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andy_centralcoast wrote:A much different approach to the past when proposed timetables were widely available for comment by the community, and the proposed timetable was posted on the CityRail website and displayed on station posters that also outlined key changes.
Of course that was in the days when timetabling was seen as an operational issue.

Now it is highly political (both sides of politics guilty) where either the premier, minister and/or local member must be able to announce and get the complete credit for every micro change in scheduling or carriage numbers that might possibly benefit commuters, and any perceived negative (less trains at some stations or need for increased interchange) is never acknowledged.
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Any word on a possible extension of N91 to Rouse Hill as part of the line opening? (Hopefully for the sake of your avatar it won't change, swtt!)
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ed24 wrote:Any word on a possible extension of N91 to Rouse Hill as part of the line opening? (Hopefully for the sake of your avatar it won't change, swtt!)
Wouldn't that simply be handled by 607x, or a 607N?

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I presume we won't see any information regarding opening dates and bus plan changes until April 14th at the earliest? I'd expect the T-Way services (including the 607x) to remain unchanged for the time being, but not sure about others.


I miss the days of getting a STA "we might be change your service, what do you think?" brochure six months out, then a month before a detailed brochure of all the changes including the ways that "they listened".
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I think it'll come out sooner than 14/4.

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J_Busworth wrote: I miss the days of getting a STA "we might be change your service, what do you think?" brochure six months out, then a month before a detailed brochure of all the changes including the ways that "they listened".
The usual responders to "community feedback" are people who are terrified of the word "change" and/or feel that PT should be tuned to their specific travel needs. Get feedback from 1000 people, you get 1000 different opinions.

The best example I've seen of this was in the Better Buses East plan back in the early 2000s. It was proposed that some Anzac Pde services would be diverted away from Taylor Square to speed up access to the CBD. The response was this would create extreme difficulty for elderly people needing to get to places like St Vincents Hospital, etc; this idea was canned. At the same time, it was proposed that some Clovelly services could actually be diverted to Taylor Square (perhaps to actually provide this connectivity) - but these customers overwhelmingly did not want this to happen. Nobody in Clovelly gets sick?

The days of pandering to personal preferences are long gone. Using Opal travel data wisely to meet the needs of a majority of travellers provides a better outcome.
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boronia wrote:
J_Busworth wrote: I miss the days of getting a STA "we might be change your service, what do you think?" brochure six months out, then a month before a detailed brochure of all the changes including the ways that "they listened".
The usual responders to "community feedback" are people who are terrified of the word "change" and/or feel that PT should be tuned to their specific travel needs. Get feedback from 1000 people, you get 1000 different opinions.

The best example I've seen of this was in the Better Buses East plan back in the early 2000s. It was proposed that some Anzac Pde services would be diverted away from Taylor Square to speed up access to the CBD. The response was this would create extreme difficulty for elderly people needing to get to places like St Vincents Hospital, etc; this idea was canned. At the same time, it was proposed that some Clovelly services could actually be diverted to Taylor Square (perhaps to actually provide this connectivity) - but these customers overwhelmingly did not want this to happen. Nobody in Clovelly gets sick?

The days of pandering to personal preferences are long gone. Using Opal travel data wisely to meet the needs of a majority of travellers provides a better outcome.
It is possible that the patients of St Vincents Hospital prefer to live along Anzac Pde (which has direct bus service) rather than Covelly (which does not have direct bus service).
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swtt wrote:I think it'll come out sooner than 14/4.

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I guess the data will be uploaded to Trip Planner in next couple of weeks. However, Transport for NSW will only launch a campaign to help make commuters aware of changes to buses in the north west about three weeks before they are introduced.
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I wonder when they'll officially announce renaming the Northern Line from T1 to T9 and returning it to its previous colour.

However this is a bit confusing to me, because the T9 trains from Hornsby via Epping will continue on to be Hornsby/Berowra via Gordon trains.

It would have made more sense to do T9 Northern & North Shore (red Hornsby Circle), and then have T1 Western & Richmond (yellow up to Lindfield).

Unless the timetable massively changes, at least on weekends the Sector 3 operating patterns are:
  • T1 Penrith to Lindfield via Central.
  • T1 Richmond to North Sydney via Central.
  • T9 Hornsby to Central via Epping, continuing as T1 Central to Hornsby/Berowra via Gordon.
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It is nowhere near as clear cut during the week though with many trains from Hornsby continuing out west in the Parramatta direction and vice versa.
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andy_centralcoast wrote:I wonder when they'll officially announce renaming the Northern Line from T1 to T9 and returning it to its previous colour.
According to https://transportnsw.info/future-trackwork-calendar

No later than May 11
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andy_centralcoast wrote:I wonder when they'll officially announce renaming the Northern Line from T1 to T9 and returning it to its previous colour.

However this is a bit confusing to me, because the T9 trains from Hornsby via Epping will continue on to be Hornsby/Berowra via Gordon trains.

It would have made more sense to do T9 Northern & North Shore (red Hornsby Circle), and then have T1 Western & Richmond (yellow up to Lindfield).

Unless the timetable massively changes, at least on weekends the Sector 3 operating patterns are:
  • T1 Penrith to Lindfield via Central.
  • T1 Richmond to North Sydney via Central.
  • T9 Hornsby to Central via Epping, continuing as T1 Central to Hornsby/Berowra via Gordon.
28/4.

Sydney Trains timetable change there, Metro opening the week after.

Also they could well swap Hornsby via Epping to become Gordon terminators instead of Berowra/Hornsby via Pymble.

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The question is about an announcement and not the implementation date which is known to be 28/4.
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Fleet Lists wrote:The question is about an announcement and not the implementation date which is known to be 28/4.
The political cynic in me would suggest any announcement would be made within 24 hours of the swearing in of the new cabinet.

The engineer in me is saying it is brave person who would make a 100 % sign off to the government on a start date of a radically new massive infrastructure project before having done
1: full peak timetable trials of the entir fleet in both dry and wet conditions
2: some type of human testing of a large bunch of volunteers (old people, mothers with babies, wheelchair) of full trains and full platforms, of at least some of the key stations like CHatswood and Epping to verify if design, timing and behavioural assumptions are reasonably close to correct.
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Post in NSW Railway Observations that they've been doing some testing this weekend with out of service trains.
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Does anyone know the official opening date for the Sydney Metro Northwest?
I have heard from one source May 5, but am not sure if that is entriely true or not. I am hoping to be there for the opening day, so am wanting to know the date.
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If it has been officially announced, it would be in the posts above.
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Transport Buff wrote:Does anyone know the official opening date for the Sydney Metro Northwest?
I have heard from one source May 5, but am not sure if that is entriely true or not. I am hoping to be there for the opening day, so am wanting to know the date.
Thanks if anyone has more info.
There's been a few station open days already, but you should be able to sign up to check out Rouse Hill Station in a fortnights time. Follow this link to register https://www.sydneymetro.info/community- ... t-stations


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Northwest station??
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Fleet Lists wrote:Northwest station??
Well the city and sw aren't ready for public inpection yet :wink:
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The post said the Inspection was at Rouse Hill but the link goes to Northwest.
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I attended the Castle Hill Metro station Open Day today. We had the freedom to wander around both at ground level, the concourse and the platform level and there were plenty of customer service representatives there to answer questions. I stayed for around 45 minutes and in that time I saw 3 trains being tested heading towards Chatswood which did not stop at Castle Hill.

The one notable thing was they refused to give a definite date for the opening of the Metro despite the widely reported date of May 6 in the media. Some of the workers were even saying June would be closer to the mark.

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grimlock81 wrote:I attended the Castle Hill Metro station Open Day today. We had the freedom to wander around both at ground level, the concourse and the platform level and there were plenty of customer service representatives there to answer questions. I stayed for around 45 minutes and in that time I saw 3 trains being tested heading towards Chatswood which did not stop at Castle Hill.

The one notable thing was they refused to give a definite date for the opening of the Metro despite the widely reported date of May 6 in the media. Some of the workers were even saying June would be closer to the mark.
Of course customer service representatives should not give a definite date for the opening when nothing has been announced officially.

I suspect the workers are talking about the landscaping work completion date rather than train operation start date. It is quite common for the workers to continue landscaping work while trains are operating.
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none of the stations on new metros in china are that wide.

most of them do have escalators at each end, though.
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grimlock81 wrote:Image
I wonder if they are actually going to limit it to show just the next 2 trains, rather than use the full screen.

I have heard that they won't publish a timetable at all, so not sure how that will translate to times appearing in apps like TripView.
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