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Re: [Nov/Dec 2017] SA Transport observations

Postby Eagle Eye » Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:57 am

Eurostar wrote:I was driving along hewittson road (road to Elizabeth depot) in front was a Torrens Transit MAN 11.190 bus # 1714 , it turned into depot. It had J1X on back desto

That may have been the one I saw on a 225X yesterday, not 1704.

TA3001 wrote:That would have been an interesting photo opportunity.

The reasons being that it's unusual for a non hills Southlink vehicle not to get renumbered into the 2000 range (obviously due to requirements). Also, Southlink midis are forbidden from doing city runs.

Did it have Southlink listed on the side above the door?

It was showing a handwritten 225X on an A4 piece of paper stuck on the front windscreen. Pretty sure it still showed Torrens Transit above the driver's window.
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Re: [Nov/Dec 2017] SA Transport observations

Postby route 228 » Wed Nov 22, 2017 3:21 pm

I guess any Bus will Do R804 is doing the 400 from Elizabeth Station to Salisbury North, Wednesday Afternoon.
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Re: [Nov/Dec 2017] SA Transport observations

Postby bigrobbo » Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:13 pm

Route 506 wrote:Whilst waiting for my bus this morning which is often a CNG SL202, I had the pleasant surprise of SL202 Diesel 444 arriving. A lucky break given the few remaining SL202 diesels, and with 443 gone last week, it was probably the last trip I'll get on one! It still seemed to be running as well as ever!


444 was out and about yesterday morning. I did a 239 out of the city to Churchill Centre on it. It was a great birthday present!

The 9:17am 361 from Port Adelaide this morning was good old 612. I thought those buses came out early and were put to bed around 9ish!
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Re: [Nov/Dec 2017] SA Transport observations

Postby jibb » Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:23 pm

bigrobbo wrote:
Route 506 wrote:Whilst waiting for my bus this morning which is often a CNG SL202, I had the pleasant surprise of SL202 Diesel 444 arriving. A lucky break given the few remaining SL202 diesels, and with 443 gone last week, it was probably the last trip I'll get on one! It still seemed to be running as well as ever!


444 was out and about yesterday morning. I did a 239 out of the city to Churchill Centre on it. It was a great birthday present!

The 9:17am 361 from Port Adelaide this morning was good old 612. I thought those buses came out early and were put to bed around 9ish!

With St Agnes and Wingfield depots dong Mawson Lakes trips(ML2) 612 and 613 are doing more trips including City runs,plus Wingfield has Midis 118 and 119.
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Re: [Nov/Dec 2017] SA Transport observations

Postby busrider » Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:16 pm

Midis 1710 and 1720, along with 2107 have been doing Gawler runs today.
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Re: [Nov/Dec 2017] SA Transport observations

Postby bigrobbo » Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:32 pm

Just spotted 438 on a 288S on Valetta Rd


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Re: [Nov/Dec 2017] SA Transport observations

Postby homer9000 » Thu Nov 23, 2017 7:13 am

i was most surprised to see a long bus of southlink used on a 560 some weeks back now.you normally don't see many of those.in fact the last time i ever saw 560's operated by articulated buses was back in the serco days of 2000-2005 when they took over the st agnes depot and way before that as a kid/teen in the 90's coming home from ttp as a kid initially in the school holidays but later also after switching to a north eastern area to see out my high school years i remember the 4:15pm 560 ttp to elizabeth and this even existed after the tl3 came onto the scene as a mercedes numbered 1545 to 1595 or a man numbered 1946 to 1953.they switched from 1995 to volvo b59's and then back to short mercs.
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Re: [Nov/Dec 2017] SA Transport observations

Postby Eurostar » Thu Nov 23, 2017 6:41 pm

homer9000 wrote:i was most surprised to see a long bus of southlink used on a 560 some weeks back now.you normally don't see many of those.in fact the last time i ever saw 560's operated by articulated buses was back in the serco days of 2000-2005 when they took over the st agnes depot and way before that as a kid/teen in the 90's coming home from ttp as a kid initially in the school holidays but later also after switching to a north eastern area to see out my high school years i remember the 4:15pm 560 ttp to elizabeth and this even existed after the tl3 came onto the scene as a mercedes numbered 1545 to 1595 or a man numbered 1946 to 1953.they switched from 1995 to volvo b59's and then back to short mercs.
I remember before the MAN artics were used on rail subs that sometimes they were used on 560s
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Re: [Nov/Dec 2017] SA Transport observations

Postby TA3001 » Thu Nov 23, 2017 6:52 pm

It's possible that 1964 is showing up on Transit Times as doing a 98C. I only saw it in person, so will have to confirm this.
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Re: [Nov/Dec 2017] SA Transport observations

Postby Route 506 » Fri Nov 24, 2017 1:23 pm

homer9000 wrote:i was most surprised to see a long bus of southlink used on a 560 some weeks back now.you normally don't see many of those.in fact the last time i ever saw 560's operated by articulated buses was back in the serco days of 2000-2005 when they took over the st agnes depot and way before that as a kid/teen in the 90's coming home from ttp as a kid initially in the school holidays but later also after switching to a north eastern area to see out my high school years i remember the 4:15pm 560 ttp to elizabeth and this even existed after the tl3 came onto the scene as a mercedes numbered 1545 to 1595 or a man numbered 1946 to 1953.they switched from 1995 to volvo b59's and then back to short mercs.


I did see 2852 doing a 560 on a Sunday a few weeks back, which I must admit was a bit of a surprise. Every so often during the week you may spot an artic on the 560 but weekends are very rare.
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Route 506 wrote:Whilst waiting for my bus this morning which is often a CNG SL202, I had the pleasant surprise of SL202 Diesel 444 arriving. A lucky break given the few remaining SL202 diesels, and with 443 gone last week, it was probably the last trip I'll get on one! It still seemed to be running as well as ever!


444 was out and about yesterday morning. I did a 239 out of the city to Churchill Centre on it. It was a great birthday present!

The 9:17am 361 from Port Adelaide this morning was good old 612. I thought those buses came out early and were put to bed around 9ish!


I think most days the 361 leaving TTP at approx. 8:30am is either 612 or 613, which would obviously form the 9:17am return trip from Port Adelaide.

On another note, enjoying the return (however long it lasts) of the Midis. Got a ride on 122 this morning.

Interesting if 1714 is now doing rail subs. I could be wrong, but wasn't that bus along with 1711 and 1712 loaned to various locations (I know 1711 was in Port Pirie), and 1712 & 1714 were either Murray Bridge or Mt Gambier respectively?
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Re: [Nov/Dec 2017] SA Transport observations

Postby jibb » Fri Nov 24, 2017 1:51 pm

1714 is in fact on rail subs.
Wondering if some of the Midis at Morphettville Depot will stay to cover loss of some non-O-Bahn buses to St Agnes depot for conversion to O-Bahn buses to cover extra services when new timetables come into operation?
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Re: [Nov/Dec 2017] SA Transport observations

Postby Skexis » Fri Nov 24, 2017 2:01 pm

Stop AA in King William Rd has been moved about 50m nearer North Terrace and now sports a Bus Layover sign.
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Re: [Nov/Dec 2017] SA Transport observations

Postby Diesel_MAN » Fri Nov 24, 2017 4:59 pm

Skexis wrote:Stop AA in King William Rd has been moved about 50m nearer North Terrace and now sports a Bus Layover sign.

Does that mean in-service buses won't be stopping there while for much longer? It's a somewhat popular stop for passengers alighting at certain times of day.
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Re: [Nov/Dec 2017] SA Transport observations

Postby TT » Fri Nov 24, 2017 7:11 pm

AA is a very popular stop for Adelaide Uni students, walking from that stop along Victoria Drive or across the Torrens Parade ground to get to the Science buildings in the lower section of the uni, near corner of Kintore Avenue and Victoria Drive.
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Re: [Nov/Dec 2017] SA Transport observations

Postby Skexis » Fri Nov 24, 2017 7:20 pm

There is a closure sign on the stop but I didn't read it.
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Re: [Nov/Dec 2017] SA Transport observations

Postby Eagle Eye » Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:09 pm

jibb wrote:1714 is in fact on rail subs.
Wondering if some of the Midis at Morphettville Depot will stay to cover loss of some non-O-Bahn buses to St Agnes depot for conversion to O-Bahn buses to cover extra services when new timetables come into operation?

1714 is not doing rail subs - it is operating regular services to release other buses onto rail subs.
The Midis are only in service for the duration of the rail closure.
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Re: [Nov/Dec 2017] SA Transport observations

Postby TT » Sun Nov 26, 2017 6:42 pm

In service buses still servicing stop AA in King Wm St, it’s jyst shifted slightly further north temporarily.
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Re: [Nov/Dec 2017] SA Transport observations

Postby Skexis » Sun Nov 26, 2017 7:48 pm

They'll have a job if it's being used as a layover zone.

It would appear, once again, that buses are the last thing considered by anyone involved in planning road infrastructure. We're always being told we can't do this or we can't layover there and it's getting pretty boring. Just for once I'd like to see buses given priority in something. There again the Govt don't give a crap as we're privatised and therefore not anything they need to take care of or worry about as there's always a fine or penalty they can impose if their wish list isn't fully met.
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Re: [Nov/Dec 2017] SA Transport observations

Postby TA3001 » Sun Nov 26, 2017 8:59 pm

Skexis wrote:They'll have a job if it's being used as a layover zone.

It would appear, once again, that buses are the last thing considered by anyone involved in planning road infrastructure. We're always being told we can't do this or we can't layover there and it's getting pretty boring. Just for once I'd like to see buses given priority in something. There again the Govt don't give a crap as we're privatised and therefore not anything they need to take care of or worry about as there's always a fine or penalty they can impose if their wish list isn't fully met.


The train substitute timetables are a reflection of this. Nearly 15 minutes spent sitting stops on night time H1s. Laziness in my opinion.

It's even worse when you're on a V2 CB80 with that ear piercingly loud next stop tone.
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Re: [Nov/Dec 2017] SA Transport observations

Postby mmosca447 » Sun Nov 26, 2017 9:14 pm

TA3001 wrote:
Skexis wrote:They'll have a job if it's being used as a layover zone.

It would appear, once again, that buses are the last thing considered by anyone involved in planning road infrastructure. We're always being told we can't do this or we can't layover there and it's getting pretty boring. Just for once I'd like to see buses given priority in something. There again the Govt don't give a crap as we're privatised and therefore not anything they need to take care of or worry about as there's always a fine or penalty they can impose if their wish list isn't fully met.


The train substitute timetables are a reflection of this. Nearly 15 minutes spent sitting stops on night time H1s. Laziness in my opinion.

It's even worse when you're on a V2 CB80 with that ear piercingly loud next stop tone.


Do you mean a louder version of the CB80 Series 1 (and most of the AdMet fleet) chime or the new kind of song-like chime?
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Re: [Nov/Dec 2017] SA Transport observations

Postby Eagle Eye » Tue Nov 28, 2017 1:12 pm

TA3001 wrote:The train substitute timetables are a reflection of this. Nearly 15 minutes spent sitting stops on night time H1s. Laziness in my opinion.

Same with the ML1/ML2 trips - run horribly late during the peak and then run early, sitting at most timepoints, at night or early morning.

Why do rail sub trips have the same travel times from morning to night, with no busy or quiet time variations? It's almost like the timetables are put together by a train timetabler who doesn't understand there are traffic variations on the road that affect buses.
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Re: [Nov/Dec 2017] SA Transport observations

Postby TA3001 » Tue Nov 28, 2017 5:20 pm

mmosca447 wrote:
Do you mean a louder version of the CB80 Series 1 (and most of the AdMet fleet) chime or the new kind of song-like chime?


The one on the V2 ones. It's like they've upped the volume as I don't remember it being this loud when these lovelies entered service initially.

And before someone criticises this comment in the belief that it needs to he extremely loud, Volgren have gotten away with a ding in at least some of their low floor bodies, and they haven't been defected over this lol.
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Re: [Nov/Dec 2017] SA Transport observations

Postby Eagle Eye » Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:01 pm

There is a new traffic light sequence at Brighton Rd/Jetty Rd, Glenelg. Appears to be longer greens for Brighton Rd but doesn't seem to be helping trams as Jetty Rd only has very short green lights. The pedestrian greens to cross Brighton Rd have changed as well.

Previously a nice long green would clear most Jetty Rd traffic each cycle but now I've seen trams take 3-4 cycles to get from Gordon St just to reach Brighton Rd, and not even in the busiest times! I wonder if tram on-time running performance will suffer as a result? It's not looking good so far.
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Re: [Nov/Dec 2017] SA Transport observations

Postby jibb » Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:26 pm

Eagle Eye wrote:There is a new traffic light sequence at Brighton Rd/Jetty Rd, Glenelg. Appears to be longer greens for Brighton Rd but doesn't seem to be helping trams as Jetty Rd only has very short green lights. The pedestrian greens to cross Brighton Rd have changed as well.

Previously a nice long green would clear most Jetty Rd traffic each cycle but now I've seen trams take 3-4 cycles to get from Gordon St just to reach Brighton Rd, and not even in the busiest times! I wonder if tram on-time running performance will suffer as a result? It's not looking good so far.

Seems to me that all traffic lights that the Glenelg-Entertainment Centre pass through do not give priority to trams. That plus several speed restrictions(TSR) slow the service down.
If some or all of these problems were to be eliminated, travelling time between the 2 destinations could be up to 5 minutes quicker.
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Re: [Nov/Dec 2017] SA Transport observations

Postby TA3001 » Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:53 pm

jibb wrote:Seems to me that all traffic lights that the Glenelg-Entertainment Centre pass through do not give priority to trams. That plus several speed restrictions(TSR) slow the service down.
If some or all of these problems were to be eliminated, travelling time between the 2 destinations could be up to 5 minutes quicker.


And would the DPTI update the timetable to reflect this? With the amount of penny pinching that is known to occur, I doubt it would seen as having any value compared to the cost of reprinting the timetables.

It's annoying being on a tram sitting on 30kph due to the timetable being too loose. The train timetables seem to be designed with fast services in mind, so why not buses and trams?
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