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Re: STA Privatisation / Franchising

Postby jake_s_258 » Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:28 pm

marcnut1996 wrote:TfNSW website has the R6 contract with Transit Systems (https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/system/files/media/documents/2018/sydney-metropolitan-bus-service-contract-6.pdf). Matters specific to Region 6 are mostly in the back half of the document, such as depots and facilities.


Some of those catchment area maps are all over the place! The Earlwood to Kyeemagh map (page 200) has very specific carve-outs, going to great lengths to include all of Kyeemagh but omit all of Banksia, Wolli Creek and parts of Bardwell Park!
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Re: STA Privatisation / Franchising

Postby grog » Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:32 pm

This is to do the the routes that they replace - I wouldn’t mind betting that they end up operating on pretty much a fixed route with variable frequency.
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Re: STA Privatisation / Franchising

Postby Frosty » Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:31 pm

Simila
jake_s_258 wrote:
Some of those catchment area maps are all over the place! The Earlwood to Kyeemagh map (page 200) has very specific carve-outs, going to great lengths to include all of Kyeemagh but omit all of Banksia, Wolli Creek and parts of Bardwell Park!


Similarly can be said for Mascot to Rosebery omits the eastern side of Mascot only part of Rosebery and doesn't even include Green Square. Maybe this on demand area could replace the 305 bus route.
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Re: STA Privatisation / Franchising

Postby grog » Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:49 pm

That is an interesting one - it is listed as Canada Bay to Mascot/Rosebery. Presumably picking people up in either zone, then ducking into Westconnex, and dropping off at the other end. That would make most sense post-Westconnex stage 3. How long is the contract?
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Re: STA Privatisation / Franchising

Postby swtt » Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:53 pm

grog wrote:That is an interesting one - it is listed as Canada Bay to Mascot/Rosebery. Presumably picking people up in either zone, then ducking into Westconnex, and dropping off at the other end. That would make most sense post-Westconnex stage 3. How long is the contract?


There's gotta be some Opal data to reveal current demand from travel between Concord to Mascot. Such a niche market - who would've thought?
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Re: STA Privatisation / Franchising

Postby boronia » Fri Jul 20, 2018 5:55 pm

It is amusing to be riding in TSA buses now, and seeing the screens still running recruitment ads for State Transit bus drivers
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Re: STA Privatisation / Franchising

Postby jake_s_258 » Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:45 pm

boronia wrote:It is amusing to be riding in TSA buses now, and seeing the screens still running recruitment ads for State Transit bus drivers

I thought the same when I saw that today
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Re: STA Privatisation / Franchising

Postby Swift » Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:15 pm

jake_s_258 wrote:
boronia wrote:It is amusing to be riding in TSA buses now, and seeing the screens still running recruitment ads for State Transit bus drivers

I thought the same when I saw that today

They really have taken it over as is. I'm sure they'll work on that!
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Re: STA Privatisation / Franchising

Postby Tonymercury » Sat Jul 21, 2018 5:40 am

Is TSA operating any 891s?
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Re: STA Privatisation / Franchising

Postby Fleet Lists » Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:19 am

The 891 timetable is STA only.
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Re: STA Privatisation / Franchising

Postby Frosty » Sat Jul 21, 2018 10:30 am

Isn't the 891 now only Region 9 STA P,R,W or is still shared with the other STA regions ?
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Re: STA Privatisation / Franchising

Postby Fleet Lists » Sat Jul 21, 2018 12:39 pm

That is up to he STA.
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Re: STA Privatisation / Franchising

Postby boronia » Sat Jul 21, 2018 12:51 pm

V used to contribute a couple of runs, but I think that ceased with the George St closure reorganisation.
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Re: STA Privatisation / Franchising

Postby Stu » Sat Jul 21, 2018 3:26 pm

Frosty wrote:Isn't the 891 now only Region 9 STA P,R,W or is still shared with the other STA regions ?

Other regions are still rostered.
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Re: STA Privatisation / Franchising

Postby Frosty » Sat Jul 21, 2018 10:39 pm

Does anybody know with Airport Line trackwork next weekend normally STA does that line rail replacement. This would be the first after R6 split in the past T,K & L would assist. Is STA now doing rail on its own or sharing with Transit Systems. Transit Systems I’ve never found in the past perform rail replacement.

Plus there would be changes for the upcoming City2Surf.
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Re: STA Privatisation / Franchising

Postby stupid_girl » Sun Jul 22, 2018 12:52 am

I believe rail replacement bus contract is separate from R6 contract, and Sydney Trains may sign contract with any bus company.
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Re: STA Privatisation / Franchising

Postby Fleet Lists » Sun Jul 22, 2018 8:31 am

I believe that the STA holds the contract for that rail work so they would use their own depots for that. If they have insufficient buses now, they can subcontract to other operators like done for other rail work but not necessarily to TSA.
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Re: STA Privatisation / Franchising

Postby Fleet Lists » Sun Aug 05, 2018 6:52 pm

jake_s_258 wrote:
marcnut1996 wrote:TfNSW website has the R6 contract with Transit Systems (https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/system/files/media/documents/2018/sydney-metropolitan-bus-service-contract-6.pdf). Matters specific to Region 6 are mostly in the back half of the document, such as depots and facilities.


Some of those catchment area maps are all over the place! The Earlwood to Kyeemagh map (page 200) has very specific carve-outs, going to great lengths to include all of Kyeemagh but omit all of Banksia, Wolli Creek and parts of Bardwell Park!

I suspect it was a mistake putting it up there as it has now disappeared.
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Re: STA Privatisation / Franchising

Postby stupid_girl » Sun Aug 12, 2018 3:00 pm

How will STA and TSA service kilometres change after the 400/420 split? Will there be other route changes to balance that?
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Re: STA Privatisation / Franchising

Postby Stu » Mon Aug 13, 2018 12:47 am

^ Service kilometres will increase for each operator even though the distance for each of the incoming routes 400 & 420 are not as long as the current 400, this is because route 400 will be 100% Region 9 and route 420 will be 100% Region 6.

There will be a number of service changes in September for Region 6 routes, possibly 308, 418, 436, 445 & m20. There are rumours about two services being joined together to create a new 'through-route' service to further reduce the number of buses terminating in the City.
The former STA Eastern Region (9) route 357 will be returning as well.
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Re: STA Privatisation / Franchising

Postby stupid_girl » Mon Aug 13, 2018 12:59 am

Stu wrote:^ Service kilometres will increase for each operator even though the distance for each of the incoming routes 400 & 420 are not as long as the current 400, this is because route 400 will be 100% Region 9 and route 420 will be 100% Region 6.

There will be a number of service changes in September for Region 6 routes, possibly 308, 418, 436, 445 & m20. There are rumours about two services being joined together to create a new 'through-route' service to further reduce the number of buses terminating in the City.
The former STA Eastern Region (9) route 357 will be returning as well.

I thought they would move away from the through-route model so I'm a bit surprised that we'll have another through-route.
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Re: STA Privatisation / Franchising

Postby J_Busworth » Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:29 am

Stu wrote:^ Service kilometres will increase for each operator even though the distance for each of the incoming routes 400 & 420 are not as long as the current 400, this is because route 400 will be 100% Region 9 and route 420 will be 100% Region 6.

There will be a number of service changes in September for Region 6 routes, possibly 308, 418, 436, 445 & m20. There are rumours about two services being joined together to create a new 'through-route' service to further reduce the number of buses terminating in the City.
The former STA Eastern Region (9) route 357 will be returning as well.



If the 357 returns as a R9 Route I presume it will be the old Bondi Jn to Sydenham route. What would happen to the 418 in that case. Would they terminate it at Sydenham, Tempe replacing the 425 or somewhere else like Mascot?

What kind of through route would they have in mind? They wouldn’t combine a route with a STA Route from another region and then have TSA solely operate like like the 389/440?

If these changes are coming in September, I guess we will get the offical annoucemenf August 31st at the earliest.
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Re: STA Privatisation / Franchising

Postby Frosty » Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:57 am

Would the 308 be terminating at Redfern or Railway Sq Lee St surely Lee St has enough room.The m20 being cut back to Zetland is an option but would affect other Botany Rd services that would require maybe converting some express services to all stops or bendy buses on the 309.

Maybe the 357 would go as far Mascot Station & 425/418 connect from there. Hopefully the 357 doesn’t return to the off-peak terminating at Eastlakes.
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Re: STA Privatisation / Franchising

Postby mandonov » Mon Aug 13, 2018 4:54 pm

I could see a possible through route being 442 through to either 308 or 305.
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Re: STA Privatisation / Franchising

Postby mandonov » Mon Aug 13, 2018 4:55 pm

stupid_girl wrote:I thought they would move away from the through-route model so I'm a bit surprised that we'll have another through-route.

What made you think that? I think they've served their purpose quite well.
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