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Forest's total of 121 includes 14 vehicles which are either coaches, buses off contract used for charter work, second hand buses purchased for charter work and the one Rosa.

From memory only about 12-15 of Coastal Liner's vehicles are used on TfNSW contracted services. The confusing part with the Outer Metro contracts is that high floor school buses (eg a SB50 body) can be in the contract for school only shifts, so picking them out from the day coaches is difficult unless you know the detailed utilisation of the fleet.

There is also the technicality of whether to include Forest & Coastal Liner's hybrid 'green TfNSW' liveries in the figures.

I suppose this raises the question of whether an additional field (and another level of complexity) is desired in the fleetlists to note if a vehicle is on a TfNSW contract? And yes, I fully understand that the fleetlists are provided to us at no cost by a band of volunteers who could be doing something else with their time than follow up on every suggestion put forward here.
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Looking at the figures provided shows some pretty sobering facts about the TfNSW livery.Maybe the idea was good to have a uniform livery at the time but in reality the rollout has a been a complete failure.

Various levels of compliance to address the livery only serve that it will take decades to rollout completely.The public is not interested in livery but quality of service,safety,value for money and providing the service that meets it's needs.

Operators with contracts have lost their identities to just be goverment contractors thus their personal pride and presentation takes a back seat - they do their best on what they are provided with and paid for but when business is only running on a fixed term contract with no guaranteed renewal of contract and you dont control your destiny,you can understand the operators position.'

Overall,when you see the presentation of vehicles,patch work liveries,AOA's covering many vehicles,it all reinforces the perception that standards have fallen.

Final point is that other transport entities have also given up on livery change.NSW Trainlink Regional has decided to remain in base Countrylink livery on rail rolling stock.Several XPT power cars and trailers have just been repainted in Countrylink colours.

Look,many will disagree with my views - take it or leave it but if people knew a few years ago when this all kicked off that this would be the state of play in 2016,it might have been canned.
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So much rapid change in state leadership hasn't helped.
They should have just introduced STA corp v2 to the rest of the operators, once they effectively became government run anyway.
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Repeating my beginning of the month summary now including the three Hillsbus ones and also 1 extra STA bus.
This also includes the figures posted by iamtouth taking the fleet figures from the fleet list but excluding vehicles on TV plates - not perfect but better than nothing. This will now be included every time I do such a summary,
Busabout……………………. 57 …………. 3.82% …………. 1 …………. 117 …………. 48.72
Coastal Liner……………….. 2 ………….. 0.13% …………. …………. 21 …………. 9.52
Dions………………………… 6 …………. 0.40% …………. …………. 18 …………. 33.33
Forest Coach Lines……….. 37 ………… 2.48% …………. …………. 121 …………. 30.58
Interline……………………… 46 …………. 3.08% …………. 2 …………. 94 …………. 48.94
Unknown Operators……….. 6 …………. 0.40% …………. 2 …………. 6 …………. 100.00
Port Stephens………………. 5 …………. 0.34% …………. …………. 44 …………. 11.36
Premier Illawarra…………… 46 …………. 3.08% …………. …………. 186 …………. 24.73
Punchbowl………………….. 57 …………. 3.82% …………. …………. 79 …………. 72.15
Red Bus Service…………… 24 …………. 1.61% …………. …………. 95 …………. 25.26
Rover Motors…………….. 16 …………. 1.07% …………. …………. 48 …………. 33.33
Transdev…………………… 74 …………. 4.96% …………. -1 …………. 446 …………. 16.59
CDC …………………………… 254 …………. 17.02% …………. 14 …………. 998 …………. 25.45
Busways……………………. 133 …………. 8.91% …………. …………. 473 …………. 28.12
STA…………………………….. 581 …………. 38.94% …………. 5 …………. 2166 …………. 26.82
Transit Systems……….. 148 …………. 9.92% …………. 3 …………. 223 …………. 66.37
…………………………………. 1492 …………. 100.00% …………. 26 …………. 5135 …………. 29.06
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Thanks Fleet Lists, your efforts and those of the others maintaining the lists are appreciated 8)
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Busabout……………………. 57 …………. 3.78% …………. …………. 117 …………. 48.72
Coastal Liner……………….. 2 ………….. 0.13% …………. …………. 21 …………. 9.52
Dions………………………… 6 …………. 0.40% …………. …………. 18 …………. 33.33
Forest Coach Lines……….. 37 ………… 2.45% …………. …………. 121 …………. 30.58
Interline……………………… 46 …………. 3.05% …………. …………. 94 …………. 48.94
Unknown Operators……….. 5 …………. 0.33% …………. -1 …………. 5 …………. 100.00
Port Stephens………………. 5 …………. 0.33% …………. …………. 46 …………. 10.87
Premier Illawarra…………… 47 …………. 3.12% …………. 1 …………. 187 …………. 25.13
Punchbowl………………….. 57 …………. 3.78% …………. …………. 78 …………. 73.08
Red Bus Service…………… 24 …………. 1.59% …………. …………. 95 …………. 25.26
Rover Motors…………….. 16 …………. 1.06% …………. …………. 48 …………. 33.33
Transdev…………………… 75 …………. 4.97% …………. 1 …………. 447 …………. 16.78
CDC …………………………… 266 …………. 17.64% …………. 12 …………. 1006 …………. 26.44
Busways……………………. 133 …………. 8.82% …………. …………. 473 …………. 28.12
STA…………………………….. 584 …………. 38.73% …………. 3 …………. 2169 …………. 26.92
Transit Systems……….. 148 …………. 9.81% …………. …………. 223 …………. 66.37
…………………………………. 1508 …………. 100.00% …………. 16 …………. 5148 …………. 29.29


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It has been almost 6 years since the first bus in TfNSW livery was introduced. I don't recall TfNSW publishing any milestones relating to this long running project. I do wonder what the benchmarks and milestones are or if indeed they do exist at all?
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If there were any, I think they have disappeared under the latest government which appears to have withdrawn funding for such repaints.
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Busabout……………………. 57 …………. 3.75% …………. …………. 117 …………. 48.72
Coastal Liner……………….. 2 ………….. 0.13% …………. …………. 21 …………. 9.52
Dions………………………… 6 …………. 0.39% …………. …………. 18 …………. 33.33
Forest Coach Lines……….. 37 ………… 2.44% …………. …………. 121 …………. 30.58
Interline……………………… 46 …………. 3.03% …………. …………. 94 …………. 48.94
Unknown Operators……….. 5 …………. 0.33% …………. …………. 5 …………. 100.00
Port Stephens………………. 5 …………. 0.33% …………. …………. 46 …………. 10.87
Premier Illawarra…………… 47 …………. 3.09% …………. …………. 187 …………. 25.13
Punchbowl………………….. 57 …………. 3.75% …………. …………. 77 …………. 74.03
Red Bus Service…………… 24 …………. 1.58% …………. …………. 95 …………. 25.26
Rover Motors…………….. 16 …………. 1.05% …………. …………. 48 …………. 33.33
Transdev…………………… 75 …………. 4.94% …………. …………. 447 …………. 16.78
CDC …………………………… 269 …………. 17.71% …………. 3 …………. 1007 …………. 26.71
Busways……………………. 137 …………. 9.02% …………. 4 …………. 477 …………. 28.72
STA…………………………….. 588 …………. 38.71% …………. 4 …………. 2165 …………. 27.16
Transit Systems……….. 148 …………. 9.74% …………. …………. 223 …………. 66.37
…………………………………. 1519 …………. 100.00% …………. 11 …………. 5148 …………. 29.51

Wow another BIG month with an increase of 11.
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Given these figures and the rate of changeover,we might get somewhere close about the year 2050.Don't worry,someone in authority will come up with another livery sometime in the future to rebrand for the sake of rebranding
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As some of us have noted previously, what a waste of time and money,effectively leaving the Sydney route bus market without effective branding of either individual operators,routes ,and without the corporate branding the TFNSW livery was supposed to represent.Utterly pointless.
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Its interesting to note that in Melbourne Ventura's fleet of 500 vehicles is in PTV livery two years after the contract signing. At least someone seems to be trying.
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Busabout……………………. 57 …………. 3.67% …………. …………. 117 …………. 48.72
Coastal Liner……………….. 2 ………….. 0.13% …………. …………. 20 …………. 10.00
Dions………………………… 6 …………. 0.39% …………. …………. 18 …………. 33.33
Forest Coach Lines……….. 37 ………… 2.38% …………. …………. 119 …………. 31.09
Interline……………………… 46 …………. 2.96% …………. …………. 94 …………. 48.94
Unknown Operators……….. 5 …………. 0.32% …………. …………. 5 …………. 100.00
Port Stephens………………. 5 …………. 0.32% …………. …………. 46 …………. 10.87
Premier Illawarra…………… 51 …………. 3.28% …………. 4 …………. 191 …………. 26.70
Punchbowl………………….. 56 …………. 3.61% …………. -1 …………. 76 …………. 73.68
Red Bus Service…………… 24 …………. 1.55% …………. …………. 94 …………. 25.53
Rover Motors…………….. 15 …………. 0.97% …………. -1 …………. 46 …………. 32.61
Transdev…………………… 82 …………. 5.28% …………. 7 …………. 451 …………. 18.18
CDC …………………………… 273 …………. 17.58% …………. 4 …………. 1009 …………. 27.06
Busways……………………. 144 …………. 9.27% …………. 7 …………. 481 …………. 29.94
STA…………………………….. 602 …………. 38.76% …………. 14 …………. 2171 …………. 27.73
Transit Systems……….. 148 …………. 9.53% …………. …………. 223 …………. 66.37
…………………………………. 1553 …………. 100.00% …………. 34 …………. 5161 …………. 30.09
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Punchbowl Tiger Cub wrote:Given these figures and the rate of changeover,we might get somewhere close about the year 2050.
Oh no worries, I quite like the existing livery better :)) the Ansair Oranas just look off with the TfNSW livery imo, I'm used to seeing it (mostly!) only on newer bus-types, and here we are.. I find it strange they're going to the expense (hopefully not anymore) of applying new livery when considering that bus type is supposed to be undergoing retirement now.
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Generally speaking older bus refurbishments into the new livery have ceased, which largely explains the slow down in the growth of the new livery roll out.
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It was an interesting novelty seeing it appear on various existing buses while it lasted. Many enthusiasts would be relieved for it to cease. Many would like new buses to stop receiving it.
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I find the TfNSW livery hideous on some vehicles like STA's 1213. On some vehicles it's perfectly fine. Imagine an STA Bustech in corporate livery. Maybe just maybe we might have a majority of vehicles in TfNSW livery once the domination of VSTs to NSW is complete.
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Frosty wrote:I find the TfNSW livery hideous on some vehicles like STA's 1213. On some vehicles it's perfectly fine. Imagine an STA Bustech in corporate livery.
At least we got to see what one was like without resorting to paint programmes on computer screens. I'm glad no others were done. The Orana Scania L113s look good in it to me.
Corp vers. II looks surprisingly good on everything it touches. It looks cleaner than original corporate and does away with that stupid asymmetrical sweep at the rear 1/4!
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New TfNSW livery on the HIllsbus bendy bus.
EDIT: I have attached the wrong link. The correct link is https://www.facebook.com/CDC-NSW-156576584823894
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That link takes you to a different page that doesn't show the Hillsbus bendy bus.

I found it on the CDC NSW page
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I would very much like to see a photograph, not a video. I have very limited data download. And can we avoid relying on Facebook to see it?
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marcnut1996 wrote:New TfNSW livery on the HIllsbus bendy bus.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Seven-Hi ... 6669088237
Woulds that be m/o 8466 which was changed in the fleet list a couple of weeks ago?
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Busabout……………………. 57 …………. 3.60% …………. …………. 116 …………. 49.14
Coastal Liner……………….. 2 ………….. 0.13% …………. …………. 20 …………. 10.00
Dions………………………… 7 …………. 0.44% …………. 1 …………. 19 …………. 36.84
Forest Coach Lines……….. 40 ………… 2.53% …………. 3 …………. 119 …………. 33.61
Interline……………………… 46 …………. 2.90% …………. …………. 94 …………. 48.94
Unknown Operators……….. 5 …………. 0.32% …………. …………. 5 …………. 100.00
Port Stephens………………. 5 …………. 0.32% …………. …………. 44 …………. 11.36
Premier Illawarra…………… 52 …………. 3.28% …………. 1 …………. 189 …………. 27.51
Punchbowl………………….. 56 …………. 3.54% …………. …………. 76 …………. 73.68
Red Bus Service…………… 24 …………. 1.52% …………. …………. 94 …………. 25.53
Rover Motors…………….. 15 …………. 0.95% …………. …………. 46 …………. 32.61
Transdev…………………… 84 …………. 5.30% …………. 2 …………. 453 …………. 18.54
CDC …………………………… 274 …………. 17.30% …………. 1 …………. 1009 …………. 27.16
Busways……………………. 155 …………. 9.79% …………. 11 …………. 485 …………. 31.96
STA…………………………….. 614 …………. 38.76% …………. 12 …………. 2169 …………. 28.31
Transit Systems……….. 148 …………. 9.34% …………. …………. 223 …………. 66.37
…………………………………. 1584 …………. 100.00% …………. 31 …………. 5161 …………. 30.69
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Swift wrote:I would very much like to see a photograph, not a video. I have very limited data download. And can we avoid relying on Facebook to see it?
Can't help it. CDC NSW likes to do things on social media now.
Fleet Lists wrote:Woulds that be m/o 8466 which was changed in the fleet list a couple of weeks ago?
Not sure, the video doesn't show clearly the fleet number.
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Swift wrote:And can we avoid relying on Facebook to see it?
As long as it's not a personal page, you can see it from "outside" fb.

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