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Faster Trains to link Canberra and Sydney

Postby objectingsquare » Thu Apr 06, 2017 12:16 am

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-new ... vdy7j.html

Two-hour train ride between Canberra and Sydney on the cards

Steven Trask

Canberrans could be nipping up to Sydney in just two hours if a new high speed railway project gets the green light.

Executives from Spanish train-building company Talgo arrived in Canberra on Wednesday to discuss running their high speed passenger trains between the two cities.

Spanish company Talgo are proposing to run their state of the art trains (pictured) between Canberra and Sydney.
Spanish company Talgo are proposing to run their state of the art trains (pictured) between Canberra and Sydney. Photo: Steven Trask
Commercial director Guillermo Martinez told The Canberra Times the state of the art trains would halve the current four-hour rail journey between Canberra and Sydney.

The trains would run on the existing tracks between the two cities with little to no modification needed to railway infrastructure, he added.

"We have looked at the current track between Sydney and Canberra and it was not as bad as we thought," he said.

"There is no problem running our trains on the existing railway tracks.

"For us, this is one of the main reasons to put in our train set. Because we don't need to invest as much on the tracks."

The full proposal would cost less than $100 million, Mr Martinez said, with Talgo understood to be seeking contributions from governments in New South Wales and the ACT.

Mr Martinez said if the government committed to the project, Talgo would have the trains up and running in "12 months or less".

Talgo would also lend a demonstration train to Australia free of charge just to prove their technology worked before the government committed a cent.

"There would be no cost associated with the trial," Mr Martinez said.

"All of the initial cost for the trial would be borne by us."

The Indian government is currently running trials of Talgo trains between the cities of Mumbai and New Delhi.

In initial trials, conducted last September, the trains shaved more than four hours off the typical railway journey time of 16 hours.

Project manager Salvador Flores said the primary reason the trains travelled so fast was because they used a "tilting" system that allowed them to maintain speed on corners.

"Mainly it's the passive tilting system that allows the train to run faster. It's a difference in technology," he said.

Mr Martinez said it was too soon to tell exactly how quickly the units could travel on Australian tracks, although Talgo trains are capable of reaching speeds as fast as 200 kilometres per hour.

They would have a similar passenger capacity to the trains currently running on the Sydney to Canberra line, Mr Martinez added.

Fenner MP Dr Andrew Leigh is expected to meet with the Talgo delegation to discuss the project on Thursday.

"Although it is early days, Talgo's visit to Canberra highlights the range of affordable options available for the NSW government to shorten rail travel time between Sydney and Canberra," Dr Leigh said.

"The current journey of four hours puts the train behind the Canberra-Sydney bus line, but with a modest investment from the Berejiklian government, Talgo high-speed trains could make the trip in two hours and be competitive with air travel."

A public meeting has been organised to discuss the project on Thursday evening. It will begin at 6pm at 1 Balmain Crescent in Acton and will include presentations from Talgo representatives.
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Re: Faster Trains to link Canberra and Sydney

Postby Roderick Smith » Sun Apr 23, 2017 8:41 pm

They won't be nipping in 2 h. Talgo didn't claim that, just a journalist.
The best hope is 2 h 15 min, but 2 h 30 min (as stated by Talgo) is realistic and achievable.
The stumbling block is Sydney - Macarthur. Thereafter, 160 km/h average is a bit optimistic, but 120 km/h average is easy.
Most European nations have lots of mainline track laid for 200 km/h. The tilting looks after most curve limits: 120 km/h should be possible anywhere, and 160 km/h on most.
The problem then will be pathing.

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Re: Faster Trains to link Canberra and Sydney

Postby boronia » Sun Apr 23, 2017 8:55 pm

"Although it is early days, Talgo's visit to Canberra highlights the range of affordable options available for the NSW government to shorten rail travel time between Sydney and Canberra," Dr Leigh said.


I doubt that the NSW Government would have much interest in shortening rail travel time. They are only operating the current services under political sufferance, they wouldn't want to actually make it attractive.

Most of the line is on ARTC track,, I wonder if they would be interested in making all the infrastructure alterations necessary to allow higher speed operation?

Murrays are operating an hourly daytime coach service, with 16 services per day, (plus a few Greyhound trips); no way trains will match that.
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Re: Faster Trains to link Canberra and Sydney

Postby Roderick Smith » Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:23 pm

Roderick.

May 16 2017 ACT Chief Minister Andrew Barr takes slow train to Sydney to prove case for faster rail.
It was a stunt to show just how far Andrew Barr would go to improve rail infrastructure between Canberra and Sydney - undertaking a four-hour train trip to meet with NSW transport minister Andrew Constance.
So perhaps it was fitting that the Chief Minister's train was delayed by more than an hour after the Xplorer got stuck behind a freight train coming into Canberra.
ACT Chief Minister Andrew Barr aboard a train to Sydney where he will meet with NSW Minister for Infrastructure Andrew Constance. Photo: Sitthixay Ditthavong.
Left waiting at the Kingston railway station, Mr Barr said the delay highlighted why he wanted to work with the NSW government on a joint bid to attract federal investment and speed up the trip between the two capital cities.
In last week's federal budget, the Turnbull government announced a $10 billion national rail program, which included $20 million to progress business cases for faster rail links between major cities and regional centres.
Mr Barr said this was a once-in-a-generation chance to get the line up to speed.
"This rail service is too slow, it's not competitive with road transport,' Mr Barr said.
"If the train journey were able to be reduced in time to anything three hours or less it would be competitive with current transport alternatives so I think with a relatively modest investment in the rolling stock, some signalling improvements and some work that can be undertaken on the line itself you could achieve that reduced travel time."
ACT Chief Minister Andrew Barr addresses media outside Canberra railway station after his train to Sydney was delayed. Photo: Sitthixay Ditthavong.
"I've observed before the Prime Minister loves public transport, loves to take selfies on trains. Wouldn't it be fantastic if the prime minister could get from Kirribilli to The Lodge via rail, possibly even a light rail connection from here past the lodge?"
Mr Barr said the current service served a "niche" audience - people who had the luxury of time.
While the current passenger numbers were enough to support the current three services a day, he said a new and faster train would encourage more people to take the train.
"This is a major opportunity, one that may only come around every couple of decades so why not take it?" Mr Barr said.
While Mr Barr acknowledged the territory's contribution to any rail line upgrade would pale in comparison to that of NSW, he said the ACT could "add value" in other ways.
"We wouldn't be able to invest in improving the rail line on the NSW side of the border but we could certainly take responsibility for improvements on the ACT side and we can look to work with the NSW government around a procurement decision on the rolling stock," Mr Barr said.
"I wouldn't envisage there'd be a significant investment from the ACT government because the service is one principally run by NSW but what I'm saying is we can contribute and we would be interested in doing so, particularly if we could leverage through a three-government approach to a better outcome on this service."
Mr Barr said, while he was open to discussions about how to link the ACT into a high-speed rail line from Brisbane to Melbourne, his focus was to speed up the existing Canberra line.
"I understand a lot of people are very keen to make the leap from the 19th century system we have now to a 21st century system that travels at an extraordinary speed, but for a relatively low cost we can bring Canberra-Sydney rail services into the 20th century and get something that is competitive and I think we can pursue that realistically over the next few months and years," Mr Barr said.
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Re: Faster Trains to link Canberra and Sydney

Postby GM » Tue Jun 20, 2017 10:55 am

Didn't we have trials with Talgo some years ago?
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Re: Faster Trains to link Canberra and Sydney

Postby system improver » Tue Jun 20, 2017 11:18 am

An hypothecated 1 cent per litre rise in petrol and diesel fuel prices would raise in excess of $300 million per year. This would be enough to start building all these rail projects that have been "talked about" for decades. States would be required to match the funding on a $1 for $1 basis.
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Re: Faster Trains to link Canberra and Sydney

Postby moa999 » Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:55 am

But why not make it 20c... It's not like people watch fuel prices that closely or that various government taxes don't already make up a substantial part
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