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Trolley Bus

Postby Coca Cola » Fri Nov 27, 2009 8:43 pm

Can anyone tell me what the point of a Trolley Bus is? Its just like a tram but doesn't run in tracks, but must drive where there are overhead power-lines.

Seems like a waste of time, why not just buy a tram and put some tracks in.
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Re: Trolley Bus

Postby Centralian » Sat Nov 28, 2009 9:29 am

The ones in Katoomba don't even have to follow the overhead wires ! 8)
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Re: Trolley Bus

Postby ALBION1881 » Sat Nov 28, 2009 12:16 pm

A trolleybus is the same as motor bus but with trolley poles and electric power it can pull into a bus stop and pull out of a bus stop like normal motor bus a trolleybus can run on dual power like electric and batteries or electric and diesel like some cities in Europe but a trolleybus has one advantage over motor bus if it solely running on electric power it does not need to refuel dual mode trolleys are used like the ones Rome they use batteries to reach the terminus or in a emergency were dual mode is used for loss of power.
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Re: Trolley Bus

Postby Vitalstatistix » Sat Nov 28, 2009 12:44 pm

I think Trolley buses are cool. I've been able to see them working in Wellington (NZ) and San Francisco (US). Obviously there are environmental advantages to trolley bus operations over buses powered by diesel or CNG and with trams, buses will always have greater access and coverage.
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Re: Trolley Bus

Postby Daz » Sat Nov 28, 2009 12:48 pm

Because tracks are very, very, very, VERY expensive to retrofit. Also, when more buses can be added to the system without having to worry about signal lights and crap. Or if the time comes, bring the wires down and no evidence is left behind...

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Re: Trolley Bus

Postby Trolley Bus Racer » Sun Nov 29, 2009 6:52 pm

a Trolley bus is Efficent like a tram, yet can drive around obstacles like a bus
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Re: Trolley Bus

Postby MaxHeadway » Sun Nov 29, 2009 7:36 pm

Trolley Bus Racer wrote:a Trolley bus is Efficent like a tram, yet can drive around obstacles like a bus

And... they handle steep hills well, plying gradients unsuitable for trams (or gas buses, for that matter). That's why in Brisbane, the Edward St / Spring Hill tram was replaced by the #23 trolleybus in 1947.
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Re: Trolley Bus

Postby STA 1440 » Sun Nov 29, 2009 8:50 pm

What I've always wanted to see is a tram with all the overhead electrics and electric motors removed, and instead replaced with the running gear from a bus. I.E 10 litre Volvo engine, coupled to a 6-speed ZF.

Now that would be interesting to see roaring down a Melbourne street :P 8)
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Re: Trolley Bus

Postby ALBION1881 » Sun Nov 29, 2009 10:19 pm

There were tramways in the world powered by gas,compressed air,batteries,steam and petrol you remember reading about the batterie powered tram in Adelaide and Bendigo and Gisbourne New Zealand and Karachi tramways Pakistan used petrol powered trams alternative power was used in trams.
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Re: Trolley Bus

Postby Trolley Bus Racer » Mon Nov 30, 2009 1:41 am

B58 Howler wrote:What I've always wanted to see is a tram with all the overhead electrics and electric motors removed, and instead replaced with the running gear from a bus. I.E 10 litre Volvo engine, coupled to a 6-speed ZF.

Now that would be interesting to see roaring down a Melbourne street :P 8)


Well Siemens do make a Dual power tram Called the Combino Duo

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Its ruins the Capacity though
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Re: Trolley Bus

Postby Connex » Fri Dec 04, 2009 9:01 pm

Trolley Bus Racer wrote:Its ruins the Capacity though

Not that there is much capacity anyway in a Combino tram. :lol:

With the resurgence of trams and light rail networks taking place across the globe, maybe the humble trolley bus will too make a return in vast quantities.
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Re: Trolley Bus

Postby qutas » Fri Dec 04, 2009 9:47 pm

Hi! No one said anything about the very reliable service the trolly busses provided in Hobart and suberbs
They were used where hills were too steep for the trams. They went to some parts of Sandy Bay, west Hobart and as far out as Cornelian Bay.
Removing the trams and trolly busses (electrical driven transport) from Hobart, probably was one of the worst mistakes Australian governments have ever made. Even had cheap hydro power
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Re: Trolley Bus

Postby Uncle Travo » Sat Jan 02, 2010 8:37 pm

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Is this what you call a trolley bus?
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Re: Trolley Bus

Postby Tas Bus Nut » Sun Jan 03, 2010 7:08 am

qutas wrote:Hi! No one said anything about the very reliable service the trolly busses provided in Hobart and suberbs
They were used where hills were too steep for the trams. They went to some parts of Sandy Bay, west Hobart and as far out as Cornelian Bay.
Removing the trams and trolly busses (electrical driven transport) from Hobart, probably was one of the worst mistakes Australian governments have ever made. Even had cheap hydro power
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Here!! Here!! qutas. The old BUT trolleybuses from Hobart were an awesome looking machine. Drivers I've talked to cannot praise the highly enough. Quiet and VERY responsive. Only problem was the poles coming off the wires more often than not. The steepest gradient of the trolleys, was up to West Hobart as you stated. Then main reason for the demise of the trolleys (particularly in Hobart) was the 1967 bush fires. Trolley services were ceased for a period of time because of power restrictions after the fire and THAT unfortunately was probably the start of the end. I TOO would LOVE to see the re-introduction of trolleybuses to Hobart, a lot cheaper than re-introducing trams as is the talk all the time. More flexible with services is the key, something the tram does not have (unless you pour millions and millions of $$$ into infrastructure). Anyway, only my two bobs worth!!
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Re: Trolley Bus

Postby Dave Wilson » Sun Jan 03, 2010 2:54 pm

I can recommend a late night ride in San Francisco when the traffic has died down a bit. All I can say is - make sure you don't have a weak heart!
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Re: Trolley Bus

Postby Swift » Sun Jan 03, 2010 3:34 pm

Another advantage is drivers can't drive off route as easily as a diesel bus :P .

It was a shame to lose the double decker trolley buses from Kogara.They looked more modern than their diesel counterparts and ,by all accounts,ran a heck of alot smoother.
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Re: Trolley Bus

Postby Dave Wilson » Sun Jan 03, 2010 4:50 pm

Have a look at the below link for footage of the City - Kings X - Potts Pt system 1946.Nice view of a 'Q' type in service.

http://aso.gov.au/titles/documentaries/city-sun/clip1/
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Re: Trolley Bus

Postby mrobsessed » Sun Jan 03, 2010 5:01 pm

Just wonderful..
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Re: Trolley Bus

Postby idontcare » Mon Jan 04, 2010 4:43 pm

Dave Wilson wrote:Have a look at the below link for footage of the City - Kings X - Potts Pt system 1946.Nice view of a 'Q' type in service.

http://aso.gov.au/titles/documentaries/city-sun/clip1/

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Re: Trolley Bus

Postby dude » Tue Jan 05, 2010 10:49 am

Uncle Travo wrote:Is this what you call a trolley bus?

Thats what you now called a non-operational trolleybus since the Edmonton system was shutdown by the f%^*nuts in charge of that city.

At least Vancouver is still going and expanding.
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Re: Trolley Bus

Postby BT-Otto » Wed Jan 06, 2010 7:39 pm

Deanes 5013 wrote:Another advantage is drivers can't drive off route as easily as a diesel bus :P .
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But it does not stop impatient trolly bus drivers passing stopped trolly bus drivers loading passengers... As I witnessed in Wellington NZ about 20 years ago... RESULT = Mangled trolley poles and 1 bus totally disabled and lifeless !!!
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Re: Trolley Bus

Postby Trolley Bus Racer » Sat Jan 09, 2010 6:46 pm

dude wrote:
Uncle Travo wrote:Is this what you call a trolley bus?

Thats what you now called a non-operational trolleybus since the Edmonton system was shutdown by the f%^*nuts in charge of that city.

At least Vancouver is still going and expanding.



IIRC The Edmonton System shut then a month or so later it Reopened
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Re: Trolley Bus

Postby system improver » Sun Jan 10, 2010 2:59 pm

Trolley Bus Racer wrote:...IIRC The Edmonton System shut then a month or so later it Reopened


Nope. Gone (2 May 2009)

Even in Switzerland, the trolleybus is under threat. Depite some pretty new rolling stock, in Basel, the decision was made to replace them with diesel buses. A referendum was held after protests. However, 53.7% voted to replace them (i.e. only 46.3% voted to retain). The last one ran on 30 June 2008. I managed to snap one in 2002 when it was pretty new:

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(There is no truth in the rumour that they were designed by the same person who designed the CAC/OB.)
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Re: Trolley Bus

Postby ka9102 » Fri Feb 05, 2010 9:31 pm

Damm,I wish they'd sell these surplus buses to Wellington!!! :twisted: :wink:
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Re: Trolley Bus

Postby ka9102 » Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:30 pm

BT-Otto wrote: As I witnessed in Wellington NZ about 20 years ago... RESULT = Mangled trolley poles and 1 bus totally disabled and lifeless !!!


do you have any photos? keen to see them!!! :wink:
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