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Ryde: development hits the infrastructure wall

Postby tonyp » Thu May 17, 2018 9:40 am

http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/ ... dc62faea58

I don't see a significant issue in North Ryde with the metro coming along but that decision to close the Top Ryde tram line back in 1949 isn't looking so good.

Another corridor for a full-time, high-frequency service of artics, might at least claw back some of the capacity damage.
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Re: Ryde: development hits the infrastructure wall

Postby rogf24 » Thu May 17, 2018 9:56 am

WSROC has also had something to say about Ryde and they don't like that the government has slowed down development there.
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Re: Ryde: development hits the infrastructure wall

Postby tonyp » Thu May 17, 2018 11:06 am

It seems quite responsible planning and gives the lie to the accusation that the government is simply in the pocket of developers. A true Bjelke Peterson-style conservative government wouldn't let a little matter like lack of transport etc infrastructure stand in the way of as much development as possible. WSROC should be grateful that the government is following WSROC policy:

https://www.wsroc.com.au/issues-campaig ... astructure
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Re: Ryde: development hits the infrastructure wall

Postby tonyp » Thu May 17, 2018 11:48 am

Just doing a check of timetables, it seems that the government could certainly get a lot more out of the bus service.

When the tram closed in 1949, Ryde was mostly rural (as was the western part of Hunters Hill, indeed my first close aquaintance with living alongside cows, horses and chooks was not in Nowra, but in Hunters Hill!!!). There was quite dense development along the Victoria Rd corridor until the river (Drummoyne), then it thinned out into low-density housing from Gladesville across to West Ryde and Eastwood, with new low density housing development just getting underway north of Top Ryde. Nevertheless, right through to the end of the tram service, they still saw fit to run 10 minute headways with all coupled sets (capacity 250 passengers) - and this was nowhere near the capacity of the line which could have hosted 1 or 2 minute headways if needed.

Now I see that the only bus that runs through to Ryde without interchange is the M52 (replacing the old 500/501?) which still has headways of 10 minutes, closing down to about 5 for a time during peaks. Except that the individual bus capacity is what? Is it an all artic service, a mixture or just rigids? Perhaps there should be a train or light rail line out to Ryde, but failing that, it must be possible to get a lot more capacity out of the buses.
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Re: Ryde: development hits the infrastructure wall

Postby lunchbox » Thu May 17, 2018 12:19 pm

...........and then along came the affordable motor car.........
And the duplicated Iron Cove Bridge and "zippered" Victoria Road peak-hour lane changes which cost $170M (?) didn't solve the traffic congestion, just added another lane of congestion. Yes, the associated dedicated peak-hour bus lanes work quite well thanks.
The planned "Iron Cove Link", from the WestConnex Rozelle Interchange will, of course, just add to Victoria Road's woes.
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Re: Ryde: development hits the infrastructure wall

Postby rogf24 » Thu May 17, 2018 12:28 pm

515 and 518 goes from the city to Top Ryde alongside the M52 during the off-peak.
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Re: Ryde: development hits the infrastructure wall

Postby boronia » Thu May 17, 2018 12:42 pm

What about the 500 and 501??
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Re: Ryde: development hits the infrastructure wall

Postby rogf24 » Thu May 17, 2018 12:51 pm

500 is a peak hour service these days, not all day, and 501 goes to Railway Square only these days, not deep in the city centre but on the fringes.
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Re: Ryde: development hits the infrastructure wall

Postby tonyp » Thu May 17, 2018 12:53 pm

boronia wrote:What about the 500 and 501??

It looks like the once-mighty have fallen:

https://transportnsw.info/documents/tim ... 180506.pdf

So does anybody know how many of these services are run by artics?
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Re: Ryde: development hits the infrastructure wall

Postby Richard290 » Thu May 17, 2018 2:27 pm

rogf24 wrote:500 is a peak hour service these days, not all day, and 501 goes to Railway Square only these days, not deep in the city centre but on the fringes.

500 also operates a handful of Saturday evening trips, and several Sunday services, often as a short working of 515 which only runs hourly from Circular Quay to Eastwood on Sundays, to fill in the gap of a fourth all-stops service per hour on Victoria Road.
Every hour on Sundays, there is the coordination of four services per hour between Circular Quay and Top Ryde, which is sequenced: 515 - 518 -500 -518.
The 518 has since been increased to run every half hour on Saturdays and Sundays, and later on weekdays and weekends to provide a link between the City, Victoria Road, Ryde and Macquarie University.
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Re: Ryde: development hits the infrastructure wall

Postby Transtopic » Thu May 17, 2018 7:50 pm

Richard290 wrote:
rogf24 wrote:500 is a peak hour service these days, not all day, and 501 goes to Railway Square only these days, not deep in the city centre but on the fringes.

500 also operates a handful of Saturday evening trips, and several Sunday services, often as a short working of 515 which only runs hourly from Circular Quay to Eastwood on Sundays, to fill in the gap of a fourth all-stops service per hour on Victoria Road.
Every hour on Sundays, there is the coordination of four services per hour between Circular Quay and Top Ryde, which is sequenced: 515 - 518 -500 -518.
The 518 has since been increased to run every half hour on Saturdays and Sundays, and later on weekdays and weekends to provide a link between the City, Victoria Road, Ryde and Macquarie University.

515 to Eastwood and 518 to Macquarie University are full-time extensions of the old 500 service to Top Ryde throughout the day. There's also X15 and X18 during peak hours. 515 only runs from Ryde to and from Eastwood in the evening.

My family moved to Eastwood in 1949 when I was a child. My father used to catch the bus to Top Ryde and then for a brief period the tram, until it ceased operating, to White Bay Power Station where he worked. From memory, I think the tram service was truncated to Drummoyne before it closed altogether.
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Re: Ryde: development hits the infrastructure wall

Postby Transtopic » Thu May 17, 2018 8:50 pm

tonyp wrote:It seems quite responsible planning and gives the lie to the accusation that the government is simply in the pocket of developers. A true Bjelke Peterson-style conservative government wouldn't let a little matter like lack of transport etc infrastructure stand in the way of as much development as possible. WSROC should be grateful that the government is following WSROC policy:

https://www.wsroc.com.au/issues-campaig ... astructure

Actually, it's more a case of the government attempting to shore up its support in the seat of Ryde, which could be at risk of falling to Labor at the next State Election. It's been a Labor seat in the past. I don't think there's anything altruistic about it. Whether rightly or wrongly, over-development is a big issue in the electorate, with the local member Victor Dominello fighting against it, particularly in the Meadowbank/Sheperds Bay area where he lives. With a popular Ryde Mayor, Jerome Laxale, as the Labor candidate, he is fighting for his survival. The Liberals also lost control of Ryde Council at the last council elections. It's only a temporary reprieve anyway until after the election.

In the meantime, there are other parts of Ryde such as Eastwood, which is screaming out for redevelopment, but it has been inhibited because of uneconomic outdated planning controls, which haven't been updated for two decades. Unfortunately, Ryde Council hasn't shown much interest.
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Re: Ryde: development hits the infrastructure wall

Postby tonyp » Thu May 17, 2018 9:46 pm

You don't say politics is behind it, what a surprise! Well fortunately that coincides with town planning sense this time. I agree that, like North Ryde, the corridor along the Main North should not have any transport issues standing in the way of development.

The Ryde line was cut back to Gladesville in 1949, then to Lyons Rd Drummoyne in 1950, reopened to Gladesville Bridge two months later when it was found that the buses couldn't handle the loads (they had "form" on that!), then cut back to Lyons Rd again in 1951 (after enough passengers went off and bought their own cars?), then cut back to Rozelle in 1953. The remaining Western lines as a whole closed in 1958.
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Re: Ryde: development hits the infrastructure wall

Postby flitter » Fri May 18, 2018 7:56 am

tonyp wrote:Now I see that the only bus that runs through to Ryde without interchange is the M52 (replacing the old 500/501?) which still has headways of 10 minutes, closing down to about 5 for a time during peaks. Except that the individual bus capacity is what? Is it an all artic service, a mixture or just rigids?


M52s are a mix of artics and rigid during the peak, 501s tend to be artics quite a lot now. Often the frequency is practically more like every 3-4 mins at the stop in the mornings and evenings. The 520 is one of the few 24 hour services as well.

Top Ryde is also served by crosstown busses, Chatswood, Rhodes, MacPark, etc.

Ryde Council covers down to Meadowbank, up to Epping (inc North Ryde which has Epping Road busses), and down to Gladesville and at Gladesville there’s significantly more choice in busses.
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