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Re: NSW On Demand Buses

Postby moa999 » Thu Nov 29, 2018 3:46 pm

So less on demand, but more a reserved route service
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Re: NSW On Demand Buses

Postby Xplorer » Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:51 pm

Qantas94Heavy wrote:
swtt wrote:Or would it be possible to deviate off route a little to do pick-ups?

Cos otherwise as Fleet Lists says, it's just another bus service but less frequent and smaller buses too.


I had a play around with the Bridj app. For the Rhodes services area, it seems that the app will only show pick up/drop off points along the following route:

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I'd presume that they wouldn't need to do the loops if nobody is scheduled to get off/on there, but apart from that the route seems pretty fixed to me. I don't know if the drivers will drop you off elsewhere if you ask though.


it does all loops like a bus would
it cannot deviate away from the set route for pick up and set down
there are also set stops, but they are unpublished.

Hence why you have to walk to and from the route and set locations
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Re: NSW On Demand Buses

Postby Swift » Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:03 pm

Sounds like they are introducing new routes by stealth and skirting the normal processes. Not necessarily a bad thing, just saying.
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Re: NSW On Demand Buses

Postby swtt » Wed Dec 05, 2018 4:33 pm

Virtually a more expensive and slightly more frequent version of the 460, but extended into the previous 462's operating area.

The span of service is also substantially longer. Hope they do build a good patronage.
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Qantas94Heavy wrote:[quote="swtt"]Or would it be possible to deviate off route a little to do pick-ups?

Cos otherwise as Fleet Lists says, it's just another bus service but less frequent and smaller buses too.


I had a play around with the Bridj app. For the Rhodes services area, it seems that the app will only show pick up/drop off points along the following route:

Image

I'd presume that they wouldn't need to do the loops if nobody is scheduled to get off/on there, but apart from that the route seems pretty fixed to me. I don't know if the drivers will drop you off elsewhere if you ask though.


it does all loops like a bus would
it cannot deviate away from the set route for pick up and set down
there are also set stops, but they are unpublished.

Hence why you have to walk to and from the route and set locations[/quote]

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Re: NSW On Demand Buses

Postby rogf24 » Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:18 pm

Apparently, one driver typically gets about 20 passengers a day, which is not very efficient.
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Re: NSW On Demand Buses

Postby burrumbus » Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:09 pm

Which is probably what the 460 was getting in patronage.,on multiple full size buses across different shifts for the day-which is not very efficient either.If done well with personalised service you can build patronage beyond what conventional route buses can achieve.
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Re: NSW On Demand Buses

Postby grog » Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:11 am

Yeah I’d see it more like a regular bus route with a flexible timetable that can respond to demand. In reality, the timetable is currently static, but if patronage builds the trip departure times can be easily adjusted without the usual timetable change process. This is probably the assumed benefit of this kind of thing, and makes sense if you look at the areas that the future on demand services can run from the R6 contract.

I’d imagine a time in the future where the 400m service obligation becomes an 800m service obligation for regular route service, allowing more frequent service, and ‘on demand’ routes filling in the gaps.
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Re: NSW On Demand Buses

Postby moa999 » Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:27 pm

Not that it seems to be at these levels at present either, but I assume the service is effectively 'seat reserved'
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Re: NSW On Demand Buses

Postby burrumbus » Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:25 pm

The key to the on demand services is in the marketing of the services,which frankly from TFNSW'S ,nor most of the contracted operators has not been great thus far.
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Re: NSW On Demand Buses

Postby Xplorer » Sat Dec 08, 2018 5:43 am

moa999 wrote:Not that it seems to be at these levels at present either, but I assume the service is effectively 'seat reserved'


I haven’t tested this out, but legally speaking, the Poncho does allow standees, unlike many other ones
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Re: NSW On Demand Buses

Postby Daniel » Sat Dec 08, 2018 5:53 am

Punchbowl’s Poncho has now been transferred to Transit Systems.
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