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moa999 wrote:
Fleet Lists wrote: Unfortunately I have not seen where TfNSW has made that statement - a reference would be appreciated.
As above - on the SLR Facebook page. These are probably the two most relevant responses.

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Swift wrote:That's ludicrous beyond belief. The trip will feel as long as it took to be built!!
There's a lot of hanging around at stops doing nothing in the testing over the last few weeks. Will be frustrating if it's like that in operation.
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With that many doors a typical stop dwell should be no more than about 15 seconds. I can understand that there's a period of settling in and establishing optimum operation, but I've never seen any new tram line anywhere being given months to undergo this process and at such low average speeds. It's really quite ridiculous. Modeling for the operation was done ten years ago. They know what it takes but they're reluctant to commit to it. I suspect some last minute stuff including argy bargy over traffic light cycles and understandable alarm about the prevalence of the issue of motor vehicles blocking intersections and pedestrians doing lemming runs are giving them cold feet.

The best solution to that is to run the trams down George St at 50 km/h but of course the collateral damage is unacceptable. Apart from education, they need to have plod out in force on both motorists and pedestrians with the pen and infringement pad.
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boronia wrote:The new tram-bus interchange in Rawson Place now looks completed

Will buses now set down and terminate in Pitt St behind the church (for inbound transfers) and hook left into Rawson to pick up?
The Parramatta Rd services are rumoured to no longer stop at Pitt St & Barlow St when this new stop is opened.
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Stu wrote:
boronia wrote:The new tram-bus interchange in Rawson Place now looks completed

Will buses now set down and terminate in Pitt St behind the church (for inbound transfers) and hook left into Rawson to pick up?
The Parramatta Rd services are rumoured to no longer stop at Pitt St & Barlow St when this new stop is opened.
So they'll all turn right at Rawson and left to George, back to Railway Sq?

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"a bus route today from Central to UNSW costs $3.73". Eh ?
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The people who post this stuff on FB just CnP from a template of responses, prepared by someone who also has little understanding of terminology.
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Wednesday Evening, December 11, the majority of Light Rail Drivers were in their issued Uniforms, together with Lanyards.
Orange Vested Construction outfits should now not be required.

Observed the following arrivals and departures at Circular Quay on Wednesday between the hours of 1610 and 1840.
If they were simulating a Timetable with a frequency of a Vehicle every 4 minutes, results did not present a "Turn-up-and-go" service after 1700 hours.
Vehicles may have been turned short, or they were concentrating on other operational aspects. Drivers may not have been Rostered up after 1700 hours.

Keys for this table: C = Central, R = Randwick. Three Platforms (P): Centre Platform = 1, Closest Platform to Railway = 2, Times format = hhmm:ss
Arrive_____ P ___Vehicles__Depart__Desto__| . . . Arrive______P___Vehicles__Depart___Desto
_._._._. ---- 3 ---- 15/16 --- 1611:06 --- C . . |. . . . 1701:42 ---- 1 ---- 4/3 ------ 1705:00 --- C
1620:00 ---- 1 ---- 45/46 --- 1626:30 --- C . . |. . . . 1704:48 ---- 3 ---- 15/16 --- 1708:18 --- C
1625:30 ---- 2 ---- 20/19 --- 1632:18 --- R . . |. . . . 1711:48 ---- 1 ---- 27/28 --- 1716:54 --- R
1630:00 ---- 1 ---- 36/35 --- 1634:18 --- R . . |. . . . 1719:48 ---- 1 ---- 45/46 --- 1722:24 --- C
1632:18 ---- 3 ---- 47/48 --- 1638:18 --- R . . |. . . . 1720:36 ---- 2 ---- 1/2 ------ 1725:30 --- R
1634:48 ---- 2 ---- 32/31 --- 1640:36 --- R . . |. . . . 1728:00 ---- 2 ---- 21/22 --- 1731:48 --- R
1638:12 ---- 1 ---- 42/41 --- 1644:06 --- R . . |. . . . 1746:00 ---- 1 ---- 8/7 ------ 1749:06 --- R
1643:42 ---- 3 ---- 38/37 --- 1647:12 --- C . . |. . . . 1758:06 ---- 1 ---- 23/24 --- 1805:48 --- C
1646:06 ---- 2 ---- 11/12 --- 1650:24 --- R . . |. . . . 1810:12 ---- 1 ---- 4/3 ------ 1812:24 --- C
1654:42 ---- 1 ---- 23/24 --- 1658:48 --- C . . |. . . . 1816:00 ---- 1 ---- 20/19 --- 1818:54 --- R
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Yesterday would have been impacted by this at Town Hall:

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/syd ... 53iyc.html
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Last night wouldn’t have been representative of anything other than how the light rail will cope with Protests at Town Hall. It was interesting to see the system crumble with the protest, and it doesn’t suggest it will cope if that happens whilst the line is in service, which will happen from time to time.
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J_Busworth wrote:Last night wouldn’t have been representative of anything other than how the light rail will cope with Protests at Town Hall. It was interesting to see the system crumble with the protest, and it doesn’t suggest it will cope if that happens whilst the line is in service, which will happen from time to time.
It's really going to depend on the NSW police, do they try to keep the tracks clear ? or 'close everything down' for 'public safety'.

The Police have a long history of closing roads and causing buses to divert when protests block streets. It will require a change of process and tactics to keep a 'fixed' route clear. The police will close Town Hall Square and then wonder why the trams couldn't divert via Pitt Street :-)
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You joke about this, but the light rail has a sufficient number of turn backs for short running, should events like this occur. They can always terminate at Central is something like this comes up in the future. Or better yet, make future protests happen exclusively along the eastern side of the CBD like at Macquarie St.
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STMPainter2018 wrote: Or better yet, make future protests happen exclusively along the eastern side of the CBD like at Macquarie St.
That sort of thing is very difficult to control.
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Sydney's new Light Rail Line; L2 Randwick has now been added to the Trip Planner, Timetables, and Alerts on transportnsw.info.
Here are the links:

Alerts:
https://transportnsw.info/alerts#/light-rail

Route Info:
https://transportnsw.info/routes/detail ... l/l2/780L2

Timetables:
https://transportnsw.info/documents/tim ... 191214.pdf

Trip Planner:
https://transportnsw.info/trip#/?from=1 ... eference=0

New Light Rail Network Map:
https://transportnsw.info/document/4555 ... ap-new.pdf

Glad the Light Rail is finally opening this weekend (14-15/12/19). Hope the smoke doesn't cause too many issues for all concerned.

Hope this is of use and pleasure to all readers and viewers. :)

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Unless the light rail is not following the timetable this Saturday, I expect this Saturday's first service to be the 11:00 service from Circular Quay, and then the 11:07 service from Randwick. A bit disappointing it runs every 15 minutes on weekends. Maybe they will make an exception for this weekend given the anticipated high crowds.
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Last weekend they appeared to be practicing an every 4 minute timetable for the opening weekend.
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So for Sat 11am
Randwick-Central 23min
Randwick-CQ 45min

Vs bus at 18 and 27min ignoring any walking.
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marcnut1996 wrote:Unless the light rail is not following the timetable this Saturday, I expect this Saturday's first service to be the 11:00 service from Circular Quay, and then the 11:07 service from Randwick. A bit disappointing it runs every 15 minutes on weekends. Maybe they will make an exception for this weekend given the anticipated high crowds.
Don't forget about L3 between CQ and Central. It would give a combined L2/L3 frequency of 7.5 min in the city on weekends.
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Timetable/map page https://transportnsw.info/routes/lightrail contains the L2 timetable link but the network map still only consists of L1 - no mention of L2 or L3
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Comparisons (not taking into account traffic)

CQ - Central
via L2 20 mins
via City Circle 10 mins

CQ - Randwick Junction
via L2 45 mins
via 373 22-25 mins

Moore Park - Central
via L2 11 mins
via M50 8 - 10 mins
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Tripview showing 6min schedule both ways on Saturday and 50/51 min for CQ-Randwick

Also still no sense that the Moore Park Bus Interchange actually becomes an Interchange.
Only scheduled service seems to be for Wed night T20 game (mistakenly still shown as stopping on Driver Ave)
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stupid_girl wrote:
marcnut1996 wrote:Unless the light rail is not following the timetable this Saturday, I expect this Saturday's first service to be the 11:00 service from Circular Quay, and then the 11:07 service from Randwick. A bit disappointing it runs every 15 minutes on weekends. Maybe they will make an exception for this weekend given the anticipated high crowds.
Don't forget about L3 between CQ and Central. It would give a combined L2/L3 frequency of 7.5 min in the city on weekends.
I have been observing the "timetabled" operation in the CBD sections over the last couple of Sundays. They have been operating well in excess of a 7.5 min frequency, sometimes every couple of minutes. Last Sunday I did not see any L3s running at all, everything was L2. This afternoon, around 17:00-30 there was a constant procession of L2s along Eddy Ave.
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Maybe after they cut the buses the LR services will get a frequency boost.

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I think it will be tuned before then in March when L3 becomes fully operational.
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I know they said they were starting off slow but they've got at least 15 minutes to make up on there. The old tram system got between CQ and Central in a couple of minutes faster with twice as many intermediate compulsory stops and you've all seen old photos of the massive crowds that boarded them. They were also faster Central to Randwick with more than twice as many stops. Then there's the comparison with the bus times. One of the original objectives was to give people a faster journey than the buses (even with the interchanging?). I hope they get their act together after the "trial" and not just a token couple of minutes better. This running time is downright embarrassing.
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