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by **Sb617** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 5:40 pm

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=161696

Looking at the pic, It appears the unit is already here having travelled through the North Coast Line to Brisbane, but will spend a couple of days in Brisbane undergoing testing (brakes, etc) for a couple of days. The units will presumably be tested on the GC Line.

by **Ar-tik** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 5:48 pm

Now that is a sexy looking suburban train!!

And a great photo by MichealJ...

by **ABS** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 6:16 pm

That looks awesome!

by **member 1423** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 6:18 pm

It will be here for 2 weeks and this train (as long with the others that will be built) will be cheap and nasty.

by **T1200** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 6:19 pm

Everything about these new trains is good, except for the "style" of the airconditioner on top.

I am looking forward to travelling on one, having seen many pictures of what they look like.

by **jb17kx** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 6:38 pm

Very nice! The sad thing is that, while I saw all sorts during my stay in Nambour (EMUs, ICEs, ETTs, and even SMU 238) I could have been trackside to to see IMU 161 head south if I had extended my stay just one or two more days.

by **Volvo B12BLEA** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 7:14 pm

Externally it looks exactly like the new trains delivered to Perth recently.

by **Sb617** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 7:31 pm

MAN 18.310 wrote:Externally it looks exactly like the new trains delivered to Perth recently.

The body is based on Transperth's B-Sets used mainly on the Joondalup Line.

by **ABS** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 8:06 pm

The TransPerth Bombardier sets are only going to be used on the Joondalup and Mandurah Lines. The other three lines in Perth (Armadale, Fremantle, Midland) are stuck with the TransPerth A sets.

TransPerth 561 at Joondalup Station on the Clarkson Line.

Inside a TransPerth Bombardier set with no doors between the carriages travelling along the Clarkson Line down the centre of the Mitchell Freeway.

The seating inside a TransPerth Bombardier set at Stirling Station on the Clarkson Line.

by **MichaelJ** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 3:55 am

by **SM247** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 12:41 pm

Not a big fan of those ugly aircon boxes, I just got back from Perth today and they really mar an otherwise nice body shell.

Hopefully they will have better seating than the TransPerth units, theirs seems to be the same uncomfortable type as on the Siemens sets in Melbourne.

Got any possible dates for Gold Coast runs?

by **MichaelJ** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 12:59 pm

SM247 wrote:Got any possible dates for Gold Coast runs?

Maybe Thursday and Friday ...

by **T1200** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 7:02 pm

Are there any intercarriage doors?

by **member 1423** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 7:13 pm

T1200 wrote:Are there any intercarriage doors?

No

by **MichaelJ** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 10:53 pm

mbrowne1045 wrote:
T1200 wrote:Are there any intercarriage doors?

No

Don't get me wrong, I love the look of these new Units - everyone does - I'm just hoping that their 'crashworthiness' is decent and not just cheap and nasty!

by **Sb617** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 11:00 pm

The acceleration of the 160s seem to be faster than the 100/120 series IMUs. This is despite the lower revenue speed of the new 160 series (130km/h). But still, I think they should've placed intercarriage doors.

by **MichaelJ** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 11:05 pm

Arnzy wrote:The acceleration of the 160s seem to be faster than the 100/120 series IMUs. This is despite the lower revenue speed of the new 160 series (130km/h).

They will actually test up to 150km/h on the Gold Coast Line.

These beasts could do a wheel stand from stop/start. 1.3m/s/s IIRC.

by **T1248** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 11:29 pm

MichaelJ wrote:
Arnzy wrote:The acceleration of the 160s seem to be faster than the 100/120 series IMUs. This is despite the lower revenue speed of the new 160 series (130km/h).

They will actually test up to 150km/h on the Gold Coast Line.

These beasts could do a wheel stand from stop/start. 1.3m/s/s IIRC.

That has been said to be the Transperth speed, so QR's may not be the same, presumably it is the same though.

Cheers James

by **jb17kx** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 6:40 am

MichaelJ wrote:Don't get me wrong, I love the look of these new Units - everyone does - I'm just hoping that their 'crashworthiness' is decent and not just cheap and nasty!

It shouldn't cause any problems, but the RP users were up in arms over it... But the Perth B seires and Melbourne Siemens sets don't have intercarriage doors, and I don't think they'd let that style proliferate if it wasn't as safe...

by **T1200** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 8:07 am

No intercarriage doors...I would think it would be a bit noisy! And what about the air-con?

by **SM247** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 9:52 am

There's no real difference in external noise between a B-set and an A-set in Perth. The A-sets and our units actually get noiser when people go through the doors, while they are open.

One big problem I foresee is vandalism of the windows. Perth has a massive problem with window scratching, far worse than anything I've ever seen on both buses and trains. With the larger panel windows they have on both types of units and on our 160s, they will be harder to replace.

by **ABS** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 12:04 pm

One of the B sets I travelled on had every window panel on one of the carriages scratched.

by **Windy** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 1:45 pm

Arnzy wrote:The acceleration of the 160s seem to be faster than the 100/120 series IMUs. This is despite the lower revenue speed of the new 160 series (130km/h). But still, I think they should've placed intercarriage doors.

That might have something to do with the gearing, lower speed, higher acceleration or higher speed, and slower acceleration.

I don't understand the QR obsession with split windows, the ICE doesn't have it...

by **Volvo B12B Driver** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 4:53 pm

Spotted 161 today at Roma St @ 14:00.

by **MichaelJ** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 7:12 pm

SM247 wrote:There's no real difference in external noise between a B-set and an A-set in Perth.

That is garbage.

TP A Series = QR EMU
TP B Series = QR 160 IMU

There is a huuuge difference in external noise between the two. I cannot hear that infamous 'whine' of the EMU in a 160 IMU. Infact, I can't hear a 160 IMU - at all!

The issue surrounding InterCar Doors on Railpage was the fact that individual carriages can be locked down to reflect late evening patronage or prevent passengers from being injured if the car has been defaced/damaged. If there is a problem with one car in a 106/260 IMU/SMU, then the entire Unit must be locked up.

The idea behind split windows is basically replacement cost. So, when the Keperra/Loganlea/Nerang Boys throw rocks, only half the window has to be replaced.

ABS, it is a shame that parasites deface the windows with sharp implements and sand paper. The actual window does not scratch, just the tint. QR don't seem to be fussed on re-tinting windows. The Re-engineered/Overhauled EMUs are one excellent example.

I saw the train:
DOWN - 13:25 - Redbank
UP - 14:30 - Wacol

Ferny Grove Line tomorrow ...

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