With that many doors a typical stop dwell should be no more than about 15 seconds. I can understand that there's a period of settling in and establishing optimum operation, but I've never seen any new tram line anywhere being given months to undergo this process and at such low average speeds. It's really quite ridiculous. Modeling for the operation was done ten years ago. They know what it takes but they're reluctant to commit to it. I suspect some last minute stuff including argy bargy over traffic light cycles and understandable alarm about the prevalence of the issue of motor vehicles blocking intersections and pedestrians doing lemming runs are giving them cold feet.
The best solution to that is to run the trams down George St at 50 km/h but of course the collateral damage is unacceptable. Apart from education, they need to have plod out in force on both motorists and pedestrians with the pen and infringement pad.
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Wednesday Evening, December 11, the majority of Light Rail Drivers were in their issued Uniforms, together with Lanyards.
Orange Vested Construction outfits should now not be required.
Observed the following arrivals and departures at Circular Quay on Wednesday between the hours of 1610 and 1840.
If they were simulating a Timetable with a frequency of a Vehicle every 4 minutes, results did not present a "Turn-up-and-go" service after 1700 hours.
Vehicles may have been turned short, or they were concentrating on other operational aspects. Drivers may not have been Rostered up after 1700 hours.
Keys for this table: C = Central, R = Randwick. Three Platforms (P): Centre Platform = 1, Closest Platform to Railway = 2, Times format = hhmm:ss
Arrive_____ P ___Vehicles__Depart__Desto__| . . . Arrive______P___Vehicles__Depart___Desto
_._._._. ---- 3 ---- 15/16 --- 1611:06 --- C . . |. . . . 1701:42 ---- 1 ---- 4/3 ------ 1705:00 --- C
1620:00 ---- 1 ---- 45/46 --- 1626:30 --- C . . |. . . . 1704:48 ---- 3 ---- 15/16 --- 1708:18 --- C
1625:30 ---- 2 ---- 20/19 --- 1632:18 --- R . . |. . . . 1711:48 ---- 1 ---- 27/28 --- 1716:54 --- R
1630:00 ---- 1 ---- 36/35 --- 1634:18 --- R . . |. . . . 1719:48 ---- 1 ---- 45/46 --- 1722:24 --- C
1632:18 ---- 3 ---- 47/48 --- 1638:18 --- R . . |. . . . 1720:36 ---- 2 ---- 1/2 ------ 1725:30 --- R
1634:48 ---- 2 ---- 32/31 --- 1640:36 --- R . . |. . . . 1728:00 ---- 2 ---- 21/22 --- 1731:48 --- R
1638:12 ---- 1 ---- 42/41 --- 1644:06 --- R . . |. . . . 1746:00 ---- 1 ---- 8/7 ------ 1749:06 --- R
1643:42 ---- 3 ---- 38/37 --- 1647:12 --- C . . |. . . . 1758:06 ---- 1 ---- 23/24 --- 1805:48 --- C
1646:06 ---- 2 ---- 11/12 --- 1650:24 --- R . . |. . . . 1810:12 ---- 1 ---- 4/3 ------ 1812:24 --- C
1654:42 ---- 1 ---- 23/24 --- 1658:48 --- C . . |. . . . 1816:00 ---- 1 ---- 20/19 --- 1818:54 --- R
Last night wouldn’t have been representative of anything other than how the light rail will cope with Protests at Town Hall. It was interesting to see the system crumble with the protest, and it doesn’t suggest it will cope if that happens whilst the line is in service, which will happen from time to time.
J_Busworth wrote:Last night wouldn’t have been representative of anything other than how the light rail will cope with Protests at Town Hall. It was interesting to see the system crumble with the protest, and it doesn’t suggest it will cope if that happens whilst the line is in service, which will happen from time to time.
It's really going to depend on the NSW police, do they try to keep the tracks clear ? or 'close everything down' for 'public safety'.
The Police have a long history of closing roads and causing buses to divert when protests block streets. It will require a change of process and tactics to keep a 'fixed' route clear. The police will close Town Hall Square and then wonder why the trams couldn't divert via Pitt Street
You joke about this, but the light rail has a sufficient number of turn backs for short running, should events like this occur. They can always terminate at Central is something like this comes up in the future. Or better yet, make future protests happen exclusively along the eastern side of the CBD like at Macquarie St.
Unless the light rail is not following the timetable this Saturday, I expect this Saturday's first service to be the 11:00 service from Circular Quay, and then the 11:07 service from Randwick. A bit disappointing it runs every 15 minutes on weekends. Maybe they will make an exception for this weekend given the anticipated high crowds.
marcnut1996 wrote:Unless the light rail is not following the timetable this Saturday, I expect this Saturday's first service to be the 11:00 service from Circular Quay, and then the 11:07 service from Randwick. A bit disappointing it runs every 15 minutes on weekends. Maybe they will make an exception for this weekend given the anticipated high crowds.
Don't forget about L3 between CQ and Central. It would give a combined L2/L3 frequency of 7.5 min in the city on weekends.
Tripview showing 6min schedule both ways on Saturday and 50/51 min for CQ-Randwick
Also still no sense that the Moore Park Bus Interchange actually becomes an Interchange.
Only scheduled service seems to be for Wed night T20 game (mistakenly still shown as stopping on Driver Ave)
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marcnut1996 wrote:Unless the light rail is not following the timetable this Saturday, I expect this Saturday's first service to be the 11:00 service from Circular Quay, and then the 11:07 service from Randwick. A bit disappointing it runs every 15 minutes on weekends. Maybe they will make an exception for this weekend given the anticipated high crowds.
Don't forget about L3 between CQ and Central. It would give a combined L2/L3 frequency of 7.5 min in the city on weekends.
I have been observing the "timetabled" operation in the CBD sections over the last couple of Sundays. They have been operating well in excess of a 7.5 min frequency, sometimes every couple of minutes. Last Sunday I did not see any L3s running at all, everything was L2. This afternoon, around 17:00-30 there was a constant procession of L2s along Eddy Ave.
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I know they said they were starting off slow but they've got at least 15 minutes to make up on there. The old tram system got between CQ and Central in a couple of minutes faster with twice as many intermediate compulsory stops and you've all seen old photos of the massive crowds that boarded them. They were also faster Central to Randwick with more than twice as many stops. Then there's the comparison with the bus times. One of the original objectives was to give people a faster journey than the buses (even with the interchanging?). I hope they get their act together after the "trial" and not just a token couple of minutes better. This running time is downright embarrassing.
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