Priorities at this board

Irisbus Rider · Post by **Irisbus Rider** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 7:48 pm

Well, the purpose of the Lunch Room is for things that aren't transport related, but the rules still apply there. There must be some degree of order there. But, opposed to posts getting deleted; the posts ought to be placed in a specialised topic for that particular thing.

The Mod/Admin team have been placed on this board to keep some level of order, and we have to trust their judgement. I think some of you are just imitating the feeling of teenage rebellion against superiors. The current Admin/Mod team have been selected due to their good judgement. So, lets let them get on with their job, whilst striving to follow the rules.

Post by **T1200** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 8:03 pm

In the Lunch Room, a topic does NOT have to relate to transport but is still deemed offtopic if it has nothing to do with the thread title and lead post!

If you are having posts removed or edited by members of the administration on a regular basis, instead of turning around and attacking an administrator or moderator for doing their job of both protecting other (moreso younger) enthusiasts and removing the unfortunate rubbish from this forum, how about taking a think about the content of these posts in relation to Board Guidelines - which definitely still apply in the Lunch Room!

I also think it is time to stop attacking DroppedAndGone - however subtly you may try to do it. His area of moderation - the Lunch Room and Where Is It? - are two of the more intricate and highly-used sections of the board, and require a lot more scrutinisation of post content. He has always, and continues, to moderate The Lunch Room at a high standard, along with the other moderator transport1400.

If you have a legitimate complaint, instead of creating a bag-the-ATDB troll thread, contact a member of the administration for it to be thoroughly dealt with though the proper ATDB complaint review system.

In this way you are guaranteed that your issues will be dealt with and resolved in a thorough manner through due process that applies to all complaints.

If a post contravenes the Board Guidelines, then it will be removed. Plain and simple. An administrator or moderator can easily explain why a post has been removed more fully on request. A post is not, and never has been, removed on this board for any other reason except user request.

Therefore, you have no right to complain if a post has been removed. By posting on this board, you agree to be bound by the Board Guidelines.

Also note that members of the administration are not bound by the Guidelines to note when a post has been edited or removed. It is primarily the responsibility of the user to ensure that their posting is within the Guidelines!

Post by **Andrew** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 9:14 am

I've been reasonably quiet on this issue - but it's time for my say.

The board right now has 1835 members. Clearly not all of those post or even visit the board regularly - my guess is there's about 400-450 regular users who post and read the board every day or couple of days.

Of those 400 or so, the same few users are consistently involved in the various flare-ups that occur, while the other few hundred odd regular users continue to use and enjoy the board without a problem. Does that not say more about these few members than the majority of board users and the administration/moderator group?

It's time for that select few to smarten up or you'll be gone. I'm really sick of the childishness being displayed on this board. I am not a qualified child minder, nor do I want to be, however that's how it feels sometimes as we become embroiled in the most petty of arguments. The administrators and moderators give freely of their time and in some cases finances, to provide this medium for everyone to use and it works well most of the time. Those select few who wish to drag the board down to child care centre sandpit banter and fighting are requested to stop immediately or you'll be gone. Simple as that. If you cannot follow the board guidelines and continue to consistently breach them, you'll be gone. Simple as that. If people posting could use their common sense and read the guidelines thre would be no need for posts to be edited or removed. I've asked that all moderators/admins make a note when they do and I personally think this happens reasonably regularly.

We're all here to discuss our interest and share information - if you can just do that and follow the guidelines as the other hundreds of members can and do, there'll be no problem.

I don't like being negative, however, enough's enough. Leave your immaturity at the log in screen or you'll be gone.

If any member wishes to discuss this message or the board guidelines with me - send a PM.

Edit - thread unlocked

Wrong Way - Go Back · Post by **Wrong Way - Go Back** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 8:26 pm

T1200 wrote:Also note that members of the administration are not bound by the Guidelines to note when a post has been edited or removed.

Andrew wrote:I've asked that all moderators/admins make a note when they do and I personally think this happens reasonably regularly.

That's a positive step and I look forward to an explanation of deletions in the future.

Nexas · Post by **Nexas** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 8:47 pm

Ken wrote:Contrary to the opinion of many this board is not my entire life.

I highly doubt anyone thinks that Ken!

Ken wrote: Nexas, you do have a point regarding the editing of messages. In most cases admins (including myself) make a note in the relevant post when it is edited.

Generally, at least from my own observations, Fleet Lists and Andrew are the only ones who seem to do it.

Ken wrote:Andrew and I will try and ensure this is always done from now on.

Thank you.

B7RLE · Post by **B7RLE** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 9:31 pm

Just to inform you that The name in my signature is not a member off this board

Simes · Post by **Simes** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 11:25 pm

Andrew, hear hear!

Post by **T1200** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 11:32 pm

Yeah, good stuff Andrew.

Now can we all go get lives please?

This is a classic case of making a mountain out of a molehill...

Volvo B12BLEA · Post by **Volvo B12BLEA** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 11:37 pm

I thought this was locked?

T1248 · Post by **T1248** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 12:08 am

Andrew Unlocked it, he noted this at the bottom of his thread.

Windy · Post by **Windy** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 9:52 am

I think it is time that a harder line was applied at this forum. Standards have slipped over time, and through no fault of the Admins and Mods. Given the number of members has grown (seemingly exponentially), the amount of discussion that can be filtered by those at the helm is somewhat unrealistic. I know from my own experience adminning other forums. There do seem to be some serial pests and while they may be having fun, it is having a detrimental effect where most people are now filtering from this forum into the yahoogroups. It means that the younger members who could be mentored are not receiving this. Maybe a tougher stance will see this decline, or even nipped at the bud.

mjja · Post by **mjja** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 2:12 pm

I realise a lot of people have had their say on this matter, but perhaps I can add something useful. A lot of you probably know I'm a moderator of another forum, so I have a working knowledge of the problem.

A disinclination to submit to the authorities is (unfortunately) part of the Australian character. If someone feels like doing something, their first reaction on being told off for it is to say "Who says you can tell me what to do?". Slapping people down hard doesn't really solve the problem - it just creates an "us and them" mentality where the users resent the authority of the moderators.

A good way to prevent this is for the moderators to get to know lots of the members - so each member has at least one personal friend among the moderators. That destroys the "us and them" mentality and causes a moderator's message to be taken in the vein it's intended.

That's basically all I want to say. Other people have mentioned things like posts disappearing without the poster being notified, but that's been covered already. All I have to say on the subject is, look at it from the other person's perspective. How will they react? How do you want them to react? Banning people is no fun (although it has to be done in some cases) so give people every chance to reform themselves rather than assuming the worst about them.

(Anyone want a soapbox? I'm finished with this one.

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Andrew21 · Post by **Andrew21** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 12:34 am

Windy wrote:I know from my own experience adminning other forums. There do seem to be some serial pests and while they may be having fun, it is having a detrimental effect where most people are now filtering from this forum into the yahoogroups. It means that the younger members who could be mentored are not receiving this. Maybe a tougher stance will see this decline, or even nipped at the bud.

I hope you include yourself as a serial pest Windy. You've been constantly stirring the pot for the last six months. May I remind you (and others) of Widget, the young guy from Brisbane. Windy constantly made fun of his Collaroy comment and other members from this board were harrassing him via MSN. I think the younger generation should be mentored. I think a lot of us younger guys can learn a lot from those with more experience under their belts. I don't think constant criticism and ridicule are going to help the situation. While the admins aren't perfect, I think that they do an excellent job. I think we should try and make their job easier by abiding by the guidelines and encouraging others to do the same.

Windy · Post by **Windy** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 12:46 am

I totally see myself as a pest. I was tempted to put a comment about pot calling the kettle black, but yeah...

My post was not to show to everyone that I am not a pest, but that the changes in the forum will likely see some discipline which can set an example to the younger members. However, when we had people like Widget/Choirs of Angels/whatever-else-he-called-himself who kept rejoining the forum, and getting re-banned, it got a bit beyond a joke after a while.

member 1423 · Post by **member 1423** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 12:59 am

Windy wrote:However, when we had people like Widget/Choirs of Angels/whatever-else-he-called-himself who kept rejoining the forum, and getting re-banned, it got a bit beyond a joke after a while.

Again, I am all for supporting up and coming enthusiasts, but I'll have to agree with Windy. Some of these people MAY be interested in transport, but the way they act online can turn alot of people off really quickly.

How hard is it to use good grammar, spell words out in full and use correct spelling (except for their, there and they're - I couldn't give a rats about that). Not sure on a word? Pump it into MS Word like I do and see if you are correct.

Simes · Post by **Simes** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 1:14 am

Andrew21 wrote: I hope you include yourself as a serial pest Windy. You've been constantly stirring the pot for the last six months. May I remind you (and others) of Widget, the young guy from Brisbane. Windy constantly made fun of his Collaroy comment and other members from this board were harrassing him via MSN. I think the younger generation should be mentored. I think a lot of us younger guys can learn a lot from those with more experience under their belts. I don't think constant criticism and ridicule are going to help the situation. While the admins aren't perfect, I think that they do an excellent job. I think we should try and make their job easier by abiding by the guidelines and encouraging others to do the same.

I am all for the up and coming younger generation. I was once in that position myself. Indeed I used to say some rather stupid things and I was "put in my place" many a time, rightly or wrongly. Did I throw a handbag and run away? Obviously not

Now, using my experience and reading some of the tripe that gets posted here - I have my own method, give a person a chance to "settle in" ask silly questions etc etc. But after a while they need to be told - if they don't listen to the "community" then, what do you expect?

tbc1983_ · Post by **tbc1983_** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 5:28 pm

BusPicsQLD wrote: How hard is it to use good grammar, spell words out in full and use correct spelling (except for their, there and they're - I couldn't give a rats about that). Not sure on a word? Pump it into MS Word like I do and see if you are correct.

That reminds me of an American online forum where the quality of the posting is so poor, sometimes, that you virtually need a Retard English - Proper English dictionary...
I agree with the aforementioned point, but believe me, the grammar, punctutation and spelling are quite good on here compared with other places, with the odd one ore two mistakes on here.

Reminds me of a phrase: English mine, good very!

Cheers!

Wrong Way - Go Back · Post by **Wrong Way - Go Back** » Sun Mar 18, 2007 1:17 am

tbc1983 wrote:punctutation
with the odd one ore two mistakes!

Yep. I can count two.

tbc1983_ · Post by **tbc1983_** » Sun Mar 18, 2007 2:37 pm

Wrong Way - Go Back wrote:
tbc1983 wrote:punctutation
with the odd one ore two mistakes!
Yep. I can count two.

I plead guilty!

Cheers!

TA3001 · Post by **TA3001** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 11:11 pm

Speaking of board priorities, is it possible to have some kind of edit feature added to this board?

It's annoying that there isn't one when you want to add something minor or correct a typo in your post