routes to reach the CBD is not the answer. I urge you to think it through. How practicable or even acceptable is it to provide more services to meet the demand on the outer Suburban lines, as well as Intercity, without having more pathways with amplification through to the CBD, compared with forcing interchange to a metro line, assuming it's convenient, to complete a journey?

We are getting off topic now, so I suggest any further comments should be directed to the Metro West thread.
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