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Re: PTA / Transperth & Private Observations - 2019

Postby tonyp » Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:13 pm

An artic observed on the 998 today. Is this common? I was on a very crowded 999 yesterday and the driver kept the centre door open to allow faster boarding through both doors. Very sensible.
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Re: PTA / Transperth & Private Observations - 2019

Postby Bus Suggestions » Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:20 pm

tonyp wrote:An artic observed on the 998 today. Is this common? I was on a very crowded 999 yesterday and the driver kept the centre door open to allow faster boarding through both doors. Very sensible.

- Haven't seen many artics operating either direction of CircleRoute before.
- Never seen a driver keep the centre doors open just to let people board other than on CATs, although I agree, it was sensible of the driver.
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Re: PTA / Transperth & Private Observations - 2019

Postby tonyp » Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:59 pm

Furthermore, everybody who boarded through the centre door tapped on, contrary to PTA's major reason they don't allow all-door boarding on paid services! People can be more honest than they're given credit for.
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Re: PTA / Transperth & Private Observations - 2019

Postby Merc1107 » Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:06 am

Artics are only a common sighting on specific Circle Route services, typically the short-working double-banks in the peaks. There are only a few "pinch points" on the whole service and crush loads do clear quickly.

tonyp wrote:the driver kept the centre door open to allow faster boarding through both doors. Very sensible.
tonyp wrote:Furthermore, everybody who boarded through the centre door tapped on

I personally disagree that boarding via the centre door was "sensible" (let it be said I have nothing against the concept, though!), and it relates to passengers tagging on and off. I believe that attempting to tag on at the centre or rear door(s) can result in passengers being charged a default fare; have seen a number of instances of passengers tagging on at the rear or centre doors only for the SCV to tag on with the low-tone beep/yellow light indicative of this. Need to investigate further to confirm whether or not this is really the case.
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Re: PTA / Transperth & Private Observations - 2019

Postby Off The Rails » Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:14 am

2941 and 2766 seen in service this evening, the former with the wrong desto format put in.

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Re: PTA / Transperth & Private Observations - 2019

Postby Squiddy » Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:52 am

There are a few artics on circles throughout the day, Canning Vale often sends a few of theirs out in the mornings which don't run full circles, ending up in Freo around 9am ish.

The only full circle I'm aware of that's always an artic is the 1115 998 out of Freo (arriving back at Freo around ~1440) which is always one of Freo's B8s
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Re: PTA / Transperth & Private Observations - 2019

Postby tonyp » Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:41 am

Merc1107 wrote:I personally disagree that boarding via the centre door was "sensible" (let it be said I have nothing against the concept, though!), and it relates to passengers tagging on and off. I believe that attempting to tag on at the centre or rear door(s) can result in passengers being charged a default fare; have seen a number of instances of passengers tagging on at the rear or centre doors only for the SCV to tag on with the low-tone beep/yellow light indicative of this. Need to investigate further to confirm whether or not this is really the case.

Evidence from other states as reported on this forum is that these readers are all set up to scan both boardings and exits regardless of which door they're at. I don't see why any agency would bother programming scanners to record exits only.
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Re: PTA / Transperth & Private Observations - 2019

Postby Mr OC Benz » Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:00 am

tonyp wrote:
Merc1107 wrote:I personally disagree that boarding via the centre door was "sensible" (let it be said I have nothing against the concept, though!), and it relates to passengers tagging on and off. I believe that attempting to tag on at the centre or rear door(s) can result in passengers being charged a default fare; have seen a number of instances of passengers tagging on at the rear or centre doors only for the SCV to tag on with the low-tone beep/yellow light indicative of this. Need to investigate further to confirm whether or not this is really the case.

Evidence from other states as reported on this forum is that these readers are all set up to scan both boardings and exits regardless of which door they're at. I don't see why any agency would bother programming scanners to record exits only.

In Perth, they have always been set by default for tag off only at the centre/rear doors. I believe similar case in QLD. The setting can be changed in the ticket machine by the driver to allow tag on/off at the centre/rear doors if required in special circumstances. The current ticketing system places heavy emphasis on drivers to help manage fare compliance, so the only reason it is probably set that way is so that passengers are forced to enter through the front door where the driver has greater ability to ensure everyone has a valid ticket.
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Re: PTA / Transperth & Private Observations - 2019

Postby Bus Suggestions » Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:21 am

Don't think it has been mentioned before, but B-Sets 123 and 124 are in service now. 125 may potentially be as well, though I haven't yet seen it.
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Re: PTA / Transperth & Private Observations - 2019

Postby tonyp » Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:03 pm

Mr OC Benz wrote:
tonyp wrote:In Perth, they have always been set by default for tag off only at the centre/rear doors. I believe similar case in QLD. The setting can be changed in the ticket machine by the driver to allow tag on/off at the centre/rear doors if required in special circumstances. The current ticketing system places heavy emphasis on drivers to help manage fare compliance, so the only reason it is probably set that way is so that passengers are forced to enter through the front door where the driver has greater ability to ensure everyone has a valid ticket.

I guess in this instance the driver either reset the reader or those boarders will have a blip in their Smartrider accounts! In fairness it was a huge crowd (mostly school kids) that packed the bus to capacity and it would have taken ages to load if they all came through the front door and the bus would have been late.
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Re: PTA / Transperth & Private Observations - 2019

Postby Zidanehartono » Fri Jun 07, 2019 5:37 pm

A rare sighting as Adam's Swan Valley Explorer O405NH's such as B91 were seen parked at Ern Clark Athletic Track in Cannington for a school sports carnival today. I do have photos which will be posted on wikimedia.
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Re: PTA / Transperth & Private Observations - 2019

Postby Guy_Arab » Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:35 pm

Zidanehartono wrote:A rare sighting as Adam's Swan Valley Explorer O405NH's such as B91 were seen parked at Ern Clark Athletic Track in Cannington for a school sports carnival today. I do have photos which will be posted on wikimedia.

The is 3 Mercedes Benz 0405NH parked in Greendogs truck and bus yard here in Morley I think there are three in Swan Valley doing tourist work
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Re: PTA / Transperth & Private Observations - 2019

Postby Zidanehartono » Sat Jun 08, 2019 7:34 pm

Today's Armadale Line rail replacement buses are:

3098
3082
3058
3017
3032
2305
2433
3080
3022
3061
3062
3052
3055
3021
3030
1696
3100
3102
3079
2570
2587
3031
3034
3055
3027
3016
1628

Anymore to add?
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Re: PTA / Transperth & Private Observations - 2019

Postby Woolies_truck » Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:45 pm

A few path buses out doing Armadale rail replacement this evening
B12’s 3016,3017,3027,3029 and 3031
B8’s 3047,3056 and 3077
B7’s 2317,2352, and 2708
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Re: PTA / Transperth & Private Observations - 2019

Postby shinjiman » Sun Jun 09, 2019 5:55 pm

Looks like it’s so sad that Swan Valley Explorer had ceased service from 5 June 2019.
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Re: PTA / Transperth & Private Observations - 2019

Postby Zidanehartono » Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:29 am

B-Series 107 is seen operating the Thornlie Line this morning peak.
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Re: PTA / Transperth & Private Observations - 2019

Postby TP1462 » Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:10 pm

I had to sort out paying my rego and I saw that 2767 & 2944 are registered not sure if this has been mentioned before


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Re: PTA / Transperth & Private Observations - 2019

Postby the c man » Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:04 pm

Aset 45 is back from refurb, 34 has now gone in
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Re: PTA / Transperth & Private Observations - 2019

Postby Squiddy » Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:23 pm

Up to and including 2944 in service at Joondalup

2945 and 2831-4 are in Welshpool and have all been rego'd except 2834
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Re: PTA / Transperth & Private Observations - 2019

Postby sylar » Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:18 pm

1986 was in Baldivis running a 564 this arvo
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Re: PTA / Transperth & Private Observations - 2019

Postby Bus Suggestions » Thu Jun 20, 2019 12:49 pm

B-Set 49 is now out of refurb, was seen sitting in the Claisebrook stowage area yesterday. Very shiny - almost looks brand new. Seating layout doesn't seem to have changed.
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Re: PTA / Transperth & Private Observations - 2019

Postby the c man » Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:47 pm

Bus Suggestions wrote:B-Set 49 is now out of refurb, was seen sitting in the Claisebrook stowage area yesterday. Very shiny - almost looks brand new. Seating layout doesn't seem to have changed.

Bset 049 has been out of refurb over year now about 18months (approximately). They done 049-054 stopped. Aset 34 is now in refurb
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Re: PTA / Transperth & Private Observations - 2019

Postby Bus Suggestions » Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:55 pm

TP1462 wrote:Is BEA 4049 being refurbished? was sighted at the Nowergup depot this morning with an all white bulkhead minus the piano black trim around the LED destination boards it’s not the best looking

April 4 quote from earlier in the thread. Only suspected but somewhat confirms the suspicion.
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Re: PTA / Transperth & Private Observations - 2019

Postby TP1462 » Sat Jun 22, 2019 7:13 pm

5125 & 4126 will enter service next week following a press release from the minister


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Re: PTA / Transperth & Private Observations - 2019

Postby the c man » Sat Jun 22, 2019 10:41 pm

TP1462 wrote:5125 & 4126 will enter service next week following a press release from the minister


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Bset 125 is already in service, entered service 11/6/19
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