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BUS ROUTES TO BE SCRAPPED IN DRIVE FOR SAVINGS

Postby I Follow PAFC » Tue Sep 04, 2018 4:48 pm

BUS routes and train services with low patronage will be scrapped in the State Government’s efficiency drive. In return, commuters will get mobile phone charging points at railway stations.

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Re: bus routes to close

Postby jibb » Tue Sep 04, 2018 4:53 pm

What DPTI plan to do is to sit down with the 2 Bus Contractors and review poorly patronised services or those that duplicate or operate close to existing services.
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Re: BUS ROUTES TO BE SCRAPPED IN DRIVE FOR SAVINGS

Postby Tim Williams » Wed Sep 05, 2018 8:33 am

I wonder if the Airport Express will be one for the chop? Maybe it is seen as a "prestige" route and be exempted from the review.

Though should it be cut then one wonders what would happen to 1790 (Bustech CDI) - perhaps relocate to Mount Barker to join the other decker???
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Re: BUS ROUTES TO BE SCRAPPED IN DRIVE FOR SAVINGS

Postby jibb » Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:25 pm

From The Advertiser tonight, those responsible for finding savings have been told to;-
*Identify routes which are barely used and could disappear completely
*Compare and contrast Bus routes with tram and train lines that follow a similar path and could be providing commuters with multiple means of getting to the same location
*Reorganising timetables on routes where buses are often half empty
*Co-ordinating timetables between train,tram and bus services with the aim of keeping all 3,but staggering their availability times
*Night time bus patronage reviewed to determine if some late-night services are necessary
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Re: BUS ROUTES TO BE SCRAPPED IN DRIVE FOR SAVINGS

Postby Skexis » Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:18 pm

I could give them a few
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Re: BUS ROUTES TO BE SCRAPPED IN DRIVE FOR SAVINGS

Postby jibb » Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:35 pm

I think some school bus services need reviewing. For example in the afternoon on Brighton Road 3 school buses line up for schoolchildren from Sacred Heart College going to Marion Centre.
Often the 3rd bus is almost empty,and the other 2 not full. I am sure there are other examples.
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Re: BUS ROUTES TO BE SCRAPPED IN DRIVE FOR SAVINGS

Postby bigrobbo » Thu Sep 06, 2018 10:07 am

So they would look at routes like the 224, which competes or compliments (depends on your views) the train between Mawson Lakes and Salisbury?

The 263/265 services along Anzac Highway? They were cut on nights and weekends (I think) and returned. And made a Go Zone.

Does anybody remember the service cut backs of the 90s which decimated public transport and discouraged the use of public transport? I think the surviving remnant of that is the 443. From memory, that used to run all day Sunday!!

I can understand that you would want to cut routes that are not being used.

But, you are offering a public service. There are people that struggle to get to their closest bus stop. They won’t be able to walk the extra 500m or so to another service.


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Re: BUS ROUTES TO BE SCRAPPED IN DRIVE FOR SAVINGS

Postby Eagle Eye » Thu Sep 06, 2018 10:44 am

There are plenty of 721F, 721X, T721 & T721X services in the peaks (especially the evening) that only carry half a dozen or so people - some even less!
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Re: BUS ROUTES TO BE SCRAPPED IN DRIVE FOR SAVINGS

Postby Eurostar » Thu Sep 06, 2018 10:57 am

bigrobbo wrote:So they would look at routes like the 224, which competes or compliments (depends on your views) the train between Mawson Lakes and Salisbury?

The 263/265 services along Anzac Highway? They were cut on nights and weekends (I think) and returned. And made a Go Zone.

Does anybody remember the service cut backs of the 90s which decimated public transport and discouraged the use of public transport? I think the surviving remnant of that is the 443. From memory, that used to run all day Sunday!!

I can understand that you would want to cut routes that are not being used.

But, you are offering a public service. There are people that struggle to get to their closest bus stop. They won’t be able to walk the extra 500m or so to another service.


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Extend the 645 and 646 to Plympton Tram Stop via the 245/248 route, cut 245 and 248.

Bring back the 402 at night to replace the 400 and 401.

Combine the 461 and 462 into one route.
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Re: BUS ROUTES TO BE SCRAPPED IN DRIVE FOR SAVINGS

Postby I Follow PAFC » Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:48 pm

THE BUS ROUTES MOST LIKELY TO BE CUT
STATE BUDGET TRANSPORT Department figures have revealed the least used of Adelaide’s bus routes, which could face the axe in State Budget cuts.

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Re: BUS ROUTES TO BE SCRAPPED IN DRIVE FOR SAVINGS

Postby torrens117 » Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:55 pm

Can someone please list the routes from the article. Cannot access the news site.
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Re: BUS ROUTES TO BE SCRAPPED IN DRIVE FOR SAVINGS

Postby I Follow PAFC » Thu Sep 06, 2018 7:01 pm

torrens117 wrote:Can someone please list the routes from the article. Cannot access the news site.


Have no idea why but try the link from the adelaidenow.com.au and it didn't work but the link from facebook did.

Routes with the least passengers

600S After Midnight Saturday PM - Sunday AM Marion Centre Interchange to City

HL1 Hahndorf to Mt Barker Township Loop

N10 After Midnight Saturday PM - Sunday AM Marion Centre Interchange to City

HL2 Hahndorf to Mt Barker Township Loop Friday only

725A Noarlunga Centre Interchange to Old Reynella Interchange

866R Stirling to Crafers

839R Mount Barker West Clockwise Loop Service

721L Noarlunga Centre Interchange to Lonsdale Depot

557S Paradise Interchange to St Agnes

745C Paradise Interchange to St Agnes

747B Colonnades Centre Interchange to Seaford Rise

415H Salisbury Interchange to Salisbury Heights

371 West Lakes Centre Interchange Clockwise Loop

852L Langhorne Creek to Cornerstone College

J7M West Lakes Centre Interchange / Marion Centre Interchange to Camden.

452W Munno Para Centre Interchange to Elizabeth West

752 McLaren Flat to McLaren Vale

451A Munno Para to Andrews Farm

591A Golden Grove Interchange to Greenwith

* Source: The Advertiser analysis of Transport Department patronage figures.
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Re: BUS ROUTES TO BE SCRAPPED IN DRIVE FOR SAVINGS

Postby jibb » Thu Sep 06, 2018 7:14 pm

Mistakes;-
600S After Midnight Saturday --Marion to City does not exist.600s operates night time trip 955pm Blackwood to Sturt Road.

745c Does not operate from Paradise Interchange to St Agnes--it is a Southern Route.
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Re: BUS ROUTES TO BE SCRAPPED IN DRIVE FOR SAVINGS

Postby Lt. Commander Data » Thu Sep 06, 2018 8:02 pm

Notably a number of the routes mentioned are late evening shortworkings which appear to exist only as a means to get a bus back to depot.

852L/HL1/HL2 all use country fares, so would show low patronage on the Metrocard system while still retaining decent passenger numbers. Can't speak for the HL1/2, but the 852L is certainly used by students.

People are always up in arms about service cuts, but if a route is running to an area with high car ownership and no one is using it why should it be retained? Purely for the so called "social benefit", where it serves no benefit as no one uses it? Money has to be saved somewhere, it's a finite resource. Yes low-patronised routes such as the 752 shouldn't be cut all together, but should be investigated to perhaps be peak only, or midday only if that's what the community want. Or perhaps routes with very high peak frequencies that run half-empty should be cut, thus maximising the use of current resources. Yes, maybe one day they will need more services, but if they aren't being used now why should they be maintained?

As for train/tram/bus competition, it should be looked at. Our train lines are rather inconveniently placed as far as where people want to actually go. Westfield Marion, Colonnades, Arndale, FMC, QEH, LMH, and countless other passenger generators are nearish to train lines, but not near enough to be convenient. Yes this shouldn't have been allowed to happen, but it can't change now. So hence you end up with 224/228/150/721/254/etc following the trainlines' basic route, but servicing the centres where the trains can't. Perhaps they should be looked at being made into feeder routes, but passengers hate transferring. Especially in Adelaide. It's a bit of a Catch 22. And that's before even mentioning access to different services in the CBD

My enthusiast perspective tells me that there should be major service increases everywhere so that everyone everywhere can have frequent services. However my logical, unbiased perspective says that some cuts should be made to routes that aren't being used. Should every route run to a profit? Of course not, but should routes which aren't even offering a community service be retained?

It's an interesting theoretical discussion, who can say what the outcome will be. In any case, the routes mentioned were, as The Advertiser said, only their analysis of low-patronised routes, and not routes the DPTI highlighted.
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Re: BUS ROUTES TO BE SCRAPPED IN DRIVE FOR SAVINGS

Postby jibb » Thu Sep 06, 2018 8:51 pm

These routes alone will not give the Government the savings they are looking for. They are no doubt going to look at other routes.
Another area,although minor is Christmas Day/Good Friday- these need a separate timetable as the useage on these days is extremely small and I would suggest you could reduce frequencies by 1/2 on most services(and probably cut out some small ones).
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Re: BUS ROUTES TO BE SCRAPPED IN DRIVE FOR SAVINGS

Postby Skexis » Thu Sep 06, 2018 9:19 pm

Lt. Commander Data wrote:Westfield Marion, Colonnades, Arndale, FMC, QEH, LMH, and countless other passenger generators are nearish to train lines, but not near enough to be convenient.

How much closer to Colonnades should NCI be to make it convenient? It's a three minute walk from the station to the doorway.

Re the 725A - wonder why it has that route number given it's no different to any other 725.
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Re: BUS ROUTES TO BE SCRAPPED IN DRIVE FOR SAVINGS

Postby Route 506 » Fri Sep 07, 2018 2:32 pm

Does anybody remember the service cut backs of the 90s which decimated public transport and discouraged the use of public transport? I think the surviving remnant of that is the 443. From memory, that used to run all day Sunday!!

Yes! I remember these dark days when so many one way loops were brought in for Night, Sunday & Public Holidays - Several come to mind - 140 to cover 141/142, 178 to cover 176/177/179, 297 to cover 241/296, 402 as mentioned on here already, 504 replacing 505/506, 509, 546... the list goes on. I hope we don't revisit these dark days again.

I get that if services are running near empty then buses need to be used elsewhere, but hopefully it's not just a massive cull.

Looking at the list given a lot of them are late evening services where they are often the last service i.e. 415H, 451A, 557S, 721L. I'm also not sure what the difference is between 725A and 725 unless 725A has no connections?

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Re: BUS ROUTES TO BE SCRAPPED IN DRIVE FOR SAVINGS

Postby Eagle Eye » Fri Sep 07, 2018 4:26 pm

725 timetable wrote:725A - terminates at Old Reynella Interchange. Does not connect to city.

If gunzels on here don't read the timetables then what hope do the general public have?!
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Re: BUS ROUTES TO BE SCRAPPED IN DRIVE FOR SAVINGS

Postby homer9000 » Sat Sep 08, 2018 10:23 am

if it was allowed extend the 545 to salisbury to cover the 415 and 415V path but as a day round service 7 days a week.selected services extend onto the city BEYOND Tea Tree Plaza and the same applies on the return journey.i have been on the 415 back in the serco days and sometimes patronage when there were no school students was such a joke.
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Re: BUS ROUTES TO BE SCRAPPED IN DRIVE FOR SAVINGS

Postby Skexis » Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:40 pm

Eagle Eye wrote:
725 timetable wrote:725A - terminates at Old Reynella Interchange. Does not connect to city.

If gunzels on here don't read the timetables then what hope do the general public have?!

All up 725's terminate at ORI, connection or not. Anyway I reckon I could easily save 30+ hours per day from the current timetables whilst still improving the services provided.
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Re: BUS ROUTES TO BE SCRAPPED IN DRIVE FOR SAVINGS

Postby Route 506 » Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:09 pm

All up 725's terminate at ORI, connection or not. Anyway I reckon I could easily save 30+ hours per day from the current timetables whilst still improving the services provided.[/quote]

Well you wouldn't be someone the new Government would be keen on then, if you are actually looking at improving services, rather than cutting and saving! :D :lol:

On a serious note, would be interested to hear some of your ideas/suggestions?
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Re: BUS ROUTES TO BE SCRAPPED IN DRIVE FOR SAVINGS

Postby TA3001 » Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:58 pm

Skexis wrote:All up 725's terminate at ORI, connection or not. Anyway I reckon I could easily save 30+ hours per day from the current timetables whilst still improving the services provided.


As in deducting time? Is it even possible for an AdMet service to have excess time in the schedule, even when it's an inbound H1 at 11PM with the same running time it has at 7:45AM? This would really put the speed limit drivers to the test...
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Re: BUS ROUTES TO BE SCRAPPED IN DRIVE FOR SAVINGS

Postby Skexis » Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:44 pm

Not deducting time per se even though a lot of routes have surplus time allotted to them as it then becomes more likely a service will run late during periods of heavy traffic. It's more like aggregating and scrapping with a bit of re-routing. It's all conjecture anyway as I see no reason to share info that I will receive no recognition or reward for. That figure was just the Outer South by the way.
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Re: BUS ROUTES TO BE SCRAPPED IN DRIVE FOR SAVINGS

Postby I Follow PAFC » Sat Sep 15, 2018 11:53 pm

The bus rides that are costing taxpayers $100 a head.

EXCLUSIVE TAXPAYERS are paying at least $100 a passenger on about 10 South Australian bus services as the State Government prepares to cut its least patronised routes.

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Re: BUS ROUTES TO BE SCRAPPED IN DRIVE FOR SAVINGS

Postby nscaler69 » Sun Sep 16, 2018 11:35 am

Found a quirk in the link that worked.
TAXPAYERS are paying at least $100 a passenger on about 10 South Australian bus services as the State Government prepares to cut its least patronised routes.

Almost 100 services cost more than $50 a passenger to operate, with the Government only recouping 20-25 per cent of its bus expenditure in fare revenue across all services.

The Government will not reveal exactly which routes are the most expensive until it determines which ones it will discontinue, while specific costs have been deemed commercial in confidence because of a tender for bus services going out next year.

The figures follow The Advertiser’sanalysis of Transport Department data pinpointing 19 bus routes with few passengers, the majority of which run in the Adelaide Hills.

Adelaide Hills Mayor Bill Spragg, said the routes running at a surplus should subsidise those running at a loss.

Transport Minister Stephan Knoll said the figures highlighted the “financial mess” left by the former Labor government that he had been left to clean up.

“We’re seeking to protect South Australian taxpayers given some services operate at a significant cost to the taxpayer,” Mr Knoll said.

The Government will aim to save $1.1 million this financial year by cutting some routes and adjusting others, with that savings target to swell to $14.8 million per year from 2019-20.

The bus route review will be completed by the yet to be established South Australian Public Transport Authority, which Mr Knoll has said is crucial to providing a “more modern and innovative public transport network”.

Mr Knoll said the efficiencies would be accompanied by investments in public transport where there was the “greatest need” for more or better services.

“We will invest more in areas where more capacity is needed as we’ve already done through the Gawler line electrification project and Flinders Link,” he said.

“We’re also delivering public transport fare reductions, the introduction of maximum 30 minute train frequency on all lines, as well as a host of local infrastructure upgrades.”

Opposition Leader Peter Malinauskas said earlier this month that the public transport cuts would “hurt everyday South Australians”.

“These cuts will be a blow to the many South Australians who rely on public transport to get to work, medical appointments, school, university and to visit family and friends,” he said.

“These cuts will have a massive impact to commuters across metropolitan Adelaide — from the shift worker who relies on his late-night buses to get home from work, to the nurse who relies on public transport to get her to a hospital for her early morning shift.”
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