Bus Timetable changes / reprints - May 2011

[Luke]

Last week I saw a notice on M59- Saying there will be 857 changes but i have not seen any other evidence for that

[Craig]

The only changes so far with the 411/412 timetable are the last two departures from Laverton to Westona.
The old departure times were 2019 and 2100, however, as of today (2/5) the new times are 2030 and 2110...

And guess what??? No Timetables... Management were not even aware of the changes.

New timetables for 411/412 are still not available online yet either. I believe some other evening trips ex Laverton may have been adjusted, as well as on weekends.

Last week I saw a notice on M59- Saying there will be 857 changes but i have not seen any other evidence for that

This notice states there will be reprinted timetables for Routes 811/812/823, 828, 843/845/849/861, 850 & 857 showing the new train connection times. There are no timetable changes as such.

There is now an excellent summary of the McHarry's changes on their website, as below. New timetables can also be viewed on their website.

Service Changes - Sunday 8 May 2011

Effective: Sunday 8 May 2011
As the train timetable changes in Geelong on Sunday 8 May 2011, McHarry's will also be updating most of our services. This has been done to better aline our buses with the new train timetables and adjust travel times to reflect changing traffic conditions.

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Route 19 - Geelong to Deakin University via Marshall Station
Minor changes have been made to some trips on weekdays, Saturdays and Sundays to connect with the new train times. Be sure to check the new timetable to see if your bus has been affected.

Click here to see the updated timetables effective from 8 May 2011.



Route 20 - Geelong to Deakin University via Marshall
Minor changes have been made to some trips on weekdays to connect with the new train times. Be sure to check the new timetable to see if your bus has been affected.

Click here to see the updated timetables effective from 8 May 2011.



Route 45 - St Albans Park to Corio via Geelong
Changes have been made to most trips on weekdays, Saturdays and Sundays to connect with the new train times and better reflect traffic conditions. Be sure to check the new timetable to see if your bus has been affected.

Click here to see the updated timetables effective from 8 May 2011.



Route 61 - Geelong to St Albans Park and Breakwater
Changes have been made to most trips on weekdays, Saturdays and Sundays to connect with the new train times and better reflect traffic conditions. Be sure to check the new timetable to see if your bus has been affected.

Click here to see the updated timetables effective from 8 May 2011.


Route 62 - Geelong to Whittington & St Albans Park
Minor changes have been made to some trips on weekdays to connect with the new train times. Be sure to check the new timetable to see if your bus has been affected.

Click here to see the updated timetables effective from 8 May 2011.



Route 72 - Jan Juc to Marshall via Torquay
The morning services on this timetable will need to run 10 minutes earlier because of the new train timetables. Be sure to check the new timetable to see if your bus has been affected.

Click here to see the updated timetables effective from 8 May 2011.



Route 73 - Torquay to Wombah Park
Minor changes have been made to a trip on weekdays to connect with the route 74 times. No changes have been made to the weekend timetables. Be sure to check the new timetable to see if your bus has been affected.

Click here to see the updated timetables effective from 8 May 2011.



Route 74 - Geelong to Jan Juc via Torquay
Minor changes have been made to some trips on weekdays to connect with the new train times. No changes have been made to the weekend timetables. Be sure to check the new timetable to see if your bus has been affected.

Click here to see the updated timetables effective from 8 May 2011.



Route 75 & 76 - Geelong to Queenscliff
Minor changes have been made to some trips on weekdays to connect with the new train times. There is now an additional trip from Queenscliff on Saturdays. No changes to Sundays. Be sure to check the new timetable to see if your bus has been affected.

Click here to see the updated timetables effective from 8 May 2011.



Route 77 - Geelong to Leopold
Minor changes have been made to some trips on weekdays to connect with the new train times. No changes have been made to the weekend timetables. Be sure to check the new timetable to see if your bus has been affected.

Click here to see the updated timetables effective from 8 May 2011.



Route 78 - Drysdale to Clifton Springs
No changes have been made to this service. See the current Route 78 - Drysdale to Clifton Springs service.


Route 79 - Geelong to St Leonards via Drysdale
Minor changes have been made to some trips on weekdays and Saturdays to connect with the new train times. No changes have been made to the Sunday timetables. Be sure to check the new timetable to see if your bus has been affected.

Click here to see the updated timetables effective from 8 May 2011.



Route 80 - Geelong to Ocean Grove via Marshall and Barwon Heads
Changes have been made to most trips on weekdays, Saturdays and Sundays to connect with the new train times and better reflect traffic conditions. Be sure to check the new timetable to see if your bus has been affected.

Click here to see the updated timetables effective from 8 May 2011.



Route 81 - Drysdale to Ocean Grove
Changes have been made to most trips on weekdays and Saturdays to connect with buses at Drysdale and Ocean Grove. There are also a few additional trips. Be sure to check the new timetable to see if your bus has been affected.

Click here to see the updated timetables effective from 8 May 2011.



Route 82 - Ocean Grove to Queenscliff
Changes have been made to all trips from Ocean Grove to Queenscliff to better reflect traffic conditions. Be sure to check the new timetable to see if your bus has been affected.

Click here to see the updated timetables effective from 8 May 2011.



Route 83 - Ocean Grove to Geelong via Wallington
No changes have been made to this service. Click here to see the Route 83 - Ocean Grove to Geelong via Wallington service.



V/Line - Geelong to Apollo Bay via Great Ocean RoadMinor timetable changes have been made to this service. Be sure to check the new timetable to see if your bus has been affected.

Click here to see the updated timetables effective from 8 May 2011.

Kind Regards


Craig

[giarc]

I notice that 562/572 have listed Timetables up to 30.4.11. Notwithstanding the current Roadworks diversion (scheduled now to end in June), is that an opportunity for a revision at all during May? For the expanding area they now service surely 30 and 40 min frequencies are redundant... and in the peaks even that is hard to maintain...

[Mike M]

Picked up at Reservoir yesterday :

New East West timetable for Route 561 Coburg to Macleod effective 8 May 2011 (train times effective 6 June 2010) v.1 (Apr 11).

Good to see plenty of the new timetables on the bus 4 days before the start date. it isn't always the case!

[Mike M]

Picked up from Sita:

457 Melton to Melton Station

458 Kurunjang to Melton Station

459 Arnolds Creek to Melton Station

All are effective 8 May 2011 v.1 (Apr 11)

The new timetables for routes 453 & 455 & others that are being updated for train times only have been delayed in printing & are not expected for approx. 2 weeks.

[krustyklo]

Picked up at Reservoir yesterday :

Where do you go at Reservoir Bus Company to pick up timetables? I squibbed at the no trespassers sign!

[Bradley]

Broadmeadows Bus.

Picked up at The Met Shop today (6 May).

Route 528, 529, 533 & 535 Craigieburn, 532 Broadmeadows to Craigieburn & 544 Craigieburn Roxburgh Park now in one new bus timetables effective 8 May, 2011 v.1 (Apr 11) with train times effective also 8 May, 2011. Route 544 no longer itself bus timetables now in one timetables with route 528, 529, 532, 533 & 535.

Route No.

• 528 - Craigieburn to Craigieburn South.

• 529 - Craigieburn to Craigieburn West.

• 532 - Broadmeadows to Craigieburn.

• 533 - Craigieburn to Craigieburn North via Royal Tce.

• 535 - Craigieburn to Craigieburn North via Atken Bvd.

• 544 - Craigieburn to Roxburgh Park.

Route 544 longer runs from Roxburgh Park to Broadmeadeows & been replace by Smartbus route 901.
Dysons Bus no longer operates route 544 & it operated by Broadmeadows Bus Services.

Cheers

Bradley.

[Mike M]

Picked up at Reservoir yesterday :

Where do you go at Reservoir Bus Company to pick up timetables? I squibbed at the no trespassers sign!

I picked up my copy of the new 561 timetable off a bus at the station but have been to their office several times to pick up timetables. I don't think the trespassing sign applies to someone going to their office for a legitimate reason, and I have always found the lady at the front desk to be very helpful.

[krustyklo]

I picked up my copy of the new 561 timetable off a bus at the station but have been to their office several times to pick up timetables. I don't think the trespassing sign applies to someone going to their office for a legitimate reason, and I have always found the lady at the front desk to be very helpful.

Thanks, I might try and get there early next week and hope they haven't thrown out all the old 525 timetables!

[Bradley]

Dysons Bus.

Picked at The Met Shop today (9 May).

Route 504 Moonee Ponds to Clifton Hill new bus timetables effective 8 May, 2011 (v.1 Apr 11) with train times effective 6 June, 2010.

Changes are:
* 40 minutes trips Monday to Friday
* 35 minutes trips Weekends & Public Holidays.
* Route 504 now operates 7 days a week 6am to after 9.00pm Mon to Fri, 7am to after 9pm Saturday & Public Holidays & 8am to after 9pm Sunday, Good Friday & Xmas Day.

Haven't see new route 505 (Moonee Ponds to Melbourne University) bus timetables yet. Hopely gettning new timetables during the week.

Cheers

Bradley.

[Craig]

Haven't see new route 505 (Moonee Ponds to Melbourne University) bus timetables yet. Hopely gettning new timetables during the week.

Ample copies are available on the bus - Route 505 Moonee Ponds to Melbourne University via Parkville Gardens. Bus times effective 8 May, 2011, train times effective 8 May 2011 (v.1 Apr 11). I note it has an earlier version of the route map than available on the Metlink website.

On the suject of 505, I might have to eat my words on my doubts about loadings - caught the 17:03 trip from Royal Park to Moonne Ponds this afternoon, and the trip carried about 11 passengers! - half a dozen students were onboard already, and a few more boarded at Royal Park, almost all alighted with Parkville Gardens, but I think one passenger did the whole trip. We even picked up a passenger within the estate for Moonee Ponds! Great to see some healthy use.

The extended 561 trips were carrying a few passengers at the Coburg end each trip from my observations around 4pm. But anyone noticed the dodgy arrival times for 561 at Coburg? Weekday buses are given excessive time to travel about 1km from Pentridge estate timepoint to Coburg - one evening trip has as much as 26 minutes, when it can done within 5 minutes, even with some peak-hour traffic on Sydney Rd! For some reason they've used the departure times back to Macleod as the arrival times, rather than give accurate times for someone who may wish to change to another service.

Kind Regards


Craig

[RailwayBus]

The extended 561 trips were carrying a few passengers at the Coburg end each trip from my observations around 4pm. But anyone noticed the dodgy arrival times for 561 at Coburg? Weekday buses are given excessive time to travel about 1km from Pentridge estate timepoint to Coburg - one evening trip has as much as 26 minutes, when it can done within 5 minutes, even with some peak-hour traffic on Sydney Rd! For some reason they've used the departure times back to Macleod as the arrival times, rather than give accurate times for someone who may wish to change to another service.

This allows for late running.

[Craig]

But anyone noticed the dodgy arrival times for 561 at Coburg? Weekday buses are given excessive time to travel about 1km from Pentridge estate timepoint to Coburg - one evening trip has as much as 26 minutes, when it can done within 5 minutes, even with some peak-hour traffic on Sydney Rd! For some reason they've used the departure times back to Macleod as the arrival times, rather than give accurate times for someone who may wish to change to another service.

This allows for late running.

Allowing an extra 5 minutes would be fine, but allowing 10-20 extra minutes on top of the normal running time, as the case on several trips, is poor timetabling - for someone who doesn't know that this much fat has been put in, it makes the trip look like it takes much longer than reality, and they might not even bother with the bus.

It also means the journey planner can't give optimum results to connecting services.

Kind Regards


Craig

[Mike M]

More new timetables that are now available.

Ryans:

465 - Bus times 9 November 2008/Train times 8 May 2011 v.1 (Apr 11)

467 - Bus times 9 May 2011/Train times 8 May 2011 v.1 (Apr 11)

468 - Bus times 9 November 2008/Train times 8 May 2011 v.1 (Apr 11)

Moreland:

510/512 - Bus times 8 May 2011/Train times 8 May 2011 v.1 (Apr 11)

Dysons:

542 - Bus times 8 May 2011/Train times 8 May 2011 v.1 (Apr 11)

Cardinia:

840/924/925/926/927/928/929 - Bus times 20 December 2010/Train times 8 May 2011 v1. (Apr 11)

And finally all Cranbourne Transit timetables have been reprinted, although only the 896 Trainlink service has timetable changes.

789/790/791/797 - Bus times 10 October 2010/Train times 8 May 2011 v.1 (Mar 11)

795/796 - Bus times 10 October 2010/Train times 8 May 2011 v.1 (Mar 11). The 797 Cranbourne Town Service is now included in the 789/790/791 timetable.

799 - Bus times 19 October 2009/Train times 8 May 2011 v.1 (Mar 11)

891/894/895 - Bus times 20 December 2010 /train times 8 May 2011 v.1 (Mar 11)

892/893 - Bus times 6 June 2010/Train times 8 May 2011

896/897/898 - Bus times 9 May 2011/Train times 8 May 2011

[Mike M]

Sunbury Bus Service:

481/483/485/486/487/488/489 - Bus times 8 May 2011/Train times 8 May 2011 v.1 (Apr 11)

It's a shame that Tullamarine's route 500 timetable isn't included in this booklet to give a complete picture of Sunbury's bus services, after all Metlink pays for it.

[Bradley]

CDC Benders Bus & McHarry's Bus (Geelong).

Picked up at Geelong Station today (12 May):

Geelong bus timetables East Geelong (CDC Benders & McHarry's).
Route no. 45, 55, 61, 62 & 77.

Bellarine Peninsula bus timetables (McHarry's).
Route no. 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 80, 81, 82 & 83.

Geelong bus timetables South West Geelong & Torquay/Jan Juc (CDC Benders & McHarry's).
Route no. 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 34, 35, 36, 72, 73 & 74.

And

Geelong bus timetables North Geelong (CDC Benders & McHarry's).
Route no. 10, 11, 12, 30, 45, 50 & 51.

All new bus timetables with Viclink booklet DL format all effective 8 May, 2011 (with May 2011 says at the back).

Cheers

Bradley.

[dex]

The 500 isnt included in the Sunbury Bus lines booklet because Sunbury dont run it.

[Craig]

The 500 isnt included in the Sunbury Bus lines booklet because Sunbury dont run it.

This has been discussed before - in the late 80s/early 90s The Met used to produce timetable booklets for a region that showed all services, regardless of operator.

There is no reason that Metlink could not incorporate the 479 & 500 into the Sunbury booklet, with appropriate references that Tullamarine operate the 479 & 500.

At least the Craigieburn booklet now includes 544, something that should have been done previously.

Kind Regards


Craig

[Mike M]

The 500 isnt included in the Sunbury Bus lines booklet because Sunbury dont run it.

This has been discussed before - in the late 80s/early 90s The Met used to produce timetable booklets for a region that showed all services, regardless of operator.

There is no reason that Metlink could not incorporate the 479 & 500 into the Sunbury booklet, with appropriate references that Tullamarine operate the 479 & 500.

At least the Craigieburn booklet now includes 544, something that should have been done previously.

Kind Regards


Craig

Thank you Craig. At least someone understands what integrated transport is supposed to mean. After all the average punter couldn't care less which company runs their bus service as long as it turns up, and as I said before Metlink pays for the timetables, not the individual operators.

[krustyklo]

They tended to be released around 1992. There were some significant changes to timetable formats in that year with the area booklets, glossy booklets provided for some single routes and new rail timetables with a lot of information provided about connecting bus and tram services including maps, as well as a new style of presentation of timetables with fold out flaps showing what information was on that page. Very well done, shame it only lasted the year. The last ones I saw were the Doncaster / Templestowe series in December 1992, some other timetables from this time previously in a booklet were released in the standard gold and teal format (eg 254).

Some examples can be found at https://sites.google.com/site/melbbustt562/1-march-1992 for Mill Park, https://sites.google.com/site/melbbustt269/1-december-1992-timetable for the Box Hill routes to the north, https://sites.google.com/site/melbbustt254/1-march-1992-timetable for City to Northland / LaTrobe Uni and I also have some not yet online for Werribee, Melton (which also included the relevant Vline timetable for Melton) and a few other places.

However, even post The Met, at least one operator has produced all of the timetables for an area in the one booklet. Invicta produced this booklet: https://sites.google.com/site/melbbustt679/23-july-2001-timetable in 2001, and for some time after (and possibly before) which also included quite a few other local routes in the Croydon area, so it doesn't necessarily follow that you need a centralised organisation to take the lead, although it helps.

In this case it does seem a trifle silly if Metlink are paying for the timetable to stop short of making it genuinely useful by including the small number of other relevant routes, especially given the self contained nature of the services in Sunbury. In fact, if they were really on the ball, they would do as I mentioned with the Met Melton area timetable booklet from 1992 and include the Vline timetable as well.

[Craig]

They tended to be released around 1992. There were some significant changes to timetable formats in that year with the area booklets, glossy booklets provided for some single routes and new rail timetables with a lot of information provided about connecting bus and tram services including maps, as well as a new style of presentation of timetables with fold out flaps showing what information was on that page. Very well done, shame it only lasted the year. The last ones I saw were the Doncaster / Templestowe series in December 1992, some other timetables from this time previously in a booklet were released in the standard gold and teal format (eg 254).

I have a Werribee booklet in Met format from 1994. The next booklet I have for Werribee is for January 2002, when there were several new routes introduced (441, 442, 443, 444 & 440 extended by about 500% to become a large circular route). In the interim, standard DL timetables were issued for each route.

However, even post The Met, at least one operator has produced all of the timetables for an area in the one booklet. Invicta produced this booklet: https://sites.google.com/site/melbbustt679/23-july-2001-timetable in 2001, and for some time after (and possibly before) which also included quite a few other local routes in the Croydon area, so it doesn't necessarily follow that you need a centralised organisation to take the lead, although it helps.

The first edition of the Invicta booklet was issued in November 2000, interesting in that newsprint quality paper was used for the timetable pages, unlike later editons.

The last one was issued in November 2008, when it was decided to make the pages DL, and was as thick as a paper back novel.

Kind Regards


Craig

[Bradley]

Ventura Group.

Number of new & reprinted bus timetables (May, 2011) picked up at North Fiztroy depot today (16 May):

Ivanhoe Bus:
Route 526 Coburg to West Preston - 9 November, 2008, train times effective 8 May, 2011 v.1 (Apr 11).

US Buslines & Ventura (Croydon depot):
Route no:
688/694/696 - 9 May, 2011, train times effective 8 May, 2011 v.1 (Apr 11 & TT #25).
689 - 9 May, 2011, train times effective 8 May, 2011 v.1 (Apr 11 & TT #31).
690 - 9 May, 2011, train times effective 8 May, 2011 v.1 (Apr 11 & TT #32).

Ventura (South Oakleigh & Knox depot).
Route no.
701/704 - 6 June, 2010, train times effective 8 May, 2011 v.1 (Apr 11 & TT #34).
703 (Smartbus) - 6 June, 2010, train times effective 8 May, 2011 (Apr 11 & TT #27).
732 - November, 2007, train times effective 8 May, 2011, tram times effective 20 September, 2009 v.1 (Apr 11 & TT #44).
734 - 9 May, 2011, train times effective 8 May, 2011 v.1 (Mar 11 & TT #33).
735 - 9 May, 2011, train times effective 8 May, 2011 v.1 (Apr 11 & TT #24).
736 - November, 2008, train times effective 8 May, 2011 v.1 (Mar 11 & TT #36).
737 - 9 May, 2011, train times effective 8 May, 2011 v.1 (Apr 11 & TT #22).
742 - 9 May, 2011, train times effective 8 May, 2011 v.1 (Apr 11 & TT #29).
753/745 - 9 May, 2011, train times effective 8 May, 2011 v.1 (Apr 11 & #23).
754 - 9 May, 2011, train times effective 8 May, 2011 v.1 (Apr 11 & TT # 30).
755 - November, 2008, train times effective 8 May, 2011 v.1 (Apr 11 & TT #43).
766 - April, 2009, train times effective 8 May, 2011 v.1 (Apr 11 & TT #35).

Nationalbus & Ventura.
Route 281/767/768 - 4 October, 2010, train times effective 8 May, 2011 v.1 (Apr 11 & TT # 25).

Nationalbus.
Route no:
201/202/302 - 4 October, 2010, train times effective 8 May, 2011 v.1 (Apr 11 & TT #2).
270/271 - 9 May, 2011, train times effective 8 May, 2011 v.1 (Apr 11 & TT #7).
273/295 - 5 April, 2010, train times effective 8 May, 2011 v.1 (Apr 11 & TT #9).
279 - 5 April, 2010, train times effective 8 May, 2011 v.1 (Apr 11 & TT #8).
284/285 - 5 April, 2010, train times effective 8 May, 2011 v.1 (Apr 11 & TT #11).
286 - 5 April, 2010, train times effective 8 May, 2011 v.1 (Apr 11 & TT #17).
293 - 4 October, 2010, train times effective 8 May, 2011 v.1 (Apr 11 & TT #12).
366 - 9 May, 2011, train times effective 8 May, 2011 v.1 (Apr 11 & TT #19).
367 - 9 May, 2011, train times effective 8 May, 2011 v.1 (Apr 11 & TT #20).

Cheers

Bradley.

[Bradley]

Grenda Bus & Moorabbin Transit.

Picked up at Moorabbin Transit depot today (18 May):

Route 811 & 812 Dandenong to Brighton & 823 Southland SC to North Brighton new & reprinted bus timetables still effective 27 September, 2010 with Train times effective 8 May, 2011 v.1 (Apr 11).

And

Route 828 Berwick to Hampton new & reprinted bus timetables still effective 20 December, 2010 with Train times effective 8 May, 2011 v.1 (Apr 11).

Cheers

Bradley.

[Mike M]

Dyson reprints picked up from the Met Shop today:

534 - 10 October 2010/train times 8 May 2011 v.1 (Apr 11)

536 - 10 October 2010/train times 8 May 2011 v.1 (Apr 11)

538 - 3 September 2006/train times 8 May 2011 v.1 (Apr 11)

541 - 30 September 2007/train times 8 May 2011 v.1 (Apr 11)

[Bradley]

Picked up from Sita:

457 Melton to Melton Station

458 Kurunjang to Melton Station

459 Arnolds Creek to Melton Station

All are effective 8 May 2011 v.1 (Apr 11)

The new timetables for routes 453 & 455 & others that are being updated for train times only have been delayed in printing & are not expected for approx. 2 weeks.

Sita Bus.

Picked up at The Met Shop today (19 May):

Route no.
451 - Sunshine to Deer Park North
454 - Sunshine to Sunshine West
&
456 - Sunshine to Melton via Caroline Springs.

All effective both bus & train times 8 May, 2011 v.1 (Apr 11).

Route 453 & 455 bus timetables still not yet sighted.

Cheers

Bradley.