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Re: Grenda Group news January - June 2012

Postby V981 » Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:28 pm

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scott wrote:It looks very smart, perhaps Ventura should use it as a new group livery.

I agree, But I am wondering about the Dandenong bit-Will they name other buses after the Depot's suburb or will they just do Moorabbin, Peninsula, etc


Im not certain to be honest, but my gut feeling tells me that seeing as this bus has been labelled "Dandenong" that other depots buses will have the suburb they are based in as being their label. It would appear all buses will probably have the Ventura name on them, but will be labelled according to their depots location. This might also allow passengers in certain cases to quickly accertain which depot the bus they left their wallet on comes from, as its merrily driving off, on routes where multiple depots operate, e.g. The 828 Berwick-Hampton route. :wink:
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Re: Grenda Group news January - June 2012

Postby Peter1805 » Sat Mar 03, 2012 8:21 pm

Went past the Dandenong Grenda depot today, and spotted this bus with this livery - was only a glimpse, but very impressed...

Personally I would like to see the whole Grentura fleet looking like this.
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Re: Grenda Group news January - June 2012

Postby RailwayBus » Sat Mar 03, 2012 8:36 pm

Peter1805 wrote:Went past the Dandenong Grenda depot today, and spotted this bus with this livery - was only a glimpse, but very impressed...

Personally I would like to see the whole Grentura fleet looking like this.


It's starting to grow on me. Yep would be good to see the outdated light blue livery replaced with this one!
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Re: Grenda Group news January - June 2012

Postby krustyklo » Sat Mar 03, 2012 9:07 pm

There was a try at freshening the livery, but it didn't look all that great. The new white GBS based livery could work very nicely.

I didn't mind the update to the livery shown as it was an attempt to be modern and an improvement over the plain stripe previously used, but the biggest issue from my point of view is the insipid light blue. Whatever is done, using a light blue base with a less than highly contrasting dark blue is always going to be less than appealing. Every other operator seems to have done away with a base colour other than white, presumably for reasons of easy repair, but it has the advantage that, if kept clean, it looks modern with a sympathetic set of vinyls and colours and styles. Even Ventura on some of their coaches adopted a white base and blue / light blue / yellow variant that looks really good - shame it never made it to their route buses as it would have been a great improvement.

What, the actual red and the almost pink?

Red has been an issue with fast discolouration for a long time - something to do with the pigments used and their reaction to sunlight or some such thing. As an aside, anyone with access to the Keith Parkin book on British Railways Mk I coaches can read some interesting information on the issue IIRC. Blue should be less problematic in this regard.

I doubt this livery will make it over to the Ventura side as there is too much history behind the existing livery, as most know Ventura as the blue bus company. Anyway only new or major repair buses get the blue livery.

The trick will be to modify their livery to be sympathetic to their history. Dysons was a great example of this modifying their two tone green livery to a rather striking white top half, dark green lower half and pale green stripes. It was recognisable still as a Dysons bus, even including their compass logo, but modernised. Even the later liveries of the plain white and stripes and the current pick up sticks livery can be traced back to the company colours from those days - nobody would be silly enough to suggest that people can no longer pick that the bus in the distance is owned / operated by Dysons.

Equally there is no reason Ventura can't do the same - in fact as I have already mentioned for some of their coaches they did just this - and it looks good.

Im not certain to be honest, but my gut feeling tells me that seeing as this bus has been labelled "Dandenong" that other depots buses will have the suburb they are based in as being their label. It would appear all buses will probably have the Ventura name on them, but will be labelled according to their depots location. This might also allow passengers in certain cases to quickly accertain which depot the bus they left their wallet on comes from, as its merrily driving off, on routes where multiple depots operate, e.g. The 828 Berwick-Hampton route.


Gut feeling suggests that given current Grenda practice does something similar, that the suburb name will probably only appear on Grenda versions for now. However, it is really a clever idea and I think it should be rolled out across the board. I wonder if they realised how clever it was when they did it, or whether it was an accident that will become more obvious over time... :D

Will be interesting to see what happens with the Smartbus livery and how it will be modified/ Ventura-ed if this is the direction they are taking. Hopefully better than the current disjointed approach.
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Re: Grenda Group news January - June 2012

Postby gen man » Sun Mar 04, 2012 9:47 am

I see they got the signwriting wrong on G669, it should say Seymour Coaches with that livery!!! :shock: The red stripe should have been left, as that looks terrible now! :mrgreen:
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Re: Grenda Group news January - June 2012

Postby Apollo » Sun Mar 04, 2012 9:59 am

gen man wrote:I see they got the signwriting wrong on G669, it should say Seymour Coaches with that livery!!! :shock: The red stripe should have been left, as that looks terrible now! :mrgreen:


Very true. Maybe Dom Sita owns Ventura now :lol: :mrgreen: :wink:

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Re: Grenda Group news January - June 2012

Postby josh01 » Sun Mar 18, 2012 6:23 am

I901 is out on route 902 today
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Re: Grenda Group news January - June 2012

Postby The Cap a tan » Sun Mar 18, 2012 6:54 pm

josh01 wrote:I901 is out on route 902 today


I think you will find josh that I8901 & I8902 are actually now and have been for quite sometime, G8901 & G8902 and based at Dandenong.
Only I8903 to I8909 remain at Lilydale.
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Re: Grenda Group news January - June 2012

Postby Bradley » Sun Mar 18, 2012 8:24 pm

G808 (Dennis Darts, Volgren) (sigthed at Walker St Dandenong) operates on The Greater Dandenong Courtesy Bus around 11.22am today (18 March) due to Event at Dandenong Market. Normally don't runs on Sunday or Public Holidays.

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Re: Grenda Group news January - June 2012

Postby krustyklo » Mon Mar 19, 2012 6:03 pm

Only I8903 to I8909 remain at Lilydale.


So the times I see 8901 and 8902 are not newsworthy, but the time last week I saw 8903 on the 902 was newsworthy and I should have reported it here then?

Hard to know nowadays what's newsworthy or not with Smartbuses...
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Re: Grenda Group news January - June 2012

Postby MMTB Busnut » Tue Mar 20, 2012 10:33 am

krustyklo wrote:
Only I8903 to I8909 remain at Lilydale.

So the times I see 8901 and 8902 are not newsworthy, but the time last week I saw 8903 on the 902 was newsworthy and I should have reported it here then?
Hard to know nowadays what's newsworthy or not with Smartbuses...

The depot location of 8901 + 8902 has been well known and mentioned here over half a dozen times that these buses are Dandenong based and can travel on 900, 901 & 902, the problem is some people are not taking notice of what is said in reply posts! :roll:
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Re: Grenda Group news January - June 2012

Postby B7RLE » Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:25 am

I saw 8901 on 900 last week
Also saw 156 out on route service yesterday it is normally on school routes only
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Re: Grenda Group news January - June 2012

Postby B7RLE » Thu Mar 22, 2012 7:05 pm

G669 is in a different style Ventura livery will post some photo laters
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Re: Grenda Group news January - June 2012

Postby Desto Dave » Fri Mar 23, 2012 9:00 am

The same one as mentioned above or has it been modified already?!?
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Re: Grenda Group news January - June 2012

Postby Leigh » Fri Mar 23, 2012 9:29 am

Its probably been modified. The one above was only a trial.
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Re: Grenda Group news January - June 2012

Postby MMTB Busnut » Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:05 am

Desto Dave wrote:The same one as mentioned above or has it been modified already?!?

The same bus 669, more stripes removed, navy blue apron, Fugly large V on side. Depot letter G and corner numbers removed
Version 1 much better.
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Re: Grenda Group news January - June 2012

Postby B7RLE » Fri Mar 23, 2012 6:50 pm

Here are those pics
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Re: Grenda Group news January - June 2012

Postby Leyland B21 » Fri Mar 23, 2012 7:13 pm

I actually prefer the first design.
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Re: Grenda Group news January - June 2012

Postby Apollo » Fri Mar 23, 2012 7:17 pm

Do Ventura actually pay people to come up with this stuff?
What a horrible livery. What's the point of the silly stylised V when they stick ads on the buses so quickly and in that exact spot. And the nice white rear. How imaginative.

Why not just stick to the 2 blues with a slight swirly stripe to symbolize the grenda depots involvement. Ventura have come so far in transforming national, croydon and starting with US and Ivanhoe why change it again?
With Ventura adopting an all white livery it's as if grenda took over Ventura not the other way around. The one thing you would expect Ventura to bring over to grenda is the lovely 2 blues.
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Re: Grenda Group news January - June 2012

Postby RailwayBus » Fri Mar 23, 2012 7:40 pm

The first version looked nicer, ie: the one without the V on the side. But then, it would look even better if it had a blue Ventura logo on the white background there rather than the V.
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Re: Grenda Group news January - June 2012

Postby Craig » Fri Mar 23, 2012 7:44 pm

I wonder if the V would be recognisable with a near-side advert? I don't think it would quite cover it, but it would definitely spoil the effect they were after.

#669 was out on Route 800 this evening - grabbed this shot at Dandenong:

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Re: Grenda Group news January - June 2012

Postby scott » Fri Mar 23, 2012 8:02 pm

1st design was much better. I agree with Apollo, there needs to be another brainstorming session, I think maybe a combination of blue,red and yellow stripes, the blue on white Ventura logo and the navy apron, or maybe another stripe combination incorporating the blue.

I also like the newer style Ventura coach livery, such as what is on the newer Irizar and Higer school buses, an adaptation of that would probably work well.

As I have said before there are benefits with a white based livery, such as cheaper and quicker repairs and a fresher more modern look that is less likely to fade.
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Re: Grenda Group news January - June 2012

Postby Peter1805 » Fri Mar 23, 2012 8:05 pm

I quite like both liveries.

On the second one, the big "V" on the side reminds me a bit of the old V-line emblem, I think??
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Re: Grenda Group news January - June 2012

Postby The Cap a tan » Fri Mar 23, 2012 8:10 pm

Maybe just leave it parked at Dandy station overnight and see what the local scrotes come up with.
Agree with those above though first attempt looked better, second attempt looks overdone.
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Re: Grenda Group news January - June 2012

Postby Luke » Fri Mar 23, 2012 8:25 pm

I like the front of the 2nd version and that is all I like, the first version was a million times better.
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