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Wow! That is one great design! Can't wait for it to open, if the services work out, it may be the station I use instead of Clarkson... Hopefully they don't change that into Dullsville...
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All I have to say is WTF??? Keep it the same as all the other NSR/SSR Stations. Why change something for 1 or 2 stations... :evil:
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Why on earth would it matter?
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It's better to have different and unique stations on the network, otherwise it gets really boring... Besides most stations are not identical anyway.
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Mr OC Benz wrote:It's better to have different and unique stations on the network, otherwise it gets really boring... Besides most stations are not identical anyway.
Kwinana and Wellard are identical
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I think he said "most", rather than "all"...
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Indeed I did... You could say that Whitfords and Warwick are the same except flipped. i.e. Bus lane is on southern side for Whitfords, Northern side for Warwick...

Stations are built to suit the surrounding area, not to be standardised with any other station... Not only it looks boring, but it becomes confusing for visitors who think they're at a particular station when they are really not.
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Look at Canning Bridge, Bull Creek, Murdoch, Cockburn Central, Kwinana, Wellard, Rockingham, Warnbro, Mandurah, Currambine, Clarkson and Victoria Park. All have been built to virtually the same specifications for the platform and all fit in to the surroinding area...

Also, whats the point in it being split platforms? I can understand it at Greenwood as there is not room to move the tracks apart for an Island Platform. Butler on the other hand, the track hasn't been built. I hate it so much when something that has worked fine for ages, suddenly gets changed for no bloody reason...
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The design and the location surroundings around the proposed station make it appropriate as the station is within a residential area and not on a freeway reserve.
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I do not understand what the problem is - there is not 1 reason why it should be identical to any other station on the network as Mr ocb has mentioned. And FYI all those stations you listed I dont think were built to the same specification - some are island, some side, others closed, others open, some with bus some with out and while im at it if you looked closley this station is very similar to Kwinana so why are you complaining?
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If you look at the platform design, fittings etc... all are almost identical...
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The platform design obviously has to be the same so that it suits the trains!...
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Bus-1809 wrote:If you look at the platform design, fittings etc... all are almost identical...
So how do you know it wont be the same? Those pictures are not clear (at least to me) when it comes to that stuff. And not all stations have the same light fittings any way including along the same line. Things like seating, bricks/tiles all change (not dramaticly anyway) but I fail to see this being very different anyway. To me it fits right into the network.
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Looking at the 3rd image on that site, why is there a sign for a "Mandurah" platform and a "Joondalup" platform? I'm sure they would use the same platform, the citybound platform. Also, one of those platforms would surely be a "Perth" platform, rather than Mandurah or Joondalup...

And with stations using the same design as another (Warwick/Whitfords, Kwinana/Wellard), it saves a lot of money by not having to plan another station, it saves money on materials, it saves money on project management, and you may as well do that if you can, if it fits in with the surrounding area. You can fancy up the stations to make them look different, it will still be cheaper than building a different station.
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kp.nuts wrote:
And with stations using the same design as another (Warwick/Whitfords, Kwinana/Wellard), it saves a lot of money by not having to plan another station, it saves money on materials, it saves money on project management, and you may as well do that if you can, if it fits in with the surrounding area. You can fancy up the stations to make them look different, it will still be cheaper than building a different station.
If they are built at the same time yes, but to build a new station now based on OLD designs then no, even kwinana and wellard are old now - new technoligy, systems, signage etc
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kp.nuts, with the platform signage, bear in mind that these are only artist impressions/mock-ups - things like signage will no doubt be sorted closer to the time, according to what the Transperth design language is in 2014... Similar quirks occur in the artist impressions for the Perth City Link, and way back to the Mandurah Line station drawings - I think one had the train doors in the wrong place. And for what it's worth, Adelaide I think once had a electric train drawing... with a steering wheel in the driver compartment.
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jeez .. you think the infrastructure planners might have some more originality in their selection of names! what are they going to rename the line to? Jeeves?
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What do you mean? These are all suburb names...
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It looks like the same Architectual design of the roof similar to that large Ferrari exhibition place at Dubai. If this is the new Butler train station design, imagine what the Yanchep station would proberly look like?
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Bus-1809 wrote:Also, whats the point in it being split platforms? I can understand it at Greenwood as there is not room to move the tracks apart for an Island Platform. Butler on the other hand, the track hasn't been built. I hate it so much when something that has worked fine for ages, suddenly gets changed for no bloody reason...
It might be because the lines are already in existence from Clarkson to Nowergup depot. Easier to build a station around them rather than relay tracks I guess.

kp.nuts wrote:Looking at the 3rd image on that site, why is there a sign for a "Mandurah" platform and a "Joondalup" platform? I'm sure they would use the same platform, the citybound platform. Also, one of those platforms would surely be a "Perth" platform, rather than Mandurah or Joondalup...
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Bus-1809 wrote:Also, whats the point in it being split platforms? I can understand it at Greenwood as there is not room to move the tracks apart for an Island Platform. Butler on the other hand, the track hasn't been built. I hate it so much when something that has worked fine for ages, suddenly gets changed for no bloody reason...
It might be because the lines are already in existence from Clarkson to Nowergup depot. Easier to build a station around them rather than relay tracks I guess.
They aren't building a station around the existing track, they are extending the track to the new station at Butler. It would take the same effort to build the tracks around an island platform at Butler as it would to build the tracks inside a split platform station.

Maybe it's because there isn't enough room for an island platform, as it's inside a residential area and they didn't leave enough space for it?

They did the same with Thornlie station, but there was plenty of room for an island platform, but they went split instead.
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The design and the two platforms is more appropriate for that area where the immediate surrounds is residential areas. There will be extra track built up a couple of hundred metres north of the station complex.
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New Butler station on track
http://www.inmycommunity.com.au/news-an ... k/7609974/

THE proposed Butler Train Station is progressing, following planning approval this week.

The $23 million project was considered by the north-west metropolitan development assessment panel on Monday, with the five-member panel approving the station with nine conditions.

Specialist member Fred Zuideveld proposed the removal of two conditions recommended in the officer’s report following deputations from the Public Transport Authority (PTA).

These included an easement and footpath, which the Department of Planning requested to improve pedestrian access between areas on either side of the station.

Butler Railway Extension contract manager Ben Amrom said in relation to the proposed condition for a footpath to be included that there would already be access through the station itself, except between 1am and 4.30am.

“That’s a safer way to cross that site – full lighting will be provided,” he said.

Mr Amrom said if a footpath was put along the suggested route, it would be narrow and run beside high barbed wire fences, so people would not feel safe.

The only panel member to oppose removing the easement condition, Paul Dreschler said the plans should allow “fairly free and unencumbered pedestrian access”.

Parking concerns were also discussed, and PTA infrastructure planning chief Peter Martinovich said there had been a protracted process to procure the land for parking over the past three years, with the landowner eventually told to give the necessary space to PTA at a discounted price.

Although the resident population close to the station was not high, Mr Martinovich said the station’s presence would stimulate transit-oriented development, but added “45 per cent of all commuters come by motor vehicle”.

Providing background during the meeting, Department of Planning north west metropolitan director Kym Petani said there were initially plans for two stations, one with parking further south in Butler, and the second, at the current location, which would have been a walk-on station.

Ms Petani said she was concerned about the “sterilisation” of land in the centre if it was permanently set aside for parking, hence the condition for car-park approval to be approved only to 2019.

“We’ve got broader issues to look at, such as housing affordability,” she said.

Mr Zuideveld asked whether the number of car parking spaces could be provided on the upper levels of multi-storey car parks, with shops on the ground floor.

Mr Martinovich said the PTA was already discussing similar options with the private sector and expected to advertise for design tenders early next year.

The panellists opted to keep a condition for a shade tree for every four parking bays, despite Mr Amrom saying the PTA already planned one for every six bays, and more trees would impact on security camera coverage and lighting.

“Across the five car parks we are achieving one tree per six car bays,” he said.

“Providing additional trees will diminish our ability to provide the level of security”

Conditions supported by the panel also included an on-site drainage water system, detailed landscaping and reticulation plans, anti-graffiti coating on all structures, and details of public art to be lodged with the City prior to installation.
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(Sorry for the thread reawakening, I reckon this fits here quite well...)

Not long now until we have a bit more than just 3D renders of the station!
OnePerth wrote:Transport Minister Troy Buswell has promised that work will start this month on the much-anticipated Butler park and ride train station, with services starting in late 2014.

Local construction company Cooper and Oxley has been awarded the $22 million contract to build the new station whose futuristic plans were first revealed last year by oneperth.com.au.

“We expect more than 2000 passengers to board at the station each week day,” Mr Buswell said today.

The station will be located north of the future Butler Boulevard.

Mr Buswell said forward works for the station had been completed, and construction would begin this month.

Contracts for rail works were awarded in 2011 and preparation of the rail alignment is underway.
http://www.oneperth.com.au/2012/06/08/b ... -for-2014/
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