20 Years Since Liverpool-Parramatta Transitway Commenced

[Glen]

Do the diesels stay on the job all day?

Many do, with driver changeovers at Smithfield Depot.

[Stu]

While the Mercedes-Benz O-405NH were touted as being environmentally friendly, they had to be refueled at Ryde depot owing to the lack of CNG facilities in the west.

Refuelling also occurred at Kingsgrove Depot. Mechanical servicing was conducted at Ryde Depot and continued that way when the VOLVO B12BLE diesel buses replaced the Mercedes gas buses.

[Special_K]

Twenty years on, the LPT remains as and end to end linear service. A number of other routes share the last road portion into Parramatta, while other routes use portions of the T-way to converge on Prairiewood and Bonnyrigg.

This is in contrast to the North-West T-way, where the more direct north-south corridor allows for a network of routes to branch off the T-way to several destinations.Some M2 Motorway routes also use parts of this T-way.

[Campbelltown busboy]

Twenty years on, the LPT remains as and end to end linear service. A number of other routes share the last road portion into Parramatta, while other routes use portions of the T-way to converge on Prairiewood and Bonnyrigg.

This is in contrast to the North-West T-way, where the more direct north-south corridor allows for a network of routes to branch off the T-way to several destinations.Some M2 Motorway routes also use parts of this T-way.

The issue with the Parramatta-Liverpool T way is the lack of side street access onto the transit way

[Fleet Lists]

Why is more side street access required?

[BanksfielderIdiot823]

Twenty years on, the LPT remains as and end to end linear service. A number of other routes share the last road portion into Parramatta, while other routes use portions of the T-way to converge on Prairiewood and Bonnyrigg.

This is in contrast to the North-West T-way, where the more direct north-south corridor allows for a network of routes to branch off the T-way to several destinations.Some M2 Motorway routes also use parts of this T-way.

The issue with the Parramatta-Liverpool T way is the lack of side street access onto the transit way

Why is more side street access required?

None is required at all because there is no lack of side street access, and this is a complete non-issue.

Much of the Fairfield region’s bus routes that use Prairie and Bonny stations are mainly east-west routes that only ever need to use the two stations because they’re hubs in those suburbs and they connect to their main shopping centres of Stockland and Bonnyrigg Plaza respectively, and the T-Way allows those routes to do so without requiring a whole separate bus interchange.

Those two stations are larger so that they can accommodate the extra services and the extra passengers, while Orphan School, St Johns and Clear Paddock are not, because they don’t need to. The sole service of the T80 is all that’s needed for those three.

[Campbelltown busboy]

Brickmakers has been a nothing stop since Liverpool council moved out of their old Hoxton Park road building which the land the old council building was on is now the site of the Liverpool ambulance station

[BanksfielderIdiot823]

But what you’re forgetting is that the T80 isn’t only used by workers, students and general commuters travelling between hubs, it’s also used by residents to go to the shops or visit somewhere or someone (particularly those residents who either don’t drive/have a car or are elderly and therefore limited in mobility), visitors (some of which would find it easier to know to catch the T80 instead of one of the other R3 routes), people on a day off who just want a ride, and general commuters that use those smaller T-Way stops. A stop doesn’t always need to have some nearby facility or attraction to exist.

I used to use Brickmakers to get to my brother’s place when he was living in Lurnea; it was the closest T-Way stop. Like I told my Dad who normally drives past a Red Rooster nearly every time it’s empty when it’s during working time, just because it looks empty doesn’t mean it is. Come at the right time and you’ll see it being put to use. Think Leightonfield Station on the Banko rail line, it’s empty for a great deal of the day, but there’s a bunch of factories nearby, and the workers are up and about during peak.

[tonyp]

The T Way will also gain an additional function when the West Metro is extended to WSA. There will almost certainly be an interchange at Wetherill Park and maybe somewhere else if the metro touches on the T Way elsewhere. This will revolutionise the ease of connections to the airport, Parramatta and Sydney - and ultimately Macarthur.

[Campbelltown busboy]

The T Way will also gain an additional function when the West Metro is extended to WSA. There will almost certainly be an interchange at Wetherill Park and maybe somewhere else if the metro touches on the T Way elsewhere. This will revolutionise the ease of connections to the airport, Parramatta and Sydney - and ultimately Macarthur.

I’ve seen comments on Facebook posts on the western Sydney airport from people that it’s a good idea for there to be a direct link between WSA and Kingsford Smith airport Mascot via Leppington Glenfeild and the East Hills line.

The Macarthur line to WSA would have to be fully underground

[tonyp]

I’ve seen comments on Facebook posts on the western Sydney airport from people that it’s a good idea for there to be a direct link between WSA and Kingsford Smith airport Mascot via Leppington Glenfeild and the East Hills line.

The Macarthur line to WSA would have to be fully underground

The studies for WSA found that there would be a very low demand for travel between the two airports because ultimately they won't be interdependent. In any case, travel between them will still be perfectly possible with interchange at Glenfield.

[boronia]

I'm sure some enterprising bus/coach operator(s) would start up direct WSA-KSA express shuttles. These door-to-door services in a comfortable coach would be more attractive to passengers than an all stops commuter train, perhaps with a change of line thrown in.

[boronia]

I'm sure some enterprising bus/coach operator(s) would start up direct WSA-KSA express shuttles. These door-to-door services in a comfortable coach would be more attractive to passengers than an all stops commuter train, perhaps with a change of line thrown in.

If the "anti-competitive" exemption for KSA shuttle buses is made at WSA there would be a market for shuttles to other areas.

[Special_K]

The opening T80 provided weekly: 775 weekday trips and 240 weekend trips

Today's T80 timetable provides weekly: 1280 weekday trips and 268 weekend trips

The introduction of multiple weekday short runners plus increasing the weekday off-peak frequency to 10 minutes has resulted in a 65% increase in weekday trips over a 20 year period

Weekend services have improved from a base 20 to a 15 min day time frequency so has improved by almost 12% in the last two decades.

Of course, a patronage comparison would most likely show that boardings have increased well above the service improvement percentage.