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Variotram 2107 arrives at Loftus

Postby matthewg » Thu Oct 11, 2018 6:33 am

After much work and several delays, 2107 was finally delivered to Loftus in the early hours of this morning (11th October 2018)

It will be moved to the depot during the day, after the ramp crew come back and remove the loading ramp that's between it and the depot.
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Re: Heritage Trains Observations 2018

Postby idontknow556 » Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:12 am

I just looked on Facebook and noticed that tram 2107 which is a Variotram has arrived at the Tramway museum
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Re: Heritage Trains Observations 2018

Postby Fleet Lists » Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:15 pm

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Re: Variotram 2107 arrives at Loftus

Postby matthewg » Thu Oct 11, 2018 1:12 pm

After an electrical safety test - she took power and was driven from the unloading point to the depot. She didn't need to be towed!.

3 1/2 years in a paddock and she still runs.

Before anyone asks - 2107 won't be available for inspection or operation for quite some time. A lot of cleaning and minor repairs are needed, as well as adjustments to the overhead to allow the pantograph to safely operate.
(No, we are not going to fit trolley poles to it)
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Re: Variotram 2107 arrives at Loftus

Postby idontknow556 » Sat Oct 13, 2018 9:53 pm

Will it be ready in time for the Tramway Festival 2019?
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Re: Variotram 2107 arrives at Loftus

Postby matthewg » Sun Oct 14, 2018 8:49 am

idontknow556 wrote:Will it be ready in time for the Tramway Festival 2019?


It may be fit for traffic, but since the 'Tramway Festival' is to a commemoration of the former tramway system in Sydney, running 2107 wouldn't be in keeping with the theme of the event.
It's not something that would capture the general public's interest - it LOOKS too modern. (Which it IS).

It will be a special events/request tram I think, after we make it fit for traffic. It has got a number of faults that need to be repaired, and the car is filthy, inside and out.
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Re: Variotram 2107 arrives at Loftus

Postby moa999 » Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:12 am

Do any changes need to be made to the existing wires to allow them to fully work with the pantograph?
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Re: Variotram 2107 arrives at Loftus

Postby STMPainter2018 » Sun Oct 14, 2018 4:33 pm

matthewg wrote:
idontknow556 wrote:Will it be ready in time for the Tramway Festival 2019?


It may be fit for traffic, but since the 'Tramway Festival' is to a commemoration of the former tramway system in Sydney, running 2107 wouldn't be in keeping with the theme of the event.
It's not something that would capture the general public's interest - it LOOKS too modern. (Which it IS).

It will be a special events/request tram I think, after we make it fit for traffic. It has got a number of faults that need to be repaired, and the car is filthy, inside and out.


I don't know, I was at the museum yesterday and from what I heard, some of the guys pondered with the idea of having it out, or least leave it out in the yard. Nothing that's too set in stone though.
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Re: Variotram 2107 arrives at Loftus

Postby STMPainter2018 » Sun Oct 14, 2018 4:35 pm

moa999 wrote:Do any changes need to be made to the existing wires to allow them to fully work with the pantograph?


Yes. The crossover along Tramway Avenue, as well as the line to the Royal National Park, both need upgrading. I think John Holland was planning on carrying out this work for us. Otherwise, the Sutherland line is perfectly pantograph compatible; it's work was previously done back in the late 90's.
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Re: Variotram 2107 arrives at Loftus

Postby matthewg » Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:06 pm

moa999 wrote:Do any changes need to be made to the existing wires to allow them to fully work with the pantograph?


We are waiting for a professional assessment, but the major ones are -

The 'pans' on the scissors crossover are trolley pole only fittings. They need to be replaced. We have Melbourne 'transition' (pole/pantograph) crossing pans in stock. Time has to be found to install them. They weigh several times that of a Sydney pan, so extra bridle wires need to be installed to hold the weigh, so it's not just a straight swap. The Sydney pans are worn out and need replacing anyway.
The Railway Square, Depot main and the Pitt Street crossover are already compatible.

The rest of the museum yard and Sutherland line just need minor adjustments and retensioning.

The National Park line needs extensive work - most of the curves need additional pull off installed, which means installing many more stay wires. In places, the wire goes over the inside rail of the curves. The trolley poles cope with this (as long as you don't go too fast), but a pantograph will slip off the wire.

We are looking at getting one of the professional rail contractors to fix all this up as using volunteers and the limited equipment we have, this will take years - but we need the $$$$ to pay them.
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Re: Variotram 2107 arrives at Loftus

Postby Swift » Sun Oct 21, 2018 1:36 pm

Fantastic achievement acquiring this. Even bigger will be getting it up and running. It will be a long time before it has public appeal though!!
Pity they didn't save a monorail though, even as a static exhibit.
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Re: Variotram 2107 arrives at Loftus

Postby Daniel » Mon Oct 22, 2018 5:13 pm

Swift wrote:Pity they didn't save a monorail though, even as a static exhibit.

Inverell has part of one on display. Nice town to visit and worth the trip.
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Re: Variotram 2107 arrives at Loftus

Postby Swift » Tue Oct 23, 2018 8:53 am

Daniel wrote:
Swift wrote:Pity they didn't save a monorail though, even as a static exhibit.

Inverell has part of one on display. Nice town to visit and worth the trip.

It would have been great to get an entire set with a mockup of a monorail station and apply the original TNT livery.
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Re: Variotram 2107 arrives at Loftus

Postby Campbelltown busboy » Tue Oct 23, 2018 1:17 pm

Why don’t the tram museum put this tram back into it’s original SLR livery as seen in this photo I found on Wikipedia
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Re: Variotram 2107 arrives at Loftus

Postby Swift » Tue Oct 23, 2018 6:44 pm

I really don't know why they class the IWLR a tram. Most of it is on a former railway away from streets. The tiny minority that it is on the street is a glorified level crossing. Yes it's ridiculously popular (well duh!) simply because Sydney hasn't recovered from the great closure of the late 50s and people crave PT options like a cold bottle of Solo in the desert at midday(!) and successive corrupt dictators haven't given it to them.
I hope Loftus has the space for this foreign looking thing.
I doubt they will for any CSELR -full consist anyway!
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Re: Variotram 2107 arrives at Loftus

Postby matthewg » Tue Oct 23, 2018 6:49 pm

Campbelltown busboy wrote:Why don’t the tram museum put this tram back into it’s original SLR livery as seen in this photo I found on Wikipedia

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That paint job is largely intact under the 'all-over-advertising'. The carpet in the cab has faded somewhat though.
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Re: Variotram 2107 arrives at Loftus

Postby boronia » Tue Oct 23, 2018 7:16 pm

Campbelltown busboy wrote:Why don’t the tram museum put this tram back into it’s original SLR livery as seen in this photo I found on Wikipedia
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They've only had it a couple of weeks. Don't be so impatient.
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Re: Variotram 2107 arrives at Loftus

Postby Campbelltown busboy » Tue Oct 23, 2018 8:19 pm

boronia wrote:They've only had it a couple of weeks. Don't be so impatient.
Thanks for that info I know it takes time to get things done when they fix up the power issues and they restall this tram/light rail veichle back to a runnable condition it would be the most modern and safest thing to run the royal national park runs too and from the museum as most of the active trams that run out of the museum were built in the 1890s or very early 1900s
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Re: Variotram 2107 arrives at Loftus

Postby matthewg » Wed Oct 24, 2018 5:15 am

boronia wrote:
Campbelltown busboy wrote:Why don’t the tram museum put this tram back into it’s original SLR livery as seen in this photo I found on Wikipedia
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They've only had it a couple of weeks. Don't be so impatient.


And since the tram is a state heritage 'moveable object', any colour changes have to be approved by Transport Heritage. I don't think there will be any problem taking it back to original two-tone blue as the AOA it left service in is damaged by graffiti and has faded - it looks terrible even on the side that wasn't redecorated.

It's undercover now in a building that doesn't leak and has an alarm and fire sprinkler system, so no further deterioration of its condition hopefully. It might get a chance dry out inside for the first time in 3 1/2 years.
It's been so damp that the heads of the screws that hold the cab instrumentation pannels in have rusted.
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