Probably more down to not being worth it for advertisers/sponsors since sales of SMH are only about 1/3 of the Telegraph and are the smallest capital city circulation in Australia except for Darwin, Hobart, Canberra and Melbourne Age. SMH (and the Age) has lost its commercial pulling power.boronia wrote: Big supplements usually require financial contributions from the benefitting organisation or related advertisers. Maybe social media is a cheaper form of mass education these days?
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In all honesty, the TfNSW website is quite comprehensive and serves as the single source of truth. If people aren't on board with it, they need to get into the 21st century (a fifth of a century late...)tonyp wrote:Probably more down to not being worth it for advertisers/sponsors since sales of SMH are only about 1/3 of the Telegraph and are the smallest capital city circulation in Australia except for Darwin, Hobart, Canberra and Melbourne Age. SMH (and the Age) has lost its commercial pulling power.boronia wrote: Big supplements usually require financial contributions from the benefitting organisation or related advertisers. Maybe social media is a cheaper form of mass education these days?
(The other day on the train I overheard a conversation: "oh there's a new driverless metro to Castle Hill? Really?!?")
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There appears to have been a last minute change to the schedule based on high demand expected tomorrow. Trains will run every 7 minutes instead of 10, and there will only be one sure first train, leaving Tallawong at 11:05am, with the first train out of Chatswood not until 11:06am. Journey time appears to be 2 minutes quicker from Chatswood when compared to services from Tallawong. Not sure why.
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The "first train" would have to leave Tallewong about 10:15 to operate the 11.06 from Chatswood with another 5 empty trains following it.
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Is this a record high frequency for Day 1 of any new service that is being run anywhere in Australia?
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I hope there will be standby trains. In case the demand is beyond expectation, they may operate at 5 minute frequency.J_Busworth wrote:There appears to have been a last minute change to the schedule based on high demand expected tomorrow. Trains will run every 7 minutes instead of 10, and there will only be one sure first train, leaving Tallawong at 11:05am, with the first train out of Chatswood not until 11:06am. Journey time appears to be 2 minutes quicker from Chatswood when compared to services from Tallawong. Not sure why.
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That would require a bit of research to prove and may be confined to services still currently operating. Some Sydney tram services kicked off at headways between one and five minutes from the word go.swtt wrote:Is this a record high frequency for Day 1 of any new service that is being run anywhere in Australia
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Since they’re all driverless wouldn’t they all be on standby? I guess you need a customer service person on the train but you could just put one of the platform folks in if needed.stupid_girl wrote: I hope there will be standby trains. In case the demand is beyond expectation, they may operate at 5 minute frequency.
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The train set still needs to be prepped and dispatched from the depot. While they may have some trains already on 'hot standby' ready to be dispatched if required, most of the non-in-service trains will probably require cleaning then an engineering staff member to walk through and ensure the train is fit to enter service.flitter wrote:
Since they’re all driverless wouldn’t they all be on standby? I guess you need a customer service person on the train but you could just put one of the platform folks in if needed.
They probably don't just push a button in the control room, and wake up a train sight-un-seen and put in service with no checks what so ever.
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Tripview is showing slightly longer journey times for today (up 40/down 38), whereas from standard from tomorrow is 37 each way.
Assuming 5 min turnaround at each end, the round trip today is 88 min.
Hence they would need 13 trains @ 7 min frequency today. Increasing to 5 min frequency would require 18. There are 22 trains.
5 min peak frequency at 37 mins and 4-5 min change over starting tomorrow, is a round trip of roughly 80-85 mins requiring 16 or 17 trains.
With anticipated large crowds (eg see crowd control barriers already set up last night at Rouse Hill, courtesy reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/sydney/comment ... has_lines/), it will be a challenge today to maintain scheduled door opening times.
Regardless all this, quite excited about the first day of this absolute fantastic piece of engineering.
Assuming 5 min turnaround at each end, the round trip today is 88 min.
Hence they would need 13 trains @ 7 min frequency today. Increasing to 5 min frequency would require 18. There are 22 trains.
5 min peak frequency at 37 mins and 4-5 min change over starting tomorrow, is a round trip of roughly 80-85 mins requiring 16 or 17 trains.
With anticipated large crowds (eg see crowd control barriers already set up last night at Rouse Hill, courtesy reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/sydney/comment ... has_lines/), it will be a challenge today to maintain scheduled door opening times.
Regardless all this, quite excited about the first day of this absolute fantastic piece of engineering.
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I believe you can access it free if coming from a twitter link such as https://mobile.twitter.com/JakeMcCallum ... 2642419712
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Normally on a metro set like this there would be four double-leaf doors per side per car (the one door per five linear metres rule). The reduction to three would reflect some concern about seating capacity and recognition of the fact that, like the Perth trains, this is a hybrid rapid transit/S-bahn system. The new Perth C series were going to be four doors too but they've dropped the spec back to three. It shouldn't make too much difference to the dwell time - it would be similar to Melbourne's - and is a hell of a lot better than two doors.Engineering wrote: With anticipated large crowds (eg see crowd control barriers already set up last night at Rouse Hill, courtesy reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/sydney/comment ... has_lines/), it will be a challenge today to maintain scheduled door opening times.
Regardless all this, quite excited about the first day of this absolute fantastic piece of engineering.
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All existing stations which now operate Metro services, including Chatswood and Epping now have the new format station guides. Thus they no longer have the map which for other existing stations still include the bus routes and the stands from which they depart. For that you need to rely on the list of routes linked to which does not include the stands.Fleet Lists wrote:In Transport Info the records for the new Metro stations are of a slightly different format than other stations and include a map - see https://transportnsw.info/stop-details?q=10104006#/ Tallawang as opposed to the one for Epping https://transportnsw.info/stop?q=10101429#/ which links to a separate map or Beecroft https://transportnsw.info/stop?q=10101197#/ where there is no map.
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And it hit Apple Maps yesterdaymoa999 wrote:Line now shown on Google Maps transport overlay
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Caught the 2nd train out of Tallawong today. It looks like everything is running smoothly, but the trains are having issues with stop announcements and the PIDs. Both trains I've caught - from Tallawong and the one I'm on at the moment from Chatswood, have had their systems totally nonfunctional except for glitchy moments on the elevated section where they either came on too late, or they indicated the wrong side that the doors would open (this was approaching Chatswood).
This train I'm on at the moment has blank PIDs showing the wrong time, and absolutely no audio announcements.
This train I'm on at the moment has blank PIDs showing the wrong time, and absolutely no audio announcements.
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The aircon wasn’t working on my first trip out of Epping. It got quite warm, and the dot matrix PID’s weren’t functioning. However the line map above the doors with the time and journey progression worked well. It’s also the smoothest train ride I’ve ever been on that I barely needed to hold on to anything throughout the whole trip.
On my return trip though, we get to Epping from Tallawong and are held there for more than 15 minutes. I’m actually not sure how long it ended up being because I gave up and got off to get my CCN train that I was intending to reach via Chatswood and Hornsby. Announcements on the platform said a train at Mac Park broke down, however there weren’t any announcements on the train itself so people onboard didn’t really know what was up if they didn’t have their head sticking out the doors.
People on the broken down train on reddit said they were detrained and that it was manually driven back westwards.
On my return trip though, we get to Epping from Tallawong and are held there for more than 15 minutes. I’m actually not sure how long it ended up being because I gave up and got off to get my CCN train that I was intending to reach via Chatswood and Hornsby. Announcements on the platform said a train at Mac Park broke down, however there weren’t any announcements on the train itself so people onboard didn’t really know what was up if they didn’t have their head sticking out the doors.
People on the broken down train on reddit said they were detrained and that it was manually driven back westwards.
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^^I thought they did testing equivalent to four times around the globe, yet they couldn't avoid glitches and poor communication on the opening day.
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I noticed the barely audible or no functioning DVA which seems to be tied to the door closing warning/chimes which is worrying.
Was on a train back when the door warning sprung to life:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aTyQE2vygc
That repeated until Macquarie Park when the DVA suddenly started working (and the door warnings too).
On a trip towards Tallawong the train indicated that door was out of service (the door being a platform door) but decided to open the door anyway:
The major issue I saw was the trains constantly overshooting stops. One case at Tallawong it overshot and then decided to turn itself around (which apparently took a few minutes to do) before correcting itself and opened the doors.
Was on a train back when the door warning sprung to life:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aTyQE2vygc
That repeated until Macquarie Park when the DVA suddenly started working (and the door warnings too).
On a trip towards Tallawong the train indicated that door was out of service (the door being a platform door) but decided to open the door anyway:
The major issue I saw was the trains constantly overshooting stops. One case at Tallawong it overshot and then decided to turn itself around (which apparently took a few minutes to do) before correcting itself and opened the doors.
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The Herald has reported there were 57000 people that rode the line in 4 hours.
On average, this is 14250 people per hour, or 7125 people per hour per direction, but obviously not evenly distributed.
What's the throughput for a 3 min service on Sydney Trains?
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Edit: 75000 in 5 hours now as a rough figure. 15000 per hour, 7500 per direction.
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Edit: The PPP documents for the Waratah sets is 2244 passengers on a crush load.
https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/sites/ ... ces%29.pdf
So at 7 min intervals (8 trains per hour), which would amount to ~17k passengers, very uncomfortably.
On average, this is 14250 people per hour, or 7125 people per hour per direction, but obviously not evenly distributed.
What's the throughput for a 3 min service on Sydney Trains?
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Edit: 75000 in 5 hours now as a rough figure. 15000 per hour, 7500 per direction.
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Edit: The PPP documents for the Waratah sets is 2244 passengers on a crush load.
https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/sites/ ... ces%29.pdf
So at 7 min intervals (8 trains per hour), which would amount to ~17k passengers, very uncomfortably.
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I knew it was best not to go try it out today.swtt wrote:The Herald has reported there were 57000 people that rode the line in 4 hours.
On average, this is 14250 people per hour, or 7125 people per hour per direction, but obviously not evenly distributed.
What's the throughput for a 3 min service on Sydney Trains?
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I went up to Chatswood about 2 pm to check it out.
The queue for the metro ran from the gates almost down to Victoria Ave, then back up the laneway and into the Post Office underpass. Passengers were being let through the gates one train load at a time. I saw one set depart from P.3 just after my down Lindfield service arrived on p.4, and the first car didn't seem all that full.
As well as the metro trains reversing south of the platform, a spare set was stabled in the down dead end. "Guiding lines" to show position of carriage doors have been placed on plat 4, but are just too inconspicuous to notice, and their purpose would be beyond the intellgence of the average commuter. . They really need some solid hatching or distinctive colour (but even that is often ignored in other platform scenarios).
Although travel was free today, and I didn't ride, I decided to buy a "first day ticket" as a physical souvenir of the event. I was able to tap off when I arrived at Chatswood, but readers had been turned off when I left an hour later
The queue for the metro ran from the gates almost down to Victoria Ave, then back up the laneway and into the Post Office underpass. Passengers were being let through the gates one train load at a time. I saw one set depart from P.3 just after my down Lindfield service arrived on p.4, and the first car didn't seem all that full.
As well as the metro trains reversing south of the platform, a spare set was stabled in the down dead end. "Guiding lines" to show position of carriage doors have been placed on plat 4, but are just too inconspicuous to notice, and their purpose would be beyond the intellgence of the average commuter. . They really need some solid hatching or distinctive colour (but even that is often ignored in other platform scenarios).
Although travel was free today, and I didn't ride, I decided to buy a "first day ticket" as a physical souvenir of the event. I was able to tap off when I arrived at Chatswood, but readers had been turned off when I left an hour later
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BeauGiles wrote:Yes.boronia wrote:Although it is free travel on the line today, would it be possible to buy an Opal single trip ticket from, say, Chatswood to Tallewong as a "first day of travel" souvenir?
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