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Forrestfield-Airport Link Project

Postby TP1462 » Thu Feb 18, 2016 2:11 pm

The Salini Impregilo - NRW Joint Venture selected as preferred respondent to design, construct and maintain the Forrestfield-Airport Link
$2 billion investment in public transport to connect Perth's growing eastern foothills to the CBD via Perth Airport
Construction to begin later this

http://www.pta.wa.gov.au/Default.aspx?id=1569&tabid=121
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Forrestfield-Airport Link Project

Postby TP1462 » Thu Feb 18, 2016 3:14 pm

http://www.salini-impregilo.com/en/proj ... tml?page=2

Here is a link to a sample of the preferred contractors portfolio they are responsible for projects such as the Paris subway
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Re: Forrestfield-Airport Link Project

Postby Shoudy Chen » Thu Feb 18, 2016 6:40 pm

This is a massive task for the Forrestfield-Airport Link Project.
Do you know whether they will have train cancellations from Perth to Midland for a minimum of 3 days when the constructions begins?
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Re: Forrestfield-Airport Link Project

Postby Off The Rails » Thu Feb 18, 2016 8:15 pm

Anyone would be smart enough that the works before the Midland Line will be near completed, then to dig out the connection - and it's gonna take longer than a weekend to do it.

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Re: Forrestfield-Airport Link Project

Postby the c man » Fri Feb 19, 2016 12:26 am

Be interesting to see where they put temporary tracks seeing as on one side is residential area and the opposite side is industrial area barely enough rooms for the tracks. Thanks for sharing the links TP 1462 :)
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Re: Forrestfield-Airport Link Project

Postby TP1462 » Sat Feb 20, 2016 8:51 am

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Here is some screen shots I took last night from Apple Maps, can see how it would be done
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Re: Forrestfield-Airport Link Project

Postby Zidanehartono » Tue Mar 01, 2016 1:49 am

Please be the Rail Line shouldn't be owned privately this time.
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Re: Forrestfield-Airport Link Project

Postby Off The Rails » Tue Mar 01, 2016 2:04 am

Zidanehartono wrote:Please be the Rail Line shouldn't be owned privately this time.

Can you point out where something has been said about privatising the Airport Line? I'm clueless as what you mean by this post.

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Re: Forrestfield-Airport Link Project

Postby TP1462 » Tue Mar 01, 2016 8:15 am

Off The Rails wrote:
Zidanehartono wrote:Please be the Rail Line shouldn't be owned privately this time.

Can you point out where something has been said about privatising the Airport Line? I'm clueless as what you mean by this post.

Cheers! :wink:


The railway line will be owned by the PTA and will be operated by TransPerth train operations, their has been NO evidence to suggest that the Forrestfield spur line which is still 4 years away could be privatised, the appointed contractor will design, construct & maintain the line, nothing has been mentioned about operation of the line
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Re: Forrestfield-Airport Link Project

Postby Zidanehartono » Tue Mar 01, 2016 9:47 am

OK but why would Translink QLD/TFNSW did not do something like this when private companies decide it?
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Re: Forrestfield-Airport Link Project

Postby simonl » Tue Mar 01, 2016 4:49 pm

Will the line have premium or standard fares?

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Re: Forrestfield-Airport Link Project

Postby Mr OC Benz » Tue Mar 01, 2016 5:59 pm

Standard Transperth fares will apply. I.e. The price of a standard 2-zone cash fare from the Airport to Perth CBD would be about $4.50 ($3.38 with Smartrider). Will probably be higher by 2020 in line with CPI.
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Re: Forrestfield-Airport Link Project

Postby 102 at 1625 » Tue Mar 01, 2016 6:33 pm

Zidanehartono, I'll try and explain...

In NSW the government struck a deal with a private company. The government funded the construction of the underground railway line to the airport, but the private company paid for the construction of the underground airport stations. The government would not have been able to afford the railway line (including the stations) at the time without it being party funded by the private sector. In return, the private company now operates the station (employing station staff etc.) and can charge a higher fare for access to the station to allow it to recoup the investment it made in the stations. This will continue until thirty years after the line was opened, at which time the contract between the government and the private company stipulates that it will fall back into public hands. Interestingly, the private company overestimated the patronage on the line when it first agreed to build the station (presumably not considering the effect on patronage that the inflated station access charge would have), and consequently went bankrupt. It was bought out by Westpac, (but at something like one quarter of the price it cost to build the stations) and is now profitable.

Here in Western Australia, the government will be paying private companies to build the line and the stations, as is always done when rail infrastructure is built these days. Once construction has been completed, the line and the stations will be in government ownership, just like the rest of the rail network. It will not be privatised. As a result, there are no plans for inflated or "premium" ticket prices.

I'm not sure about Qld.

I hope that makes sense.
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Re: Forrestfield-Airport Link Project

Postby Merc & Renault Bus_1 » Tue Mar 01, 2016 8:05 pm

Queensland is similar to Sydney, the train line from the Gold Coast and Bribane to the airport is operated by a private company called Air Train, and they charge a $17.50 fare for a one way trip to Brisbane from the airport, which is 4 times the 3 zone fare TransLink would charge to get from Brisbane to the airport (if that was possible), Air Train shares the same train lines as Queensland Rail (operator of trains for TransLink), I don't know if they share the same train sets (the c man could help us out on that front).

Anyone in Perth, consider yourself lucky that you have government funded and owned public transport to the airport, most other capital cities in Australia don't (I'm not sure about Sydney and Adelaide), as a lot of Australain passenger airports are privatised in 1997 and their state governments do not have the funding to run public transport to and from these airports as they may also have to pay the airport's rent (or tax) to use their facilities.
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Re: Forrestfield-Airport Link Project

Postby PaxInfo » Tue Mar 01, 2016 8:17 pm

Merc & Renault Bus_1 wrote:Anyone in Perth, consider yourself lucky that you have government funded and owned public transport to the airport, most other capital cities in Australia don't (I'm not sure about Sydney and Adelaide),


Adelaide has very frequent regular buses between the airport and city. Sydney has Route 400 which is a cross-suburban route but smart people wanting a quick trip to the city just walk to Mascot station. Melbourne has a limited service to the 59 tram (478/479) and a more frequent orbital route (901) to Broadmeadows station and beyond.
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Re: Forrestfield-Airport Link Project

Postby 102 at 1625 » Tue Mar 01, 2016 8:54 pm

Merc & Renault Bus_1 wrote:a lot of Australain passenger airports are privatised in 1997

Perth Airport was privatised with the all the other main airports in Australia around that time. It is not government owned or operated.
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Re: Forrestfield-Airport Link Project

Postby Lt. Commander Data » Tue Mar 01, 2016 9:10 pm

Merc & Renault Bus_1 wrote:Queensland is similar to Sydney, the train line from the Gold Coast and Bribane to the airport is operated by a private company called Air Train, and they charge a $17.50 fare for a one way trip to Brisbane from the airport, which is 4 times the 3 zone fare TransLink would charge to get from Brisbane to the airport (if that was possible), Air Train shares the same train lines as Queensland Rail (operator of trains for TransLink), I don't know if they share the same train sets (the c man could help us out on that front).

Anyone in Perth, consider yourself lucky that you have government funded and owned public transport to the airport, most other capital cities in Australia don't (I'm not sure about Sydney and Adelaide), as a lot of Australain passenger airports are privatised in 1997 and their state governments do not have the funding to run public transport to and from these airports as they may also have to pay the airport's rent (or tax) to use their facilities.



Adelaide has a 15min frequency between the city & airport, with routes J1, J1A, J1H, J1X and J3. Routes J1 and J3 also continue to Glenelg, and route J1H to Harbour Town. Cross-suburban routes J7 and J8 also link 2 of the 3 Westfields in Adelaide with the airport, and route J8 also stops another major shopping centre, Centro Arndale.

All of these are regular metroticket (or MetroCARD) services. Some J1X's also use one of the 2 double deckers in Adelaide (the CDi numbered 1790).
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Re: Forrestfield-Airport Link Project

Postby 102 at 1625 » Tue Mar 01, 2016 10:02 pm

Yes we used public transport to access Adelaide airport a year or two ago I must say it was very convenient. You South Australians should be proud, considering that we didn't even have direct public transport to the international airport until a few months ago.

The JetExpress seems like a silly idea though given that it only runs once an hour. A waste of a double decker bus.
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Re: Forrestfield-Airport Link Project

Postby Merc & Renault Bus_1 » Wed Mar 02, 2016 8:31 am

Thanks for the answers in regards to Adelaide, I wasn't sure as I haven't been there before
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Re: Forrestfield-Airport Link Project

Postby Lt. Commander Data » Wed Mar 02, 2016 8:45 am

102 at 1625 wrote:Yes we used public transport to access Adelaide airport a year or two ago I must say it was very convenient. You South Australians should be proud, considering that we didn't even have direct public transport to the international airport until a few months ago.

The JetExpress seems like a silly idea though given that it only runs once an hour. A waste of a double decker bus.


Just a bit of an update on the JetExpress, as on 26th of Jan this year it runs every 1/2 hour, with every other service using the double decker. It also services limited stop along the route now, and follows the regular Jetbus route into the City, instead of the pointless route it used to do. Back to the SA section now!
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Re: Forrestfield-Airport Link Project

Postby simonl » Wed Mar 02, 2016 10:46 am

102 at 1625 wrote:The government would not have been able to afford the railway line (including the stations) at the time without it being party funded by the private sector

I don't believe that at all. The government funded about $800m while the private sector funded $200m. I believe that the initial estimate of the government's share of the cost was way off and the line would have been scrubbed but for the need to buy out the private partner.

BTW, 85% of the "surplus revenue" from the station access fee is now returned to the government after the "restated stations agreement" has hit the last trigger point.

I think the major reason for the PPPs involved is that it makes it politically easier to charge a premium fare. Otherwise, why not just buy out the stations? They aren't worth much any more. Similarly in Brisbane - the line was sold for a bit over $100m a few years ago after spending a bit over $200m to build it.
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Re: Forrestfield-Airport Link Project

Postby hack404 » Wed Mar 02, 2016 6:10 pm

102 at 1625 wrote:
Merc & Renault Bus_1 wrote:a lot of Australain passenger airports are privatised in 1997

Perth Airport was privatised with the all the other main airports in Australia around that time. It is not government owned or operated.

It is government owned, however the operator has a long-term lease.
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Re: Forrestfield-Airport Link Project

Postby 102 at 1625 » Wed Mar 02, 2016 6:13 pm

Yeah simonl, that premium airport charge probably has served its purpose now that most revenue goes back to TfNSW.
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Re: Forrestfield-Airport Link Project

Postby 102 at 1625 » Wed Mar 02, 2016 7:09 pm

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Re: Forrestfield-Airport Link Project

Postby Mr OC Benz » Wed Mar 02, 2016 7:20 pm

^ And that's the only way that this project will ever see any success... Airport West Station opens up a whole new rail catchment area, not to mention the development potential to provide quality high density mixed use developments under TOD principles. Forrestfield also will achieve much the same with a much larger catchment and huge potential to reduce journey times into the CBD by public transport. Plus the development opportunities (if planned properly) surrounding the station precinct.

Not to mention that there will be the ability to extend the line in the longer term to connect onto the Armadale/Thornlie and Mandurah lines.
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