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Free Wifi for Central Coast stations

Postby Fleet Lists » Fri Oct 04, 2019 7:21 pm

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Free Wi-Fi for Central Coast stations
Friday 04 October 2019

From October 2019 there will be free Wi-Fi at Tuggerah Station, Lisarow Station and Mount Colah Station as part of a trial.

You will be able to catch-up with the latest news, browse your favourite websites or check your email while you are at one of these train stations, thanks to free Wi-Fi.

The Transport NSW Free Wi-Fi trial program will be rolled out to 19 stations between Hornsby and Wyong on the Central Coast Line over the coming months.
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Re: Free Wifi for Central Coast stations

Postby moa999 » Fri Oct 04, 2019 11:20 pm

As pointless as the Wifi trials on Sydney buses.

In general everyone has data on their phones.
WiFi is predominantly used by tourists, but many of them have data these days.

And really only needed at places where people may spend a few hours (to make it worth logging in) - eg. airports, hotels, possibly long distance buses/trains (but somewhat pointless as it's usually just served by a single 4G router)
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Re: Free Wifi for Central Coast stations

Postby matthewg » Sat Oct 05, 2019 12:42 am

Is it really 'free' or was it like the 'free' trial on the buses where you had to install the vendors add serving app to get the 'free' internet access?
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Re: Free Wifi for Central Coast stations

Postby tonyp » Sat Oct 05, 2019 8:00 am

It would be better if they worked on getting any coverage at all on sections of line. I noticed while riding on the southern highlands the other day that, while the south coast has pretty consistent coverage all along, the highlands have a long dead spot broadly between Mittagong and Picton. With nothing but boring bush to look at - unlike the scenic south coast! - that reduces options to a book or newspaper, very 1950s.
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Re: Free Wifi for Central Coast stations

Postby BroadGauge » Sat Oct 05, 2019 8:06 am

tonyp wrote:I noticed while riding on the southern highlands the other day that, while the south coast has pretty consistent coverage all along, the highlands have a long dead spot broadly between Mittagong and Picton. With nothing but boring bush to look at - unlike the scenic south coast! - that reduces options to a book or newspaper, very 1950s.

Which telco are you with? From my personal experience using Telstra 4G, the only real dead spot is for about five minutes between Douglas Park and Picton - otherwise aside from through and around the tunnels, there is close to continuous coverage between Moss Vale and Campbelltown.

I'll be catching the train in a few hours time so I'll verify that later on ;)

During the week I actually caught a Central Coast train up to Woy Woy for the first time in a while, and whilst the coverage is much better than it used to be (especially coming down Cowan Bank!), I was surprised that the coverage along Mullet Creek dies from near Wondabyne up to the tunnel.

I know that some will probably be thinking "hey, but that's the middle of nowhere?", but think about it, it's such a heavily used transport corridor full of people captive inside train carriages. And they put in mobile towers elsewhere for villages of 100 people.
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Re: Free Wifi for Central Coast stations

Postby tonyp » Sat Oct 05, 2019 9:54 am

BroadGauge wrote:Which telco are you with?

iinet, I think they use Optus.
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Re: Free Wifi for Central Coast stations

Postby boronia » Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:08 am

I'm usually wary of "free wi-fi", as it often requires a e-mail address to sign up and is often used as a tracking device.
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Re: Free Wifi for Central Coast stations

Postby stupid_girl » Sat Oct 05, 2019 6:41 pm

boronia wrote:I'm usually wary of "free wi-fi", as it often requires a e-mail address to sign up and is often used as a tracking device.

I always put a fake address like a@gmail.com
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Re: Free Wifi for Central Coast stations

Postby boxythingy » Sun Oct 06, 2019 7:12 pm

When will the wifi trials end? Why are the same amount of restrictions in place every time there is a trial?
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Re: Free Wifi for Central Coast stations

Postby Fleet Lists » Sun Oct 06, 2019 7:23 pm

The first part of your question is answered in the referenced advice - 3 years. And I dont understand what restrictions you are talking about in the second part.
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Re: Free Wifi for Central Coast stations

Postby Merc1107 » Sun Oct 06, 2019 7:43 pm

moa999 wrote:As pointless as the Wifi trials on Sydney buses.

In general everyone has data on their phones.
WiFi is predominantly used by tourists, but many of them have data these days.

It's entirely pointless - at least a decade too late given large amounts of data can be obtained fairly cheaply (of course, this is why "free wi-fi" is now so easy to provide!).

A lot like the Free Wi-Fi trial on a very small number of railcar sets and a couple of Transperth buses; you're not going to convince a car driver to use public transport with free Wi-Fi if they don't find the service useful for their needs. It's a nice bit of icing on the cake for the converted, who lack access to data for some reasons - I'm thinking the teenagers always whinging they have no credit on their phones :lol:
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Re: Free Wifi for Central Coast stations

Postby mandonov » Sun Oct 06, 2019 9:35 pm

BroadGauge wrote:During the week I actually caught a Central Coast train up to Woy Woy for the first time in a while, and whilst the coverage is much better than it used to be (especially coming down Cowan Bank!), I was surprised that the coverage along Mullet Creek dies from near Wondabyne up to the tunnel.

I know that some will probably be thinking "hey, but that's the middle of nowhere?", but think about it, it's such a heavily used transport corridor full of people captive inside train carriages. And they put in mobile towers elsewhere for villages of 100 people.

It's actually vastly improved in the last 6 months. Last year you wouldn't get a signal from the Hawkesbury River Bridge to the Woy Woy tunnel, but now there's a signal that's slowly crept its way to Wondabyne itself.

Installing the WiFi at stations is actually a part of the contract for expanding mobile coverage that TfNSW signed with Telstra last year:

https://www.itnews.com.au/news/telstra- ... ast-531907

“The first of 22 planned mobile base stations is now online with free Wi-Fi being rolled out at 19 train stations between Hornsby and Wyong,” he said in a statement.

“Building new mobile infrastructure reduces mobile black spots along this busy rail corridor and allows passengers to catch up on work or the news, and stay in touch with friends and family, while in transit.”

The next stages of work will focus on installing more mobile base stations and wi-fi infrastructure in other parts of the rail corridor.
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Re: Free Wifi for Central Coast stations

Postby boxythingy » Sun Oct 06, 2019 11:58 pm

Fleet Lists wrote:The first part of your question is answered in the referenced advice - 3 years. And I dont understand what restrictions you are talking about in the second part.


They've run so many wifi trials. I recall one operating at Circular Quay, and so when will there be a permanent scheme?
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Re: Free Wifi for Central Coast stations

Postby Linto63 » Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:42 am

It does get used. On European trains and buses where the fitting of WiFi is pretty much standard, sometimes when logging on it shows how many others are using it and it can be a reasonable number. And they tend to have cheaper data plans than we do.
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Re: Free Wifi for Central Coast stations

Postby Penguin » Tue Oct 08, 2019 8:11 am

stupid_girl wrote:
boronia wrote:I'm usually wary of "free wi-fi", as it often requires a e-mail address to sign up and is often used as a tracking device.

I always put a fake address like a@gmail.com


Dispostable is my go-to. Can use it to receive emails and check them if they send a verification email to you. the inbox automatically deletes itself after I think 2 days or so.

You use any word with @dispostable.com at the end, then go to the dispostable website to access it
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Re: Free Wifi for Central Coast stations

Postby Passenger 57 » Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:21 pm

I've never encountered any free WiFi that bothered to verify beyond possibly checking the domain is valid. I used to feel a tiny bit guilty about increasing what load of spam example.com must get but upon checking now it seems they have put an MX record in the DNS with an invalid IP address to deflect even an attempt to deliver email.
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Re: Free Wifi for Central Coast stations

Postby pgt » Fri Oct 11, 2019 10:37 pm

Passenger 57 wrote:I've never encountered any free WiFi that bothered to verify beyond possibly checking the domain is valid.
The one that Westfield use does check, as I tried it with an invalid email address and it didn't let me on as such.

From a transport perspective, the WiFi in (I think) the Toei Subway in Tokyo makes you login to the mailbox to verify the email address - to allow this, it gives you 10 minutes access to do so.
Granted that WiFi was faster than the nearby McDonalds had, possibly since less people were using it.
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Re: Free Wifi for Central Coast stations

Postby boronia » Sat Oct 12, 2019 8:47 pm

A lot of the free wi=fi in Japan requires a valid email address because they send you an activation link.
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Re: Free Wifi for Central Coast stations

Postby Passenger 57 » Mon Oct 14, 2019 1:46 pm

pgt wrote:The one that Westfield use does check, as I tried it with an invalid email address and it didn't let me on as such.

Well, the bogus one I use, which was probably an example.com address continues to work. Checking for a valid domain can be done quickly, Postively verifying that the complete address is valid may not be possible within a reasonable amount of time however, I haven't yet noticed WifI access through one of these bogus address being cancelled subsequently. While the lack of being able to spam their visitors is no doubt a disappointment to them they still gain the ability to track your presence and possibly movements in their shopping centres. BTW, I see that marketers have lists of domains where their emails won't be opened - so there may be no substitute to using "real" email addresses.
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Re: Free Wifi for Central Coast stations

Postby Passenger 57 » Mon Oct 14, 2019 1:51 pm

boronia wrote:A lot of the free wi=fi in Japan requires a valid email address because they send you an activation link.

Do they all use the 10 minute free method as per pgt's response or just keep the activation link alive for a longer period?
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Re: Free Wifi for Central Coast stations

Postby boronia » Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:40 pm

Passenger 57 wrote:
boronia wrote:A lot of the free wi=fi in Japan requires a valid email address because they send you an activation link.

Do they all use the 10 minute free method as per pgt's response or just keep the activation link alive for a longer period?


I'm not sure, I was only going on reports. But I have encountered a similar thing here, and I couldn't connect until I "activated" from the email. I have a good data allowance for the limited browsing I do away from home, so I use that. But no doubt, once I have "connected" with the system, it is tracking me. Maybe even without.
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