Trailerbus

[Linto63]

As it can be used in NSW to allow people to put their bikes on to use at the other end I think the Sydney thread is ok.

No it can't, because it doesn't exist and there is no evidence that it is on anybody's radar, fictious websites aside. It is nothing but a figment of your imagination, i.e. a fantasy and that is why it should be discussed there.

You really want another Parrahub thread in the fantasy section I counted at least 8 to 10 Parrahub threads there over a 10 year period between 2012 and 2021 you can add the Parrahub thread in the general discussion to that

No just one thread in the fantasy section. That Eddy has been banging on about it here, there and everywhere for 15 years is not a reason to keep it in the wrong section. Seems that as far back as 2008, board members were sick to death of it.

[eddy]

As it can be used in NSW to allow people to put their bikes on to use at the other end I think the Sydney thread is ok.

No it can't, because it doesn't exist and there is no evidence that it is on anybody's radar, fictious websites aside. It is nothing but a figment of your imagination, i.e. a fantasy and that is why it should be discussed there.

You really want another Parrahub thread in the fantasy section I counted at least 8 to 10 Parrahub threads there over a 10 year period between 2012 and 2021 you can add the Parrahub thread in the general discussion to that

No just one thread in the fantasy section. That Eddy has been banging on about it here, there and everywhere for 15 years is not a reason to keep it in the wrong section. Seems that as far back as 2008, board members were sick to death of it.

Rather than getting cranky just ask me any question mate.

[eddy]

When buses can take bikes and mobility scooters I would imagine it will only stop at every suburb allowing people to read a large rolling sign like the ones at railway stations and to compete with trains.

[eddy]

The cheapest travel on the XPT from Sydney to Dubbo is $50 taking 6 hours 30 minutes.

The Trailerbus has 68 seats @ $30 per seat taking 5 hours 30 minutes earning $2,040 less electricity (wild guess $300)

So as it can take bikes and mobility scooters it must replace the old XPT and allow freight trains free run.

https://app.sketchup.com/share/tc/north ... source=web

[hugh45]

There is no way a trailer bus, if ever one was built, would manage the trip to Dubbo in less time than the XPT. The XPT also has a buffet car attached. Would the trailer bus stop at McDonalds so passengers can eat.

[eddy]

There is no way a trailer bus, if ever one was built, would manage the trip to Dubbo in less time than the XPT. The XPT also has a buffet car attached. Would the trailer bus stop at McDonalds so passengers can eat.

It says 6 hours 30 minutes here. https://transportnsw.info/regional/book ... lsrc=aw.ds

By car but trucks are limited to 100 km/h and the driver may have to have a 15 minute break to be legal. https://www.google.com/search?q=sydney+ ... e&ie=UTF-8

Most people would need to stop even though there would be a toilet on board.

[Swift]

I can't think of anything more depressing than travelling to Dubbo in a semi trailer.

[eddy]

I can't think of anything more depressing than travelling to Dubbo in a semi trailer.

Don't knock something till you try it,there is nothing as smooth as a semitrailer and the view from up top would be far better than the XPT.

I am suprised that you are not more open minded mate.

Many people would use it to save money and time.

[Swift]

What about a B double semi trailer bus?

[eddy]

What about a B double semi trailer bus?

Actually I see no need as the increased frequency compared to the XPT, plus being cheaper and faster 99% of people would give the buffet a miss.

[stajourneyman]

Methinks this whole thing is a giant stitch up, and Eddy boy is yanking your chains and laughing till he wets himself.

[eddy]

Methinks this whole thing is a giant stitch up, and Eddy boy is yanking your chains and laughing till he wets himself.

I see no reason why people would prefer to book, pay more and take more time to go on the XPT rather than the Trailerbus.

[hugh45]

Seniors can make 4 XPT trips a year for free. Who will run the trailer bus and what is the cost of each journey.

[eddy]

Seniors can make 4 XPT trips a year for free. Who will run the trailer bus and what is the cost of each journey.

I think all state governments would like to save money so they would love the Trailerbus as it is cheaper than the XPT anywhere.

[Fleet Lists]

But nobody would use them.

[eddy]

But nobody would use them.

I caught the XPT from Queensland once and it was a bus for the first bit and my sister had to catch a bus from Pottsville to the train at Casino and there are many small towns where the XPT does not go or only goes halfway.

[PG1]

Eddy,

Travel time to Dubbo
Did you take into account in your google direction search the dozen or so stops that your Trailerbus would have to detour to in order to match the stopping pattern of a Dubbo XPT?
I did!
The journey depicted and entered by you clearly shows no deviation from the major roads - it shows no deviation to the crowded streets of Strathfield, or having to navigate the tight s-bends at Parramatta station, nor the significant detours to reach Penrith and Blacktown stations.
The deviation to/from the highway to Lithgow station takes a total about 10 minutes.
The deviation to Millthorpe is about 20 minutes in total.
The bus stop at Orange station isn't long enough to accommodate the length of your TrailerBus (it would block a crossing).
The estimated journey time "calling" at all stations (I did not include the two "a" stops) was calculated at 6h 52m as opposed to your quoted XPT journey time of 6hrs 30 minutes.

The XPT
The XPT to/from Dubbo consists of (I believe) 5 carriages (I will proudly accept my error if this is found to be incorrect).
According to transport info the consist consists of a variety of carriages (some 27 seats for first class, 48 for the buffet carriage, and 68 for the saloon carriage).
Lets imagine a consist of 1 x first class (27 passengers), 1 x buffet (48 passengers) and 3 saloons (3 x 68) - approximately 275 if my maths is any good.
To accommodate the same number of passengers you would need to provide 4 Trailerbuses.

Imagine the scene at Parramatta interchange when 4 Trailerbuses arrive at the same time to collect passengers.

Toilet

Most people would need to stop even though there would be a toilet on board

. - your comment yesterday Monday 18 December.
Does this mean that the Trailerbus has a toilet - I ask this because your drawings do not show a toilet.
If it now has a toilet then this can only be used by passengers on which ever level it is located on.
You would know of course that it is illegal in NSW for passengers to stand on the top deck of a double decker unless they are entering or exiting the bus, so if they are on the top deck and want to use the toilet (which is located on the lower deck, for example ) they will have to wait till the next scheduled stop.

Luggage
Where is luggage to be stored on the Trailerbus?

Accessible transports

So as it can take bikes and mobility scooters it must replace the old XPT and allow freight trains free run.

Your quote is flawed. You say that Trailerbus can take mobility scooters however it will never be approved to do so in its current format - buses must by law have space for 2 wheelchairs - your Trailerbus does not.
The XPT also takes bikes.

[eddy]

PG1
We all hate change and sometimes when a person has made a decision they double down particularly if their career is at stake
The drawing on your phone is basically an example and it can be altered in any way just by removing a few seats.
If you look at the top of this XPT 6 hours 30 minutes that will suit some https://transportnsw.info/regional/book ... lsrc=aw.ds
The driver has to only stop every 5 hours and he may have a break or not depending. https://www.google.com/search?q=sydney+ ... e&ie=UTF-8
Conforming to mass and dimension rules it is only 1 m longer than a bendy bus and as they are more frequent there is no chance of them all turning up at the same bus stop at the same time.

[Linto63]

This thread really is the gift that keeps on giving. Every time I think it has reached the zenith of silliness, it manages to outdo itself. If a transport agency was going to replace a train with road transport, it would use conventional road coaches as NSW TrainLink and its predecessors have done since 1975. It's not going to faff about with something that doesn't exist.

[eddy]

This thread really is the gift that keeps on giving. Every time I think it has reached the zenith of silliness, it manages to outdo itself. If a transport agency was going to replace a train with road transport, it would use conventional road coaches as NSW TrainLink and its predecessors have done since 1975. It's not going to faff about with something that doesn't exist.

Governments like more bang for the buck too.

[Linto63]

And how will they do that with something that doesn’t exist?

[eddy]

And how will they do that with something that doesn’t exist?

Well they can build and try it or just say no.

Australia has a problem with innovation they are risk averse.

[Swift]

Ostraya likes to follow, not lead. Excessively conservative.
It basks in mediocrity.

[eddy]

Ostraya likes to follow, not lead. Excessively conservative.
It basks in mediocrity.

If it turns out it is no good then at least we have tried it mate.

[Linto63]

Well they can build and try it or just say no.

Who is the 'they'? The NSW TrainLink and its equivalents?

Australia has a problem with innovation they are risk averse.

Can't see how innovative digging up a relic of the past, that was consigned to history with good reason, is.