New Intercity Fleet Purchases/Observation

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Linto63
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rogf24 wrote: Ah, good ole unions. Let's have a snap strike.
According to Fair Work employers are required to give three days notice, before industrial action commences. Seeing that there was no notice given, were TfNSW advised but elect not to advise the public, or did the RBTU break the rules. Either way, somebody needs a kicking.
moa999 wrote: Guards jobs are not long for this world.
As long as their are disabled passengers, unstaffed stations and short platforms, there will be guards.
Campbelltown busboy wrote: This is the same union that is saying that the governments plan to put the remeining 3 STA contracts up for tender will equal to the winning bidders overriding Transport For NSW and have a feild day with cutting the number of stops and services
It's a propaganda campaign, telling porkies goes with the territory.
rogf24 wrote: And more to the point, private operators can't cut services, that power will still be with TfNSW.
Private operators can't cut services, but they can cut standards, e.g Transit Systems keeps its region 6 artics locked up on Sundays, even in summer on services to Coogee, although these have now ceased. By comparison State Transit beefs up its beaches services with artics on its beach services.
tonyp wrote: Tell me what is different about NSW commuter train operation and the same in Perth, Melbourne etc where there is only a driver.
It probably is physically possible, but would be a bun fight that the government may not have the stomach for. Perth started electric operations with 2 car trains, so easier to implement, and Melbourne introduced OMO when the Kennett government was axing tens of thousands of public jobs so a couple of hundred guard jobs probably wasn't a big deal politically. That said staffing every station in Melbourne every night with two cops would cost a bit.
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Linto63 wrote: Sun Nov 29, 2020 10:08 pm It probably is physically possible, but would be a bun fight that the government may not have the stomach for. Perth started electric operations with 2 car trains, so easier to implement ...
There was supposedly a long, bitter fight about electrification when it came to light that guards would be removed from the trains. More here.

Do the Guards on the trains in NSW have varying responsibilities, or are entirely different departments and staff responsible for things like Customer Service, Revenue Protection and Security?
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Merc1107 wrote: Mon Nov 30, 2020 12:28 am here was supposedly a long, bitter fight about electrification when it came to light that guards would be removed from the trains. More here.
Wow, that's a great paper with some useful tips for NSW. I know Bob, a lovely gentleman and very clever. The reference to the Perth system as a metro vindicates what I've been saying for ages when trying to explain what a rapid transit rail system is to those who struggled (and some who still struggle) to conceptualise the Sydney metro. Bob knew exactly what he was aiming for.

It's interesting that the drivers had no problem with one person operation and there were innovative solutions for redeploying the guards. Similarly in NSW, the government is trying to redeploy the guards as roving CSOs on the trains but off-train redeployment doesn't seem to have been mentioned yet.
Perpetually on a T3 to "I. P. Pavlova, přestup na Metro. Příští zastávka, Náměsti Míru"
Linto63
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Merc1107 wrote: Do the Guards on the trains in NSW have varying responsibilities, or are entirely different departments and staff responsible for things like Customer Service, Revenue Protection and Security?
Generally they remain in their cabs, although they do wheelchair assists at unstaffed stations. With NSW trains not having door control equipment at all doors, not practical for them to roam trains where stations are close together, although occasionally they venture out on the longer stretches. Revenue protection is the domain of revenue protection officers.
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Linto63 wrote: Mon Nov 30, 2020 7:41 am With NSW trains not having door control equipment at all doors, not practical for them to roam trains where stations are close together
I thought some of our earlier DD trains did have that originally but it got removed?
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Yes that is so.
Living in the Shire.
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Hopefully the trains actually enter service soon, if it gets delayed again that would be a bit disappointing
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