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NSW Railway Observations - July to December 2018

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Re: NSW Railway Observations - July to December 2018

Postby BroadGauge » Mon Oct 08, 2018 7:17 pm

Jurassic_Joke wrote:Mmmm, they probably got sick of the LNP

I doubt that this has anything at all to do with a political party in Queensland.
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Re: NSW Railway Observations - July to December 2018

Postby Linto63 » Tue Oct 09, 2018 2:20 pm

Notice that the period advertisements have been removed from both platforms at Museum. Would like to think they are away being restored and will be reinstated, but with the current administration seemingly having no moral compass (withness this week's kowtowling to the racing industry over advertising at the Opera House) would not be surprised if some bling neon replacements are on the way. Anything for a buck. :(
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Re: NSW Railway Observations - July to December 2018

Postby lunchbox » Tue Oct 09, 2018 2:35 pm

REFLECTORS? - PLATFORM 20, CENTRAL.
What are the tiny instruments attached to the bottom flange of the rails through Platform 20 at Central? Are they adjustable? How do they work?
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Re: NSW Railway Observations - July to December 2018

Postby boronia » Tue Oct 09, 2018 4:51 pm

Photos would help
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Re: NSW Railway Observations - July to December 2018

Postby Cowra » Tue Oct 09, 2018 6:11 pm

lunchbox wrote:REFLECTORS? - PLATFORM 20, CENTRAL.
What are the tiny instruments attached to the bottom flange of the rails through Platform 20 at Central? Are they adjustable? How do they work?

I understand they are survey markers for checking possible subsidence when they start metro tunneling under Central. The same system is in use along the Main South line between Picton and Tahmoor due to the mining subsidence there.
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Re: NSW Railway Observations - July to December 2018

Postby boronia » Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:41 pm

Something similar on the SCO for slip detection
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Re: NSW Railway Observations - July to December 2018

Postby Qantas94Heavy » Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:59 pm

Linto63 wrote:Notice that the period advertisements have been removed from both platforms at Museum. Would like to think they are away being restored and will be reinstated, but with the current administration seemingly having no moral compass (withness this week's kowtowling to the racing industry over advertising at the Opera House) would not be surprised if some bling neon replacements are on the way. Anything for a buck. :(


There's a sign on one of them saying it's for heritage restoration works, but I'm not exactly sure what that entails.
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Re: NSW Railway Observations - July to December 2018

Postby Frosty » Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:48 pm

Qantas94Heavy wrote:
Linto63 wrote:Notice that the period advertisements have been removed from both platforms at Museum. Would like to think they are away being restored and will be reinstated, but with the current administration seemingly having no moral compass (withness this week's kowtowling to the racing industry over advertising at the Opera House) would not be surprised if some bling neon replacements are on the way. Anything for a buck. :(


There's a sign on one of them saying it's for heritage restoration works, but I'm not exactly sure what that entails.


Maybe for placing into another Museum not the train station. It would be sad to see Museum station advertising to change to those large scale LCD/LED screens that come with audio.
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Re: NSW Railway Observations - July to December 2018

Postby boxythingy » Tue Oct 09, 2018 10:32 pm

andy_centralcoast wrote:It's amazing the SMH can publish a news article before Transport NSW can publish a service alert.

Future Government Announcement: We are proud to announce that Fairfax Media, known for their independent reporting will be appointed to publish service alerts on behalf of Transport for New South Wales. Their experience in publishing breaking news, as it happens will ensure our customers are immediately notified about service interruptions as they happen. This will equip them with the latest and best available information to assist them to their destinations at earliest convenience when services are not subject to timetabled operations. :roll:
various wrote:Museum station restoration works

Looks like they are putting in replicas similar to the new roundels. Have look at the Mark Foys one that is partially up on the St James end of Platform 2.
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Re: NSW Railway Observations - July to December 2018

Postby neilrex » Wed Oct 10, 2018 1:44 am

They will be out of business in a month.
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Re: NSW Railway Observations - July to December 2018

Postby lunchbox » Wed Oct 10, 2018 12:21 pm

SHEET TIMETABLES at stations.
Contrary to TfNSW policy, Newcastle Interchange has one, on the concourse! It is, of course, quite useful.
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Re: NSW Railway Observations - July to December 2018

Postby mandonov » Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:28 pm

lunchbox wrote:SHEET TIMETABLES at stations.
Contrary to TfNSW policy, Newcastle Interchange has one, on the concourse! It is, of course, quite useful.

It’s Sydney Trains that doesn’t put them up, not TfNSW. NSW TrainLink on the other hand always has.
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Re: NSW Railway Observations - July to December 2018

Postby tonyp » Thu Oct 11, 2018 5:21 am

boxythingy wrote:
various wrote:Museum station restoration works

Looks like they are putting in replicas similar to the new roundels. Have look at the Mark Foys one that is partially up on the St James end of Platform 2.

Some years ago, when work was being done on the Museum station pedestrian subways in conjunction with new building construction, the old 1920s tiles and signs in the subways were carefully dismantled and preserved in specially-made storage frames at great cost, then stored at Eveleigh for reinstatement later in the project. When it came time to collect and refit them, they were gone.

I was told later by somebody that they were subsequently seen at a private railway museum not a million miles from the Blue Mountains, but my general disgust at those many thieving rouges known as transport enthusiast collectors prevents me wanting to patronise any of their establishments to go and have a look. Much stolen property like this eventually finds its way onto the private antique market after the original criminal dies or is simply thrown out on the tip by their families who don't know the value of it. I find it hard to bring myself to talk about this issue even now, but we can see in this case that the taxpayer is now having to fund the loss resulting from somebody's private gain.
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Re: NSW Railway Observations - July to December 2018

Postby Scott4570 » Thu Oct 11, 2018 11:31 am

andy_centralcoast wrote:Also read this today: Sun Oct 07
Between Waverton and Artarmon, the medium speed aspect of signals is being removed, thus lowering the speed of trains. It is believed that this is because the headways in the Waverton area are too close to the theoretical minimum to avoid a system collapse should even a minor thing go wrong.

In respect to the removal of the Medium Aspect on some Signals, when it comes to Peak Hour with trains at high frequency, the Driver is likely to go at full track speed passed the Signal, now showing full clear, which previously would have shown the Medium aspect.

The Driver is now not given any advance warning until he faces the Caution aspect. However, in that corridor, especially Waverton to St Leonards, the trains do go somewhat slower due to the tight curvature of the track. Therefore, the Signal at Stop is probably well within braking distance.
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Re: NSW Railway Observations - July to December 2018

Postby boxythingy » Fri Oct 12, 2018 7:11 pm

tonyp wrote:Some years ago, when work was being done on the Museum station pedestrian subways in conjunction with new building construction, the old 1920s tiles and signs in the subways were carefully dismantled and preserved in specially-made storage frames at great cost, then stored at Eveleigh for reinstatement later in the project. When it came time to collect and refit them, they were gone.

I was told later by somebody that they were subsequently seen at a private railway museum not a million miles from the Blue Mountains, but my general disgust at those many thieving rouges known as transport enthusiast collectors prevents me wanting to patronise any of their establishments to go and have a look. Much stolen property like this eventually finds its way onto the private antique market after the original criminal dies or is simply thrown out on the tip by their families who don't know the value of it. I find it hard to bring myself to talk about this issue even now, but we can see in this case that the taxpayer is now having to fund the loss resulting from somebody's private gain.


That is disgusting and such selfish behaviour. These things are the history of this country and belong to the people not individuals!
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Re: NSW Railway Observations - July to December 2018

Postby andy_centralcoast » Sat Oct 13, 2018 11:15 am

T2 all stations to Homebush trains are extended to Olympic Park this weekend (but skipping Flemington). Showing on indicators as T7.

Richmond trains also diverting to Olympic Park after Lidcombe and not going to the city. They are still showing as T1.

There are also Oscars running on T1 between Penrith and North Sydney, but as empty between Penrith and Blacktown then passenger from Blacktown to North Sydney. Same in return, terminate at Blacktown then continue to Penrith as empty.
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Re: NSW Railway Observations - July to December 2018

Postby Transport Buff » Sat Oct 13, 2018 11:56 am

andy_centralcoast wrote:
There are also Oscars running on T1 between Penrith and North Sydney, but as empty between Penrith and Blacktown then passenger from Blacktown to North Sydney. Same in return, terminate at Blacktown then continue to Penrith as empty.


Yeah, the reason for the Oscars going to Blacktown is because there is trackwork on the Blue Mountains Line, where trains run from Blue Mtns station to Blacktown only. The H Sets are do the Blacktown to Central part of the normal journey.
Although, funny that the Oscars and other trains are atill operating on the Main Western (but probably the local tracks). So then what is the point of the trackwork? The V Sets from the mountains could just use different tracks and platforms.
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Re: NSW Railway Observations - July to December 2018

Postby Aurora » Sat Oct 13, 2018 2:02 pm

andy_centralcoast wrote:There are also Oscars running on T1 between Penrith and North Sydney, but as empty between Penrith and Blacktown then passenger from Blacktown to North Sydney. Same in return, terminate at Blacktown then continue to Penrith as empty.

They are connections for the Blue Mountains Line trains starting/terminating at Blacktown.
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Re: NSW Railway Observations - July to December 2018

Postby Stonesourscotty » Sat Oct 13, 2018 3:42 pm

T47 and the Tangara with n5223 in are also on the Oscar runs.
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Re: NSW Railway Observations - July to December 2018

Postby Scott4570 » Sat Oct 13, 2018 3:59 pm

andy_centralcoast wrote:There are also Oscars running on T1 between Penrith and North Sydney, but as empty between Penrith and Blacktown then passenger from Blacktown to North Sydney. Same in return, terminate at Blacktown then continue to Penrith as empty.

Intercity V sets are commencing/Terminating at Blacktown due to Trackwork in Sydney Yard with the majority of Platforms closed.
The OSCARS are more suitable for the extension of the Service to North Sydney.
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Re: NSW Railway Observations - July to December 2018

Postby andy_centralcoast » Sat Oct 13, 2018 4:08 pm

V sets have certainly been used to North Sydney in the past. Is that a recent restriction on their use?

They must need to use double the sets and crew for BMT this weekend?

Seems strange to make customers swap trains at Blacktown instead of runnning the V set through to Platform 16 like has been done many times before for both North and West intercity trackwork weekends. I’ve been onboard V sets both across the bridge and around the city circle.
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Re: NSW Railway Observations - July to December 2018

Postby boronia » Sat Oct 13, 2018 5:10 pm

In recent times, 4V weekend services have run through to North Sydney, but 8Vs have terminated at Blacktown, with a connecting suburban set to North Sydney.
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Re: NSW Railway Observations - July to December 2018

Postby Frosty » Sat Oct 13, 2018 6:34 pm

Usually if V sets run via City Circle its late night services when there are reduced services. Interesting OSCARs are used between Penrith & North Sydney normally its suburban sets either A or T lack of suburban crew or something.
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Re: NSW Railway Observations - July to December 2018

Postby andy_centralcoast » Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:34 am

Aurora wrote:
andy_centralcoast wrote:There are also Oscars running on T1 between Penrith and North Sydney, but as empty between Penrith and Blacktown then passenger from Blacktown to North Sydney. Same in return, terminate at Blacktown then continue to Penrith as empty.

They are connections for the Blue Mountains Line trains starting/terminating at Blacktown.

I’m told some guards are allowing passengers for Penrith to stay on and opening the doors at Penrith.
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Re: NSW Railway Observations - July to December 2018

Postby Aurora » Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:43 am

Aurora wrote:
andy_centralcoast wrote:There are also Oscars running on T1 between Penrith and North Sydney, but as empty between Penrith and Blacktown then passenger from Blacktown to North Sydney. Same in return, terminate at Blacktown then continue to Penrith as empty.

They are connections for the Blue Mountains Line trains starting/terminating at Blacktown.

andy_centralcoast wrote:I’m told some guards are allowing passengers for Penrith to stay on and opening the doors at Penrith.

How would a regular passenger know the train even goes through Penrith?
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