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WA Transport General Discussion & Questions - 2017

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Re: WA Transport General Discussion & Questions - 2017

Postby tonyp » Wed Aug 09, 2017 7:38 pm

Is there any data set available showing the modal split of users interchanging to and from trains at Perth railway stations? I've heard that the feeder bus modal share (vs driving, walking and riding) is quite high but I can't find any statistics to verify this.
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Re: WA Transport General Discussion & Questions - 2017

Postby Mr OC Benz » Wed Aug 09, 2017 9:45 pm

Not really. Like with patronage data, you find this sort of info in dribs and drabs in planning documents mostly.

I think the rule of thumb is that it is generally a 50/50 split bus vs other modes (with other dominated by car mostly). Of course this varies by station.

The new Aubin Grove Station for instance has 2000 car bays and a projected usage of 3900 pax per day. Ironically, within the first couple of months of opening, the PTA had to expand the bike shelters from 24 spaces to 76 spaces to cater for overwhelming demand inconsistent with typical usage across the network.

I believe Murdoch is the biggest or one of the biggest interchanges in terms accessing train services from the bus.
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Re: WA Transport General Discussion & Questions - 2017

Postby tonyp » Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:23 am

Thanks. I saw a document somewhere that said that about 40% of station turnups in Perth were by bus but I can't locate it again. I would have thought that, like in other states, it would be possible for PTA to use Smartrider data to do detailed station by station analysis.
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Re: WA Transport General Discussion & Questions - 2017

Postby Shoudy Chen » Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:42 pm

I have hopped on a O405NH Natural gas bus that ran on Transcom (Route 960) from Curtin Uni to the city. TP1772-1796 are allocated for Transcom gas while TP1797-1819 ran on Westport Gas system. The sound of the Transcom CNG was different compared to the Westport gassies. I thought that the Westport system used a different engine than the Transcom.
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Re: WA Transport General Discussion & Questions - 2017

Postby Merc1107 » Mon Aug 21, 2017 12:23 am

Shoudy Chen wrote:I have hopped on a O405NH Natural gas bus that ran on Transcom (Route 960) from Curtin Uni to the city. TP1772-1796 are allocated for Transcom gas while TP1797-1819 ran on Westport Gas system. The sound of the Transcom CNG was different compared to the Westport gassies. I thought that the Westport system used a different engine than the Transcom.

The engine is the same. There are some differences and similarities in the engines, but at this point, both types have a throttle-body CNG Injection system fitted. You can usually hear the injectors ticking. The original factory setup from Mercedes was naturally-aspirated (N/A), with a non-injected gas mixer with an electronic idle circuit.

Biggest difference on the Transcoms is the addition of a turbocharger. The purpose of the turbocharger, I'm told, was to preserve the engine's power, as the Transcom system ran a lean-burn configuration as a means of reducing exhaust emissions (Euro III compliant?). Make of that what you will - the Transcoms seem no faster or slower than their counterparts.
Another feature I've been told of, which has since been disabled, is a system that deactivates three cylinders at idle. There may be other key differences I am not aware of.

1797-1819 have all seemingly received the Westport CNG Injection system. This is setup is relatively similar to what was fitted to the CNG O405 high floor buses later in life to combat poor performance - although I'm not sure if this batch are really any better than they used to be. This conversion was done around 2012 when these buses had their mid-life refurbishment, whereas the Transcoms were converted very early on.

It is worth noting that the entire batch were once held by PATH Transit. 1797-1819 were gradually sent to Fremantle during 2008 or thereabouts based on the delivery of low-floor buses at the time.
I personally recall seeing these for the first time around June/July 2008 and being quite confused as to their origins, being a youngster. :lol:
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Re: PTA / Transperth & Private Observations - Sep/Oct 2017

Postby tonyp » Fri Sep 29, 2017 9:41 am

Review of new Volgren CAT bus. I didn't know the CATs are funded out of a parking levy - good move.

https://www.busnews.com.au/bus-reviews/ ... -route-bus
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Leederville Siding in use at approx 15:00 today

Postby KangaRam » Thu Oct 26, 2017 7:32 pm

Why would a train be using the siding at Leederville station today at 15:00 approx (Joondalup Line)? Thanks.
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WA Transport General Discussion & Questions - 2017

Postby TP1462 » Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:10 pm

KangaRam wrote:Why would a train be using the siding at Leederville station today at 15:00 approx (Joondalup Line)? Thanks.


If it’s a 6car it should be the one that does the stadium station trials in the morning then turns around at Leederville to do a Cockburn shuttle for its afternoon peak shift from Claisebrook yard if that makes sense


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Re: WA Transport General Discussion & Questions - 2017

Postby KangaRam » Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:46 pm

Thanks, it was a 6-car and it would need to go to Leederville to turn back to run down the Mandurah line
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Re: Boy hit by bus

Postby Roderick Smith » Sat Oct 28, 2017 2:43 pm

Roderick.

Perth student hit by bus still in intensive care.
Seven News, PerthNow October 27, 2017.
THE family of a Leeming High School student, who was hit by a bus in Perth’s south, have thanked the public for their support.
Zed Dicker-Lee, 17, remains in intensive care with a severe head injury after he was hit by the Transperth bus on Thursday afternoon.
The teen had just been dropped off by a bus a few doors from his home on Parkway Road in Bibra Lake when he was hit by another bus coming in the opposite direction.
Doctors were able to stabilise Zed on Friday morning, with his family issuing a statement.
Zed Dicker-Lee is fighting for life in hospital.
“We would like to thank you for all your thoughtful words, prayers and support,” the family said.
“Zed is in a stable condition and will be monitored in ICU for the next 24 hours.
“We would like to personally thank the kind people who assisted at the scene.”
Neighbour Samantha Meier stopped to help and soon realised the injured teen was a friend on her son’s.
“We were just trying to keep him conscious and warm,” she said.
“He sort of opened his eyes a little bit and went back into unconsciousness, he was drifting in and out.”
It is understood the teen may have been looking at something in his hand, possibly his mobile phone, when the step out in front of the bus.
There were 15 Kennedy Baptist College students on board the bus that hit Zed, and some of those students have been offered counselling.
Doctors say it remains unclear what Zed’s long-term prognosis will be, but for now his family remain at his bedside, hoping for the best outcome.
www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-austra ... 074878e90e
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Re: WA Transport General Discussion & Questions - 2017

Postby Squiddy » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:37 am

How does one go about submitting photos to the perthbus.info site? Being a broke uni student that makes the trek from outer Mandurah to Perth every other day I see a lot of buses that don't yet have photos listed.

I requested to join their Facebook group quite some time ago (like, months ago) but haven't been accepted =|
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Re: WA Transport General Discussion & Questions - 2017

Postby sylar » Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:42 pm

good question squiddy, i've tried to submit feeback on perthbus.info in the past but couldn't because the feedback link is directed to a facebook site, not practicable for people who are not on facebook.

Another question I have is are all the new Volvo B7's Euro 6 standard ? I noticed today on the rear of 2482 it had a Euro 6 sticker fitted ? I thought all B7's were Euro 5 ??
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Re: WA Transport General Discussion & Questions - 2017

Postby 1whoknows » Sat Nov 18, 2017 11:09 am

Some recent B7RLEs are Euro 6 but it will cease to be relevant soon. Chassis sales for the 7 stopped in the middle of the year. Naturally the last ones are still coming through from body builders around the country but not for much longer. From then on it will be B8RLEs which are Euro 6 compliant.
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Re: WA Transport General Discussion & Questions - 2017

Postby Mr OC Benz » Sat Nov 18, 2017 11:41 am

For 2482, I'd say it has just had the wrong sticker applied. It's a Euro 5 that has been in service for over two years.
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Re: WA Transport General Discussion & Questions - 2017

Postby PoweredByCNG » Sat Nov 18, 2017 12:55 pm

1whoknows wrote:From then on it will be B8RLEs which are Euro 6 compliant.


Not true as a Euro V B8RLE variant will be offered in Australia alongside the Euro VI to appease the operators who do not wish to deal with the extra costs and complexity of a Euro VI product until legally necessary. In overseas markets, the B8R-series is available in a Euro III version too.
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