No, it just means that the timetable in term 2 is the same timetable as in term 1 - nothing has changed, and the temporary service reductions during school term are continuing. This all started from someone comparing school holidays timetables against term 2, without being able to reference term 1 timetables for comparison. An easy mistake to do.
I can understand that the school holidays sees a reduction in service levels overall (both school and regular routes, and therefore during school term there should be a consequent increase in services.
But most of the observations made was an actual service reduction going into the school term - so we're saying that there's more regular route services during the holidays than actual school term?
No - from experience, there are actually more services during the school holidays on many routes, as drivers dedicated to school runs are freed up to do route service.
During the school holidays there are often extra 288 services running (from memory it was two extra services each direction during peak). The 288 towards the City isn't often crowded in the evening peak to begin with, and the extra buses during the school holidays seem a bit redundant considering they run almost empty at times (although it does shorten my commute by around 10 minutes).
There seems to be a glitch, where a it would appear that 920 isn't running at all till Mon May 6. Someone unaware may think there is no 920 services till then, but I'm sure we all know that TSA is running 920 services till then.
Just an interesting observation...
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The minor changes that were made to the temporary special event service route 443 in early April have now been published in the downloadable timetable. TfNSW were waiting until the 29/4/2024 - start of school term 2.
The change of operator from Transit to Systems to U-Go Mobility of route 920 Parramatta to Bankstown has taken effect, being operated out of Revesby depot. Back when the route was numbered M92 and operated through to Sutherland, the section north of Bankstown was always more heavily patronised and probably why the six Bustech double deckers were purchased. However these Menai based vehicles remain on route 960.
Linto63 wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 7:09 pm
The change of operator from Transit to Systems to U-Go Mobility of route 920 Parramatta to Bankstown has taken effect, being operated out of Revesby depot. Back when the route was numbered M92 and operated through to Sutherland, the section north of Bankstown was always more heavily patronised and probably why the six Bustech double deckers were purchased. However these Menai based vehicles remain on route 960.
Some trips are also operated by Kingsgrove (The Crescent) too.
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Linto63 wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 7:09 pm
The change of operator from Transit to Systems to U-Go Mobility of route 920 Parramatta to Bankstown has taken effect, being operated out of Revesby depot. Back when the route was numbered M92 and operated through to Sutherland, the section north of Bankstown was always more heavily patronised and probably why the six Bustech double deckers were purchased. However these Menai based vehicles remain on route 960.
A significant source of patronage on that northern section of the M92, the uni campus near Lidcombe, closed a while back. No need for deckers on the 920.
The route 915 weekday peak hour loop service between Sydney University Cumberland Campus and Lidcombe Station was also withdrawn when the former route M92 was split on 24/9/2023.
Of course it's paywalled, but the sensationalist headline about routes to be "axed" and "cut short" suggests it's not likely the article will be praising the revised network...
Bus routes in Sydney’s north will be shortened and some axed as part of a major shake-up of services ahead of the opening of a $21.6 billion metro rail line under the harbour and central city.
Internal documents seen by the Herald reveal the planned route changes for “region seven”, which covers large parts of the north shore and northern suburbs and is operated by private company Busways.
The shake-up is timed to coincide with the opening of the main section of the Metro City and Southwest rail line between Chatswood and Sydenham as early as July, as well as a new timetable for Sydney’s train network.
The proposed changes to bus routes are partly designed to funnel commuters onto the driverless train line. A similar shake-up of bus services in Sydney’s north-west was made in 2019 when the first stage of the metro line between Rouse Hill and Chatswood opened.
Under the latest planned adjustments, route 288 between the Sydney CBD and Epping station via the Warringah Freeway will instead terminate at Macquarie University where a metro train station is located.
Route 294 between the CBD and Macquarie University will be axed, while the 269 service will no longer extend from North Sydney to McMahons Point wharf, instead running only between North Sydney and a loop of Kirribilli.
In addition, route 525 from Parramatta to Strathfield will finish at Sydney Olympic Park instead of running all the way to Strathfield. The N91 night bus service from Macquarie Park to Bondi Junction will terminate at Park Street in the CBD.
Route 115 will operate as a loop service between Chatswood and North Sydney instead of running into the CBD. Route 252 between Gladesville and the CBD will finish at North Sydney rather than run to King Street Wharf.
Likewise, route 261 from Lane Cove to the CBD will terminate at North Sydney instead of King Street Wharf.
Route 259 from the Macquarie Centre to Chatswood will be axed, and partially replaced by a new route – 516 – in a section between Chatswood and North Ryde.
As part of the changes, only bendy buses will operate on the 500X route from West Ryde to the CBD via Victoria Road in an effort to increase passenger capacity. The opening of the Rozelle interchange for the WestConnex tollway late last year caused congestion along Victoria Road, and led to greater demand for public transport.
Extra bendy buses – also referred to as articulated buses – will also run on the 120 route from Chatswood to the CBD.
Transport for NSW Co-ordinator-General Howard Collins said Busways was consulting staff to refine its draft plans for region seven services, and the final timetable would be based on patronage data and passenger feedback.
“The new timetable is being introduced as part of improvements to Sydney’s transport network, aiming to connect more buses to the Sydney Metro,” he said in a statement. “We will update the community once the plans are finalised.”
The agency declined to answer questions about what changes would be made to bus services in other parts of Sydney as a result of the opening of the metro rail line.
Merc1107 wrote: ↑Of course it's paywalled, but the sensationalist headline about routes to be "axed" and "cut short" suggests it's not likely the article will be praising the revised network...
Obviously you didn’t read the article, if you can’t see it better to keep quiet rather than make Ill-informed observations.
Merc1107 wrote: ↑Of course it's paywalled, but the sensationalist headline about routes to be "axed" and "cut short" suggests it's not likely the article will be praising the revised network...
Obviously you didn’t read the article, if you can’t see it better to keep quiet rather than make Ill-informed observations.
If my comment bugs you so much, scroll past it. Besides which, the excerpt given above by another poster hardly contradicts my statement; and the headline, by it's nature, is designed to set a tone for the article and evoke a particular response from the audience. A negatively-worded headline is designed to anger the target audience, make them feel the changes are needless interference, and so on.
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Surprised at the 525 move, I thought 525 and 526 were heavily patronised particularly between Strathfield and DFO. Both also play a key role when the Olympic Park trains aren’t operating due to unplanned issues with no direct regular bus route between Lidcombe and Olympic Park these days.
Should be beneficial for Transit Systems’ patronage growth statistics.
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Presumably the 525 is being curtailed to release assets, agree the Strathfield - DFO section is the most heavily patronised. When introduced, route 500X was almost exclusively operated by artics. This has been diluted over time.
The headline is an accurate reflection of what is in the article. But rather than arguing the point about newspaper headlines, perhaps we should just stick to the content of the article.
Notice that TfNSW having had to backtrack when it previously ran consultations, has not bothered this time. Would not be surprised if some tweaking is required as some bus passengers will push back on forking out an extra $1k annually.
Not seeing too many surprises here. 294 was always going to go and many 288 trips already terminate at Macquarie Uni. 115 has long been relegated as the poor cousin of the 120 and already terminates at North Sydney in the evening. 252 and 261 don't need to run to the city with the Metro now running via Crows Nest. N91 to Bondi Junction was always redundant since the 324 started all night operations alongside the already 24 hour services to Bondi.
The 259 thing sounds more like a renumbering and I'd be interested to know what route it's being merged with.
The really juicy stuff has been left out, presumably because the person who leaked it wants to test public reaction cautiously.
Namely, what happens to the Hills services - will passengers be diverted to their "nearest" Metro station? Will other services (e.g. Eastern Valley Way, Epping Rds) also be subject to forced interchange and reduced frequencies?
Will the dysfunctional city termini be sorted out, so that Northern services can go back to be centralised at Wynyard/ QVB? And so on.
Linto63 wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 1:25 pm
Presumably the 525 is being curtailed to release assets, agree the Strathfield - DFO section is the most heavily patronised. When introduced, route 500X was almost exclusively operated by artics. This has been diluted over time.
Region 7 artics turn up in funny places, like the 549 through North Rocks
Ray wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 2:59 pm
Not seeing too many surprises here. 294 was always going to go and many 288 trips already terminate at Macquarie Uni. 115 has long been relegated as the poor cousin of the 120 and already terminates at North Sydney in the evening. 252 and 261 don't need to run to the city with the Metro now running via Crows Nest. N91 to Bondi Junction was always redundant since the 324 started all night operations alongside the already 24 hour services to Bondi.
The 259 thing sounds more like a renumbering and I'd be interested to know what route it's being merged with.
The really juicy stuff has been left out, presumably because the person who leaked it wants to test public reaction cautiously.
Namely, what happens to the Hills services - will passengers be diverted to their "nearest" Metro station? Will other services (e.g. Eastern Valley Way, Epping Rds) also be subject to forced interchange and reduced frequencies?
Will the dysfunctional city termini be sorted out, so that Northern services can go back to be centralised at Wynyard/ QVB? And so on.
Agree. Nothing that anyone on this forum couldn't legitimately dream up themselves, apart from 525.
I guess 526 must be getting some sort of boost to coincide with the 525 being curtailed to Parra - Olympic Park.
Linto63 wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 1:25 pm
Presumably the 525 is being curtailed to release assets, agree the Strathfield - DFO section is the most heavily patronised. When introduced, route 500X was almost exclusively operated by artics. This has been diluted over time.
Region 7 artics turn up in funny places, like the 549 through North Rocks
I suspect it's to position them for school services?
Busways artics appear randomly on all sorts of routes. Saw one recently on a route 265 service, this being one of those routes that rarely ever has passenger numbers in double figures. Have also seen them on 254 and 261 services, routes that they were previously never used on.
