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Probably breaking regulations doing so in NSW.
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Telfords operated one for quite some time as seen here in 2014 http://www.busaustralia.com/gallery/dis ... ?pos=-9816
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Sorry, there is no such regulation.
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notes yesterday most new BUSWAYS buses on the central coast are A.O.A & THE ONLY BLUE & WHITE AREthe front and the rear bumber bar is dark blue the rest of the bus is adds! why bother paiting them most times the rear desto number is a busways logo!
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Another two months (or a little bit more) and we have only gone up by although as predicted Transit Systems have gone down by 8.
Busabout……………………. 52 …………. 3.60% ………….
Coastal Liner……………….. 2 ………….. 0.14%
Dions………………………… 5 …………. 0.35% ………….
Forest Coach Lines……….. 32 ………… 2.22% …………. 4
Interline……………………… 44 …………. 3.05% ………….
Unknown Operators……….. 4 …………. 0.28% ………….
Port Stephens………………. 5 …………. 0.35% ………….
Premier Illawarra…………… 46 …………. 3.19% ………….
Punchbowl………………….. 54 …………. 3.74% …………. 1
Red Bus Service…………… 24 …………. 1.66% …………. 2
Rover Motors…………….. 16 …………. 1.11% ………….
Transdev…………………… 73 …………. 5.06% …………. 1
CDC ………………………… 236 …………. 16.35% …………. 7
Busways……………………. 133 …………. 9.22% …………. 2
STA………………………….. 573 …………. 39.71% …………. 2
Transit Systems……….. 144 …………. 9.98% -8
………………………………. 1443 …………. 100.00% …………. 11
All the impetus seems to have gone out of this.
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Another two months
Busabout……………………. 56 …………. 3.82% …………. 4
Coastal Liner……………….. 2 ………….. 0.14%
Dions………………………… 6 …………. 0.41% …………. 1
Forest Coach Lines……….. 37 ………… 2.53% …………. 5
Interline……………………… 44 …………. 3.00% …………. 2
Unknown Operators……….. 4 …………. 0.27% ………….
Port Stephens………………. 5 …………. 0.34% ………….
Premier Illawarra…………… 46 …………. 3.14% ………….
Punchbowl………………….. 57 …………. 3.89% …………. 3
Red Bus Service…………… 24 …………. 1.64% ………….
Rover Motors…………….. 16 …………. 1.09% ………….
Transdev…………………… 75 …………. 5.12% …………. 2
CDC ………………………… 240 …………. 16.38% …………. 4
Busways……………………. 133 …………. 9.08% ………….
STA………………………….. 575 …………. 39.25% ………….
Transit Systems……….. 145 …………. 9.90% 1
………………………………. 1465 …………. 100.00% …………. 22
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The unknown operator including demo?
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Hillsbus'es seen in TfNSW livery recently
m/o 1450
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Busabout……………………. 57 …………. 3.83% …………. 1
Coastal Liner……………….. 2 ………….. 0.13%
Dions………………………… 6 …………. 0.40% ………….
Forest Coach Lines……….. 37 ………… 2.49% ………….
Interline……………………… 46 …………. 3.09% …………. 2
Unknown Operators……….. 6 …………. 0.40% …………. 2
Port Stephens………………. 5 …………. 0.34% ………….
Premier Illawarra…………… 46 …………. 3.09% ………….
Punchbowl………………….. 57 …………. 3.83% ………….
Red Bus Service…………… 24 …………. 1.61% ………….
Rover Motors…………….. 16 …………. 1.08% ………….
Transdev…………………… 74 …………. 4.97% …………. -1
CDC ………………………… 251 …………. 16.87% …………. 11
Busways……………………. 133 …………. 8.94% ………….
STA………………………….. 580 …………. 38.98% …………. 5
Transit Systems……….. 148 …………. 9.95% 3
………………………………. 1488 …………. 100.00% …………. 23
This does not yet include the three Hillsbus ones advised in the previous post.
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At this rate we will have hovering buses before we ever see anywhere near 100% TNSW livery.
I think it is safe to say that the TNSW livery idea (like so many NSW government initiatives) has fallen out of favour due to it no longer feeling like a "fresh start".
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Well one operator *cough* STA has been repainting most of its buses in corporate V2 mostly the O405NHs and the Ansair Scania. Since TfNSW won't pay for the repaint into TfNSW livery.
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I must say, in the case of the 0405NH gas heaters, thank goodness after I saw 1213 the other day.
Deep blue waistband looks a lot better than pastel blue chevrons thanks.
Though, I'd like to see a few more Orana style Volvo B10BLEs be the recipient of the chevrons.
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It makes you wonder what the point and cost of the TFNSW livery exercise is if STA -the government operator ,is no longer repainting their buses in it.
Unfortunately it has just left the Sydney route bus fleet across all the contracted operators just a hotch potch of different liveries,without proper branding of individual operators ,or routes.Really the current situation has completely defeated the purpose of carrying out the TFNSW exercise.
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With 1488 TfNSW liveried buses of about 5092 in the metro areas (Sydney and Outer), the current percentage is about 29%. Most operators are around this percentage, with Coastal Liner, Port Stephens and Transdev trailing, and Busabout, Punchbowl and Transit Systems ahead. As stated previously, with updated liveries mostly applied to new buses or at mid-life refurb, it will take at least 12 years from when the new livery commenced until all are done.

Edit 02/08/2016 23:47 - Updated Busabout TVR to figure below by Fleetlist.
Updated Busabout from 60 to 117 TVR
Updated Busabout from 60 to 117 TVR
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The Busabout percentage should be a lot lower as it is 57 out ot 117 and not out of 60. See the link on page one of this thread.
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The only operator who has taken the TFNSW livery seriously is Punchbowl who is very close to having their complete TFNSW fleet repainted.Unfortunately it was also the operator with the most distinctive individual livery.
The least compliant is Transdev,whose fleet is probably the blandest and poorly presented out of all the contracted operators.
In the above list about half of the operators listed have non TFNSW contracted buses in their fleet.Example is Port Stephens whose TFNSW fleet is about 22 buses out of a fleet size of 71.That would alter the percentages of TFNSW to total fleet.
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Forest's total of 121 includes 14 vehicles which are either coaches, buses off contract used for charter work, second hand buses purchased for charter work and the one Rosa.

From memory only about 12-15 of Coastal Liner's vehicles are used on TfNSW contracted services. The confusing part with the Outer Metro contracts is that high floor school buses (eg a SB50 body) can be in the contract for school only shifts, so picking them out from the day coaches is difficult unless you know the detailed utilisation of the fleet.

There is also the technicality of whether to include Forest & Coastal Liner's hybrid 'green TfNSW' liveries in the figures.

I suppose this raises the question of whether an additional field (and another level of complexity) is desired in the fleetlists to note if a vehicle is on a TfNSW contract? And yes, I fully understand that the fleetlists are provided to us at no cost by a band of volunteers who could be doing something else with their time than follow up on every suggestion put forward here.
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Looking at the figures provided shows some pretty sobering facts about the TfNSW livery.Maybe the idea was good to have a uniform livery at the time but in reality the rollout has a been a complete failure.

Various levels of compliance to address the livery only serve that it will take decades to rollout completely.The public is not interested in livery but quality of service,safety,value for money and providing the service that meets it's needs.

Operators with contracts have lost their identities to just be goverment contractors thus their personal pride and presentation takes a back seat - they do their best on what they are provided with and paid for but when business is only running on a fixed term contract with no guaranteed renewal of contract and you dont control your destiny,you can understand the operators position.'

Overall,when you see the presentation of vehicles,patch work liveries,AOA's covering many vehicles,it all reinforces the perception that standards have fallen.

Final point is that other transport entities have also given up on livery change.NSW Trainlink Regional has decided to remain in base Countrylink livery on rail rolling stock.Several XPT power cars and trailers have just been repainted in Countrylink colours.

Look,many will disagree with my views - take it or leave it but if people knew a few years ago when this all kicked off that this would be the state of play in 2016,it might have been canned.
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So much rapid change in state leadership hasn't helped.
They should have just introduced STA corp v2 to the rest of the operators, once they effectively became government run anyway.
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Repeating my beginning of the month summary now including the three Hillsbus ones and also 1 extra STA bus.
This also includes the figures posted by iamtouth taking the fleet figures from the fleet list but excluding vehicles on TV plates - not perfect but better than nothing. This will now be included every time I do such a summary,
Busabout……………………. 57 …………. 3.82% …………. 1 …………. 117 …………. 48.72
Coastal Liner……………….. 2 ………….. 0.13% …………. …………. 21 …………. 9.52
Dions………………………… 6 …………. 0.40% …………. …………. 18 …………. 33.33
Forest Coach Lines……….. 37 ………… 2.48% …………. …………. 121 …………. 30.58
Interline……………………… 46 …………. 3.08% …………. 2 …………. 94 …………. 48.94
Unknown Operators……….. 6 …………. 0.40% …………. 2 …………. 6 …………. 100.00
Port Stephens………………. 5 …………. 0.34% …………. …………. 44 …………. 11.36
Premier Illawarra…………… 46 …………. 3.08% …………. …………. 186 …………. 24.73
Punchbowl………………….. 57 …………. 3.82% …………. …………. 79 …………. 72.15
Red Bus Service…………… 24 …………. 1.61% …………. …………. 95 …………. 25.26
Rover Motors…………….. 16 …………. 1.07% …………. …………. 48 …………. 33.33
Transdev…………………… 74 …………. 4.96% …………. -1 …………. 446 …………. 16.59
CDC …………………………… 254 …………. 17.02% …………. 14 …………. 998 …………. 25.45
Busways……………………. 133 …………. 8.91% …………. …………. 473 …………. 28.12
STA…………………………….. 581 …………. 38.94% …………. 5 …………. 2166 …………. 26.82
Transit Systems……….. 148 …………. 9.92% …………. 3 …………. 223 …………. 66.37
…………………………………. 1492 …………. 100.00% …………. 26 …………. 5135 …………. 29.06
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Thanks Fleet Lists, your efforts and those of the others maintaining the lists are appreciated 8)
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Busabout……………………. 57 …………. 3.78% …………. …………. 117 …………. 48.72
Coastal Liner……………….. 2 ………….. 0.13% …………. …………. 21 …………. 9.52
Dions………………………… 6 …………. 0.40% …………. …………. 18 …………. 33.33
Forest Coach Lines……….. 37 ………… 2.45% …………. …………. 121 …………. 30.58
Interline……………………… 46 …………. 3.05% …………. …………. 94 …………. 48.94
Unknown Operators……….. 5 …………. 0.33% …………. -1 …………. 5 …………. 100.00
Port Stephens………………. 5 …………. 0.33% …………. …………. 46 …………. 10.87
Premier Illawarra…………… 47 …………. 3.12% …………. 1 …………. 187 …………. 25.13
Punchbowl………………….. 57 …………. 3.78% …………. …………. 78 …………. 73.08
Red Bus Service…………… 24 …………. 1.59% …………. …………. 95 …………. 25.26
Rover Motors…………….. 16 …………. 1.06% …………. …………. 48 …………. 33.33
Transdev…………………… 75 …………. 4.97% …………. 1 …………. 447 …………. 16.78
CDC …………………………… 266 …………. 17.64% …………. 12 …………. 1006 …………. 26.44
Busways……………………. 133 …………. 8.82% …………. …………. 473 …………. 28.12
STA…………………………….. 584 …………. 38.73% …………. 3 …………. 2169 …………. 26.92
Transit Systems……….. 148 …………. 9.81% …………. …………. 223 …………. 66.37
…………………………………. 1508 …………. 100.00% …………. 16 …………. 5148 …………. 29.29


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It has been almost 6 years since the first bus in TfNSW livery was introduced. I don't recall TfNSW publishing any milestones relating to this long running project. I do wonder what the benchmarks and milestones are or if indeed they do exist at all?
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If there were any, I think they have disappeared under the latest government which appears to have withdrawn funding for such repaints.
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