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Re: The Random Admet Question Thread

Postby mmosca447 » Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:05 am

TA3001 wrote:Just wondering, are all 72_ (South Rd) services officially starting from stop B1 just south of North Tce, now that A1 seems to be closed?

If this is the case, why haven't the timetables been updated to reflect this?


From my observation, 72_ buses still sit where A1 was without picking up any pax, then they proceed to B1 and start their journey as normal. This may not always be the case though
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Re: The Random Admet Question Thread

Postby Skexis » Sat Apr 14, 2018 1:11 am

TA3001 wrote:Just wondering, are all 72_ (South Rd) services officially starting from stop B1 just south of North Tce, now that A1 seems to be closed? If this is the case, why haven't the timetables been updated to reflect this?

Yes. Timetables have not been updated as it's only a temporary thing until the tramline works in KWR are finished (or at least that's what we've been told) whereupon A1 will come back into regular service. Stop AA near Victoria Drive has been permanently closed although some drivers still drop off at it.
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Re: The Random Admet Question Thread

Postby Diesel_MAN » Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:01 pm

mmosca447 wrote:
TA3001 wrote:Just wondering, are all 72_ (South Rd) services officially starting from stop B1 just south of North Tce, now that A1 seems to be closed?

If this is the case, why haven't the timetables been updated to reflect this?


From my observation, 72_ buses still sit where A1 was without picking up any pax, then they proceed to B1 and start their journey as normal. This may not always be the case though


I've observed the same. Buses will now sometimes turn right onto King William Road from North Terrace coming from the west, so you won't find every 719-723 bus laying over.at Stop A1 in the peak hours.
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Re: The Random Admet Question Thread

Postby Eurostar » Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:25 pm

Was Morialta Road in Smithfield meant to be a main road, and was it meant to connect with road on other side of army depot land.
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Re: The Random Admet Question Thread

Postby bigrobbo » Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:14 pm

With the development of Live West at West Lakes, should the B10 be rerouted down Brebner Drive? Gives alternate bus access to these residents.


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Re: The Random Admet Question Thread

Postby TA3001 » Tue Apr 17, 2018 7:15 pm

In regards to the comment above, I also think that the current H30 should be rerouted along Military Rd with it running at least hourly, with Sportsman's Dr served hourly. It would provide some alternative transport to those who reside adjacent to Military Rd between Frederick Rd and West Lakes Boulevard.

Having no service along there at all after hours is disgraceful, and I would hate to be living on the western side of Military Rd in this vicinity without a car. Few passengers use the current B12 in this portion, and it wouldn't be completely unrelated to the fact that some may possibly be unaware of any existing PT options along this section of Rd.

The cost would be minimal, and the 288s could also run at night hourly to serve Tapleys Hill Rd between Trimmer Parade and Grange Rd in lieu of 287s running half hourly. It would sort of account for the aforementioned reduction of H30 services along Sportsman's Dr.
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Re: The Random Admet Question Thread

Postby thedom » Sun May 20, 2018 6:59 pm

TA3001 wrote:In regards to the comment above, I also think that the current H30 should be rerouted along Military Rd with it running at least hourly, with Sportsman's Dr served hourly. It would provide some alternative transport to those who reside adjacent to Military Rd between Frederick Rd and West Lakes Boulevard.

Having no service along there at all after hours is disgraceful, and I would hate to be living on the western side of Military Rd in this vicinity without a car. Few passengers use the current B12 in this portion, and it wouldn't be completely unrelated to the fact that some may possibly be unaware of any existing PT options along this section of Rd.

The cost would be minimal, and the 288s could also run at night hourly to serve Tapleys Hill Rd between Trimmer Parade and Grange Rd in lieu of 287s running half hourly. It would sort of account for the aforementioned reduction of H30 services along Sportsman's Dr.


Should Henley Beach, Fulham Gardens and Fulham residents (stop 26 to 287 Terminus) have reduced services to account for a low population area receiving hourly services where there are no more than several services a day M-F (B12)? Why does the 376 not run 7 days a week to service those residents - couldnt the 155 be 'extended' to cover delfin island with a few services at night and on weekends?

Perhaps if the Grange train line had a higher patronage (particularly seaton park, east grange, grange) then there wouldnt be plans to replace that service for light rail in the longer term planning.

If Grange was a busier route, there would be feeder bus services at night -suggestion of an expanded old '330' service from west lakes via grange, semaphore and port adelaide 'feeder or loop service' could instead provide suitable connections to quick train services to the city in about the same time as a road service - granted that might be the new port dock station rather than the trek up to the viaduct.

Just can't see the demand for the 288 service beyond shopping hours. Perhaps the 117/115 route could be future rerouted via Brebner drive instead of B10.. less services given it only serves a small number of residents (one side of the road).
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Re: The Random Admet Question Thread

Postby The judge and jury » Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:30 am

Ok here are a couple of questions I've been wondering what the answer is to for awhile.

Anyone know why the express services on the gawler line run so slow? Are there speed restrictions or they run up the back of a stopper in front due to bad timetabling?

Seems to have been that way since they did the tracks up get ready for electrification.

Any reason trains seem to sit idle for a minute or two at Elizabeth? Same reason as above and have drivers been instructed to do so not that that matters?
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Re: The Random Admet Question Thread

Postby Skexis » Thu Jun 28, 2018 12:23 am

The judge and jury wrote:Ok here are a couple of questions I've been wondering what the answer is to for awhile.

Anyone know why the express services on the gawler line run so slow? Are there speed restrictions or they run up the back of a stopper in front due to bad timetabling?

Seems to have been that way since they did the tracks up get ready for electrification.

Any reason trains seem to sit idle for a minute or two at Elizabeth? Same reason as above and have drivers been instructed to do so not that that matters?

Might be better posting these questions in the Railpage forum
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Re: The Random Admet Question Thread

Postby Eagle Eye » Thu Jun 28, 2018 2:58 pm

The judge and jury wrote:Ok here are a couple of questions I've been wondering what the answer is to for awhile.

Anyone know why the express services on the gawler line run so slow? Are there speed restrictions or they run up the back of a stopper in front due to bad timetabling?

Seems to have been that way since they did the tracks up get ready for electrification.

Any reason trains seem to sit idle for a minute or two at Elizabeth? Same reason as above and have drivers been instructed to do so not that that matters?

The Gawler line timetable still seems to carry running times for trips previously operated by Jumbos. Many Monday to Friday services seem to have a small excess of time, whereas weekend services can be quite tight, especially around Salisbury where no time has been allowed for changing tracks and for loading time at one of the busiest stations.
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Re: The Random Admet Question Thread

Postby The judge and jury » Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:45 pm

Thanks. Came across that site in last few days
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Re: The Random Admet Question Thread

Postby The judge and jury » Thu Jun 28, 2018 8:11 pm

Does anyone know what the grids are for on the obahn just before you get to each interchange?
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Re: The Random Admet Question Thread

Postby The judge and jury » Thu Jun 28, 2018 8:52 pm

Thanks eagle eye.

The timetables don't seem to work well and they were changed just recently. Although I couldn't see any changes to the gawler line at all.

The ad met site said changes would be for more capacity whatever that means. Haven't seen any extra carriages on peak hour services if that's what it meant

Also it's ridiculous you can't get an express service to the city from outer northern suburbs to start work at 8 in the morning.

Same in the arvo if you knock off at 4 or something.

So much for flexible working hours.

Hardly worth going on the train if you want to get into and out of the city by 8 and leave at 4 or 4.30. There used to be a 4.19 semi express service
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Re: The Random Admet Question Thread

Postby thedom » Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:40 pm

Having been around the Gawler line for a few years now - i would attest to the reduction of track speed restrictions which have resulted in much fewer delays along the route. ... and the demise of the Jumbos; pox box performance is improving travel times and speed in and out of Adelaide Yard now -trains appear to be travelling faster into ARS in recent months -it would be worth checking the on time running to confirm many trains are running early on most lines -meaning dwell times on expresses at least allow longer on time running the length of the line.
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Re: The Random Admet Question Thread

Postby BroadGauge » Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:46 pm

Skexis wrote:Might be better posting these questions in the Railpage forum

That's the last site that anybody should be directed to for anything.
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Re: The Random Admet Question Thread

Postby The judge and jury » Tue Jul 03, 2018 5:48 pm

Anyone know why when they recently changed timetables for the obahn due to quicker times from the tunnel and all door boarding they had buses departing later?

Why wouldn't they have departing at same time and arriving earlier than before?

Reason being is the C1 arrives at ELizabeth railway station one minute after each of the three express trains depart there. Crazy

An opportunity to match up bus arrivals and train departures missed. Blinkers on maybe?
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Re: The Random Admet Question Thread

Postby TA3001 » Tue Jul 03, 2018 8:00 pm

It's the same with the B10 and outbound 157s. They're often timed to arrive two minutes after the 157 departs stop B West Lakes, whether it's on a weekday or a weekend, particularly at night.

I suspect that this is the case so that they get less boardings and can hence justify more service cuts. The 117 arriving West Lakes on a weekend arrives 2 minutes before the 157 inbound going by the timetable. All favourable towards an inevitable decrease in overall PT patronage.

In short, a win/win for the DPTI, just like with the Metrocard issue, and the gates at Adelaide station which force you to validate for a service you may not even be using.
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Re: The Random Admet Question Thread

Postby The judge and jury » Tue Jul 03, 2018 8:32 pm

Not sure it's the case of getting less boardings on the train TA. Probably yes for the bus.

But it certainly isn't an incentive to catch PT with things like that. Easier to just drive especially when they had the perfect opportunity recently to make a seamless transfer from bus to the more popular express train services if you work at say TTP and live sound Smithfield or gawler.

It's not that far a drive to and from there and very minimal traffic issues
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Re: The Random Admet Question Thread

Postby Eagle Eye » Wed Jul 04, 2018 4:49 pm

The judge and jury wrote:Anyone know why when they recently changed timetables for the obahn due to quicker times from the tunnel and all door boarding they had buses departing later?

Why wouldn't they have departing at same time and arriving earlier than before?

Reason being is the C1 arrives at ELizabeth railway station one minute after each of the three express trains depart there. Crazy

C1 services aren't meant to be railway feeders like the 400-series of routes are. They are probably timed to fit with O-Bahn timetable patterns which means it won't always be possible to connect to a train.
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Re: The Random Admet Question Thread

Postby The judge and jury » Wed Jul 04, 2018 8:34 pm

Still think it's weird eagle eye.

Why would they go to Elizabeth train station and not terminate at Elizabeth shopping centre?

Surely matching bus arrivals with train arrivals makes sense
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Re: The Random Admet Question Thread

Postby jibb » Wed Jul 04, 2018 8:47 pm

As Eagle Eye has already stated the O-Bahn is a system within itself and was never intended as a rail feeder service.
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Re: Fleet No. 700

Postby Skexis » Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:28 pm

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BihetM wrote:In the year 2000 there was a bus with the fleet number 700 it was around Elizabeth area, it had either a single door or no door at the back, does anyone know what the make and model of the bus.


There were 2 of these, 700 & 701. They had a double leaf front door only, no centre door & they were new to Serco then moved onto Torrens Transit before heading interstate.

There were another 2 of the same type with Southlink, these came from Perth and had centre doors, they eventualy returned to Perth where they are still in service.

The only other Dennis Dart was new to Whyalla City Transport and had front doors only. Its still in Whyalla but operated By Des's Cabe or whatever their name is as they now operate the town service.

Southlink's 2746 also only has a front door. It's their fourth most useless bus after the three Rosa's.
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Re: The Random Admet Question Thread

Postby The Phonj » Fri Jul 06, 2018 6:55 pm

Torrens have seven buses with only a single door at the front: Tindo, Iveco 1373 and Mercedes Benz O405NH's 1320-1324. OK on lightly patronised services, but on busy inner city services (Henley Beach Rd etc) slow to load and unload.
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Re: The Random Admet Question Thread

Postby Eurostar » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:08 pm

The Phonj wrote:Torrens have seven buses with only a single door at the front: Tindo, Iveco 1373 and Mercedes Benz O405NH's 1320-1324. OK on lightly patronised services, but on busy inner city services (Henley Beach Rd etc) slow to load and unload.
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Re: The Random Admet Question Thread

Postby mmosca447 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:40 am

Does anybody want to do a last-minute bus tour today? Just ride a few routes around and do a bit of bus-spotting? I know it's super last minute but if anyone's interested that'd be cool
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