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idontknow556 wrote:I don't know whether if this has been metioned before - The last day for S sets will be on Fri 28th June 2019
Where can you snare one now?
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They mostly run on the Carlingford and Olympic park lines however they are occasionally seen on T2, T3 and T8.
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This Sunday, June 23, marks 40 years of the Eastern Suburbs Railway.

A Media Event has been scheduled to acknowledge this occasion, with Dignitaries and Guests, plus a 4car S set.
This train will not convey the General Public.

Indicative times are : From FMC 0931 hours, Sydney Terminal 0952/1006, Hurstville (to gain access to the ESR) 1030/1044,
Bondi Junction 1122/1130, Hurstville 1209/1216, Sydney Terminal 1240/1253, FMC 1312 hours.
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Person injured by train today at Kogarah at around 7am, then urgent power supply repairs later in the morning today.
As a result, the Bankstown line had quite a few extra services come through at around 1pm, with one being transposed to run non-stop Central to Regents Pk (never seen such a weird stopping pattern!).
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Late notice posting.

Today, Thursday, June 27, Official Farewell to the S sets at Lavender Bay.

A Commemorative Event has been scheduled to acknowledge this occasion, with Dignitaries and Guests, plus a 4car S set.
This train will not convey the General Public.

Indicative times are:
From FMC 0953 hours, Central 1013/1017, Waverton Neck 1033/1040, North Sydney Car Sidings 1045 hours.
From North Sydney Car Sidings 1115 hours, Waverton Neck 1120/1130, Central 1149/1153, FMC 1213 hours.

However, at time of posting, this train is running approximately 1 hour late.
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Scott4570 wrote:Late notice posting.

Today, Thursday, June 27, Official Farewell to the S sets at Lavender Bay.

A Commemorative Event has been scheduled to acknowledge this occasion, with Dignitaries and Guests, plus a 4car S set.
This train will not convey the General Public.

Indicative times are:
From FMC 0953 hours, Central 1013/1017, Waverton Neck 1033/1040, North Sydney Car Sidings 1045 hours.
From North Sydney Car Sidings 1115 hours, Waverton Neck 1120/1130, Central 1149/1153, FMC 1213 hours.

However, at time of posting, this train is running approximately 1 hour late.
Broken down S set? :lol:
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A few months ago, platforms 9,10,11 at Central were extended at the southern end. It is suggested this was to allow for the extra length of 10 car NGIF sets.

However, it now seems that this work was to allow shortening of the northern ends, with a section filled in and new hydraulic buffers installed on 3 tracks.
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https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/end ... 521w0.html
End of the line for Sydney's 'sweat set' trains
Matt O'Sullivan
By Matt O'Sullivan
June 27, 2019 — 5.35pm


Unlike many commuters, NSW's longest serving train guard, Patrick Breen, is sad to see the last of the S-Set trains retired from service on Sydney's suburban rail network.

"They are a fantastic train. They are reliable and, if anything goes wrong with them, they are easy to fix," Mr Breen, 68, said aboard one of the oldest S-Sets in the fleet as it crossed Sydney Harbour Bridge to mark the retirement of the trains.

After 47 years of service, the last of the trains dubbed "sweat sets" by passengers due to their lack of air conditioning will officially be retired in the early hours of Saturday morning when the last timetabled service leaves from Olympic Park Station at 12.02am.
Driver Vince Vassiliou and Transport Minister Andrew Constance on S-Set 3001 as it passes over Sydney Harbour Bridge on Thursday.

Driver Vince Vassiliou and Transport Minister Andrew Constance on S-Set 3001 as it passes over Sydney Harbour Bridge on Thursday. Credit:Brook Mitchell

Despite many passengers' feelings about them, the S-sets have a special place in the hearts of Mr Breen and wife Sandra, 65, a train driver for the past 16 years, who have worked together on the trains – him at the back and her at the front.
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"The question she always asks me is, 'was I all right?' Mr Breen said. "She loves working on them because there are no issues with them. The older you get, the less technology you like."

Air-conditioning units were placed in the driver cabins of the S-Sets more than 15 years ago but not fitted in carriages because of power supply issues and a lack of suitable places to put them.

In recent years, the trains have been kept in service for much longer than the government planned because of the need for extra trains to meet a surge in patronage. Over the past five years, the number of trips taken annually has risen from 300 million to 420 million.
S-Set 3001 is one of the oldest in the government-owned fleet and will be retained for heritage rides.

S-Set 3001 is one of the oldest in the government-owned fleet and will be retained for heritage rides.Credit:Brook Mitchell

Transport Minister Andrew Constance said the S-Sets had been "very much the heavy lifters" of the rail network for decades but it was now time for them to be retired.

"For many commuters, the days of sweating in summer and freezing in winter are now behind [them]," he said. "It's great to be able to decommission the train once and for all and ensure the entire trains network has air conditioning for our customers."

The last of a recent order of 24 new Waratahs trains the government purchased to replace the S-Sets entered service this week, and will be followed by the first of another batch of 17 next year.

But Vince Vassiliou, who steered S-Set 3001 over the Harbour Bridge on Thursday, said it would be sad to see them retired.
Former rail engineer Geoff Moss marked the retirement of the S-Sets on Thursday.

Former rail engineer Geoff Moss marked the retirement of the S-Sets on Thursday.Credit:Brook Mitchell

"I like the trains because they are simple. It's a bit like older cars," said Mr Vassilou, who has been driving the S-Sets since 1982.

Geoff Moss was the engineer in charge of Sydney's electric trains when the first S-Sets were introduced on May 10, 1972. He said the most noticeable feature of the trains when they first entered service was that they had more seats than the Red Sets, commonly known as "red rattlers".

The S-Sets were the first trains in Australia made up entirely of double-deck carriages, and operated as four- and eight-car on the suburban rail network.
Railworker Paul Linney drove the S-Sets from 1979 to 2009.

Railworker Paul Linney drove the S-Sets from 1979 to 2009. Credit:Brook Mitchelll

Of the 509 S-Set carriages in the government-owned fleet, 14 will be kept for heritage purposes while the rest have been scrapped or are destined for the crusher.

S-Set 3001, which was used to open the Eastern Suburbs rail line in May 1979, will be one of the lucky ones and used for heritage rides.
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Saying farewell to Comeng is the worst thing - and V sets next. After the S the NSW Labor governments had a policy of giving work to Newcastle and we got those awful Goninan cars with the upper deck windows so low you couldn't see out of them and the ugly slab ends. It's been a struggle to get a decent double decker since Comeng. While they're now nicer outfitted and perform better, their passenger comfort is poor. Comeng had the knack of knowing how to do these things.
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They only became real sweat sets when City Failure replaced the four way opening windows with those blinking hopper (hotter!) opening windows.
They just had to meddle and fit those utterly hideous flip dot displays that hardly worked properly, all just to meet somebody's agenda at the time, no doubt.
If the single decker suburban sets could stay so long, why not these far smoother and low consumption trusty FJ Holden of sets linger indefinitely? Oh yes, Liberal politics so they can say THEY got rid of them.
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The windows were replaced for safety reasons, made it virtually impossible for limbs to hang out and also reduced the risk of passengers being hit by graffiti scum spray painting trains as the passed by. They were a great train and served us well, but their time has come. Think I am correct in saying they are the only remaining non air-conditioned commuter trains in Australia.
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We'll still have the K and C sets a bit longer and the C sets bare a striking resemblance to the Comeng driving cars thanks to the fibreglass masks fitted on their fronts.
This is a big deal to someone who has only known a Sydney with S sets since birth. It will be weird to know these are really no longer around, even if closely based variants will go on. Frustratingly, the characteristic jet engine sounding traction motors get drowned out by the overly loud A/C system.

The first stainless double deckers were the first V sets in 1969, so we get to enjoy essentially the same but improved 1980s versions that remain for the time being, some of which are the earlier models with the delightful cam sound that sounds similar to the U-boats. It's all in stages.
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boronia wrote:A few months ago, platforms 9,10,11 at Central were extended at the southern end. It is suggested this was to allow for the extra length of 10 car NGIF sets.

However, it now seems that this work was to allow shortening of the northern ends, with a section filled in and new hydraulic buffers installed on 3 tracks.
It's for both reasons; the new concourse and the longer trains.
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mandonov wrote:It's for both reasons; the new concourse and the longer trains.
However 8 car V sets now occupy the full length of these platforms, so they either won't be able to handle the 10 car NIFs or further extensions will be needed.
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I notice that "14 S set carriages will be retained for heritage purposes". (Another paper said 10)Seems an odd number, but it should encompass a good selection of variants. Maybe a couple of spare parts cars as well?
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Linto63 wrote:
mandonov wrote:It's for both reasons; the new concourse and the longer trains.
However 8 car V sets now occupy the full length of these platforms, so they either won't be able to handle the 10 car NIFs or further extensions will be needed.
Tonight a 8V on pl 10 took up almost the full length. An 8H on 11 had room for maybe 1-1/3 more cars.
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According to TripView Tangaras are replacing S sets on the T7 Lidcombe to Olympic Park loop on weekdays from Monday
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^ four car Millenium on the Carlo line according to Tripview.
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Swift wrote:^ four car Millenium on the Carlo line according to Tripview.
TripView says M sets are rostered on weekend Carlingford line where Carlingford line weekday rosters are K sets from Monday according to TripView
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boronia wrote:
Linto63 wrote:However 8 car V sets now occupy the full length of these platforms, so they either won't be able to handle the 10 car NIFs or further extensions will be needed.
Tonight a 8V on pl 10 took up almost the full length. An 8H on 11 had room for maybe 1-1/3 more cars.
Just for the record, an 8 car V set has a length of 192m and a 10 car Oscar, on which the NIF is based, has a length of 204m. That compares with the pretty standard lengths of 8 car Oscars, Waratahs, Millenniums and Tangaras of approximately 163m.
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S135 doing the honours tonight on the Olympic Park run. She’s doing it well right till the end
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Swift wrote:Oh yes, Liberal politics so they can say THEY got rid of them.
Do you have to twist everything to be about your political views? I highly doubt that had the ALP been elected in March, that their ministry would have made a decision to retain them.

By the way, the order for the original Waratah (A set) fleet, ordered to replace the L/R/S sets, was actually placed back in December 2006 by the Iemma Labor Government ;)
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Was on a train this morning on the western line towards the city and the driver completely forgot to stop at westmead.

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Schedules are as follows (according to a lookup program I wrote myself, which probably has some bugs):
[Ignoring all 8 car runs on T7 as they are probably for special events]
L1/L2: 4T from 1st July, 4K from 20th July on both weekends and weekdays
48: 4K weekdays only
49: 4K weekdays, 4M weekends
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Swift wrote: The first stainless double deckers were the first V sets in 1969, so we get to enjoy essentially the same but improved 1980s versions that remain for the time being, some of which are the earlier models with the delightful cam sound that sounds similar to the U-boats. It's all in stages.
The DDIU sets were The Blue Goose U Sets completely different to what is running around now.
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