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Re: Bus Routes - What would you do if you were in charge?

Postby User 11872 » Fri May 18, 2012 7:40 pm

I think he means via the foreshore?

If he does, I would concur.
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Re: Bus Routes - What would you do if you were in charge?

Postby 900 series » Thu May 24, 2012 9:09 pm

Mr OC Benz wrote:There was actually a map with the new plan on Ch 7 News, hopefully someone may have captured that, or at least the map may be available later.

I'm interested as to where the extra buses will come from for the extra Red CAT services starting in July.


Not sure if it's the same map, but I found something in page 21 of this PDF.

Interesting that it's not the same as what The West Australian reckoned.
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Re: Bus Routes - What would you do if you were in charge?

Postby Mr OC Benz » Thu May 24, 2012 9:26 pm

Yep that's it, I've attached it to here too.
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Re: Bus Routes - What would you do if you were in charge?

Postby Bus Fanatic » Thu May 24, 2012 11:10 pm

Mr OC Benz- I believe that two Midis from Southern River will be joining the CAT Fleet at some stage in the near future and these will be replaced with two long wheelbase OC500 from another Depot following delivery of Volvo Buses.
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Re: Bus Routes - What would you do if you were in charge?

Postby laptop15 » Thu May 24, 2012 11:40 pm

I dont understand why they are getting rid of the bus lanes on Barrack Street and putting some on William street when they are putting bus lanes all the way down Beaufort street? Doesnt it make sense to continue these lanes all the way down Barrack? FFS! But nice Green CAT! Wonder if they could make a Green CAT "Special" to go to Kings Park?
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Re: Bus Routes - What would you do if you were in charge?

Postby Mr OC Benz » Thu May 24, 2012 11:47 pm

I think you misunderstood it, the way I read it, the Barrack St bus lane will be there, but more defined as a bus priority right up and along Beaufort St.
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Re: Bus Routes - What would you do if you were in charge?

Postby Off The Rails » Thu May 24, 2012 11:50 pm

Would a bus route work from Byford to Rockingham?
If possible, this route (no. 564) would run from Byford Stn, R Soldiers rd, L Abernethy rd, R Thatcher rd, R Thatcher rd (It connects to Binshaw rd), L Larsen rd, R Briggs rd, L Thomas rd, L Gilmore ave to Kwinana Hub BS, R back onto Gilmore ave, L Thomas rd, L Rockingham rd, then the rest of the way (following the 920 route) to Rockingham Stn.
Times are: 1 hour all day on weekdays, 2 hours on weekends. Run is done by SCT.

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Re: Bus Routes - What would you do if you were in charge?

Postby Leyland B21 » Fri May 25, 2012 12:12 am

How about extending Route 568 from its current terminus in Baldivis to Fifty Road to service the estates behind Baldivis Primary School!!!
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Re: Bus Routes - What would you do if you were in charge?

Postby Mr OC Benz » Fri May 25, 2012 12:15 am

TP 1592 wrote:Would a bus route work from Byford to Rockingham?
If possible, this route (no. 564) would run from Byford Stn, R Soldiers rd, L Abernethy rd, R Thatcher rd, R Thatcher rd (It connects to Binshaw rd), L Larsen rd, R Briggs rd, L Thomas rd, L Gilmore ave to Kwinana Hub BS, R back onto Gilmore ave, L Thomas rd, L Rockingham rd, then the rest of the way (following the 920 route) to Rockingham Stn.
Times are: 1 hour all day on weekdays, 2 hours on weekends. Run is done by SCT.

what's the point though? Who'd use it?
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Re: Bus Routes - What would you do if you were in charge?

Postby laptop15 » Fri May 25, 2012 12:18 am

Mr OC Benz wrote:I think you misunderstood it, the way I read it, the Barrack St bus lane will be there, but more defined as a bus priority right up and along Beaufort St.


If you read the map on page 22 it says "Exsisting Bus Priority to be replaced with the William street bus priority lanes" to me that sounds like the bus priority on Barrack street means the bus lane and that will be replaced (ie lane to be removed) with new lanes on William street...
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Re: Bus Routes - What would you do if you were in charge?

Postby High Floor Bus » Fri May 25, 2012 1:21 am

Mr OC Benz wrote:
I think you misunderstood it, the way I read it, the Barrack St bus lane will be there, but more defined as a bus priority right up and along Beaufort St.


If you read the map on page 22 it says "Exsisting Bus Priority to be replaced with the William street bus priority lanes" to me that sounds like the bus priority on Barrack street means the bus lane and that will be replaced (ie lane to be removed) with new lanes on William street...

Thats how i look at it too!
Why take the bus lane away , its bad enough being full of buses taking forever to load pax , let alone sharing it with more cars stoping the your bus from getting on stand .would'nt be better to reInstate the 4th lane back and add capacity like it used to have years before.
Better still cut short some of the through services that go up barrack st at WSBS & from the Busport.
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Re: Bus Routes - What would you do if you were in charge?

Postby Mr OC Benz » Fri May 25, 2012 11:38 am

I will go back and read it, but I doubt they'll remove the Barrack St bus lane, their concept is to put more in, not reduce! Besides perhaps their plan is that Barrack St one will virtually turn into the Beaufort St one after crossing the bridge in the city anyway.
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Re: Bus Routes - What would you do if you were in charge?

Postby 900 series » Fri May 25, 2012 7:23 pm

From what I've seen here, the City of Perth plan seems to be to have all buses leaving the busport running onto William Street northbound, then either going left for WSBS or right to Wellington and left onto Beaufort (for the Beaufort and Guildford services). There will be bus lanes fitted to parts of Wellington Street, with St Georges Terrace and the Wellington/Barrack/Beaufort intersection being "bus priority routes" while Fitzgerald and Beaufort streets will be "public transport priority routes".

Also William Street between Murray and Hay streets will be bus-only under the plan.

Not sure what the 16, 60 and 401 would do, with regards to either using William Street north once it's two-way or doubling back on themselves to use Beaufort going both ways.
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Re: Bus Routes - What would you do if you were in charge?

Postby UQB444 » Fri May 25, 2012 10:16 pm

I know this may be unrelavant what about introduce trams????? i.e. have Freo, Wellington Street/ Perth Station/ Esplanade as a bus/ train/ tram interchange?? Could save on traffic jams But only zone 1- 3?
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Re: Bus Routes - What would you do if you were in charge?

Postby laptop15 » Sat May 26, 2012 2:00 am

If you have a look at the 2031 masterplan there are trams on the way and more funding went to planning in the last budget. Initially it will run north to MIrrabooka up Alexander drive.
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Re: Bus Routes - What would you do if you were in charge?

Postby laptop15 » Sat May 26, 2012 2:05 am

Mr OC Benz wrote:I will go back and read it, but I doubt they'll remove the Barrack St bus lane, their concept is to put more in, not reduce! Besides perhaps their plan is that Barrack St one will virtually turn into the Beaufort St one after crossing the bridge in the city anyway.


Thats OK, but I agree and like I said I dont understand why!!! Guess Ill have to send an email to someone!
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Re: Bus Routes - What would you do if you were in charge?

Postby User 11872 » Sat May 26, 2012 8:05 pm

High Floor Bus wrote:
Mr OC Benz wrote:
I think you misunderstood it, the way I read it, the Barrack St bus lane will be there, but more defined as a bus priority right up and along Beaufort St.


If you read the map on page 22 it says "Exsisting Bus Priority to be replaced with the William street bus priority lanes" to me that sounds like the bus priority on Barrack street means the bus lane and that will be replaced (ie lane to be removed) with new lanes on William street...

Thats how i look at it too!
Why take the bus lane away , its bad enough being full of buses taking forever to load pax , let alone sharing it with more cars stoping the your bus from getting on stand .would'nt be better to reInstate the 4th lane back and add capacity like it used to have years before.
Better still cut short some of the through services that go up barrack st at WSBS & from the Busport.



MY God, common sense - I'M ASTOUNDED. It's a Central Business District, ie, it contains things like offices and business head-quarters etc in multi-storey towers (dense) NOT just an idiotic place for coffee bean drinkers to disrupt the workings of all those who actually 'need' to enter the dreaded place.
The overwhelming majority of people on this site and just about everywhere else it seems are opposed to this artificially-congested farce that is rapidly unfolding and transforming the place into a place to avoid.
Of course, if you are a property developer you'll be rubbing your hands together (hmm - the PCC has a few of those)......but if you are a worker, for eg in transport such as emergency services, general service deliveries, buses, cabs or even a casual shopper, hire-car tourist, well.....it's bad news all the way. The place should be functional.
Instead it's fictional and unoriginal, trying to imitate other cities rather than manipulating its own unique assets.
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Re: Bus Routes - What would you do if you were in charge?

Postby laptop15 » Sun May 27, 2012 3:01 am

What the hell is wrong with you? Isnt just best if you leave?
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Re: Bus Routes - What would you do if you were in charge?

Postby Off The Rails » Sun May 27, 2012 3:25 am

laptop15 wrote:What the hell is wrong with you? Isnt just best if you leave?

Arn't people allowed thier say in things anymore?

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Re: Bus Routes - What would you do if you were in charge?

Postby Leyland B21 » Sun May 27, 2012 3:58 am

Ok. As per the moderators have mentioned in the Thread regarding Slander and attacks, it seems this has become so personal of late hence why i am not contributing as much as i once did. Its a shame cos this site is so useful , educational and a place where people can have their input. the fact that the above posts mention

TP 1592 wrote:
laptop15 wrote:What the hell is wrong with you? Isnt just best if you leave?

Arn't people allowed thier say in things anymore?

Cheers!


This is getting the point where its no longer inviting to people wanting to use this site. For christs sake, read the topic http://www.busaustralia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=67529

Take a step back for a moment, look at what your writing / posting, have some consideration for new users that do not wish to see childish behaviour and appreciate the fact you have a well formatted website/forum available for you interest / hobby as well as other users. Keep it inviting so if a new user checks the site out, they are not submitted to behavior of a low standard, slander, attacks on others, but a site where they can learn from and offer their input to an interest shared by many.

Now I am not a moderator but im speaking on behalf of those that use this site for the right reasons. Enough is enough. Dont take forgranted the work Users / Admins / Whatever put into this site. Its there for yours as well as the publics benefit!!! Dont Abuse It
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Re: Bus Routes - What would you do if you were in charge?

Postby Off The Rails » Sun May 27, 2012 4:06 am

Leyland B21 wrote:Ok. As per the moderators have mentioned in the Thread regarding Slander and attacks, it seems this has become so personal of late hence why i am not contributing as much as i once did. Its a shame cos this site is so useful , educational and a place where people can have their input. the fact that the above posts mention

TP 1592 wrote:Arn't people allowed thier say in things anymore?

Cheers!


This is getting the point where its no longer inviting to people wanting to use this site. For christs sake, read the topic http://www.busaustralia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=67529

Take a step back for a moment, look at what your writing / posting, have some consideration for new users that do not wish to see childish behaviour and appreciate the fact you have a well formatted website/forum available for you interest / hobby as well as other users. Keep it inviting so if a new user checks the site out, they are not submitted to behavior of a low standard, slander, attacks on others, but a site where they can learn from and offer their input to an interest shared by many.

Now I am not a moderator but im speaking on behalf of those that use this site for the right reasons. Enough is enough. Dont take forgranted the work Users / Admins / Whatever put into this site. Its there for yours as well as the publics benefit!!! Dont Abuse It

I get where your coming from Leyland. All I was saying about was why laptop said to PE "he should go for the better of the website".

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Re: Bus Routes - What would you do if you were in charge?

Postby User 11872 » Sun May 27, 2012 7:18 pm

busdriver12 wrote:
laptop15 wrote:What the hell is wrong with you? Isnt just best if you leave?


Who made you boss of the wash?



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Re: Bus Routes - What would you do if you were in charge?

Postby Bus Suggestions » Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:42 pm

Just my 2 cents, this thread has been inactive for 6 years! Just my 2 cents...

PART 1

Northern Services

Wanneroo Rd Services

384
No change.

385
Reroute and frequency change: Same route to Wanneroo Rd, then R Templeton, L Marangaroo, R Giralt into Kingsway, and make it a full limited stops service, operating every 15 mins 06:45 to 09:15 interchanging with the 386 to Perth, and every 15 mins 14:45 to 18:15 interchanging with the 386 from Perth.

386
Frequency change: Half-hourly 05:00 to 07:00, 15 mins interchanging with 385 07:00 to 09:30 to Perth, 20 mins from Perth 07:00 to 09:30, then 20 mins 09:30 to 15:00, 15 mins interchanging with 385 15:00 to 18:00 to Kingsway, 20 mins 15:00 to 18:00 to Perth, then half-hourly to midnight on Weekdays, same frequency as current on weekends

387
Withdraw, replace with a reincarnation of 449 service operating half-hourly 07:00 to 18:30 weekdays, and every 45 mins 08:00 to 17:45 Saturdays and 45 mins 09:00 to 17:00 Sundays.

388 and 389
Consolidate into route 980 (see below)

*New HIGH FREQUENCY Route* 980
Perth - Wanneroo via Warwick
Follows current Route 388 into Warwick, then exit Warwick, R Beach, R Davallia, R Warwick, L Wanneroo to follow current 389 into Wanneroo. Every 20 mins 05:00 to 07:00, every 7/8 mins 07:00 to 09:30, with every 2nd service only running Perth-Warwick and Vice-Versa , 10 mins 09:30 to 15:00, every 7/8 mins 15:00 to 19:00, with every 2nd service only running Perth-Warwick and Vice-Versa, then 20 Mins 19:00 to 21:00 and half-hourly 21:00 to 23:00 on Weekdays.

P.S. This now looks like 20 cents :lol:
P.P.S. Maybe this thread would be better in the Armchair Operators & Fantasy Networks Section :?:
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Re: Bus Routes - What would you do if you were in charge?

Postby Merc1107 » Tue Jul 17, 2018 1:36 pm

Those who know me in person will inevitably roll their eyes at this one.
A bug-bear of mine is the timetabling of the four services (114, 115, 150 & 160) travelling between Booragoon and the city, particularly towards the city off-peak weekdays and weekends, and from the city on weekends.
The opportunity presently being lost is being able to stagger the services to create a 7-8min frequency towards the city (and 15mins from the city on weekends), and increase connectivity en route with services such as the 910, 100 & 101. Instead you end up with 2-3 buses bunched up together serving a common area, which just doesn't seem sensible.

The 531 service is another that perhaps needs a bit of review. West of Stock Rd., it duplicates the 114 through Munster, whilst taking longer than other Rockingham Road services (e.g. 520, 530 and 549) to reach Fremantle. It doesn't really service Phoenix Shops (except for some daytime deviations around Coleville Cr.), then whips through the back of Hamilton Hill (where there is already access to a number of routes) to then service Forest & Rockingham Rds.
Headed towards Cockburn, you end up with passengers that don't know any better up the back wondering why its taking so long to reach Cockburn whilst you twist and turn through the back streets of Beeliar. Terminating the service on Watson Rd would be more ideal - according to this post the 531 is significantly less-utilised than other services in the area.

Lastly, for the developing area around Port Coogee, it would be nice to see some additional weekend trips for the 548 into the area. Given the length of the 548, I think servicing the area would be best done with short-working, rather than full-length services to/from Fremantle. Alternatively, I suppose the 512 might eventually be extended from its current terminus at the intersection of Spearwood Ave./Hamilton Rd.
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Re: Bus Routes - What would you do if you were in charge?

Postby Pinza » Tue Jul 17, 2018 6:32 pm

I’d Have a good look at some of the strange workings in the Baldivis area. Plenty of services to and from Warnboro station especially for the schools - as there should be - but some glaringly obvious missed opportunities I.e. the 568. Terminates in the middle of nowhere most of the time and has occasional trips to Baldivis primary school. There’s several whole new areas built or being built in the north Baldivis/Fifty Rd/Mandurah Rd/Mundijong Rd area - not to mention the other primary school and spudshed. Surely there is a case to extend the 568 through the new estates to Rockingham via Mandurah Rd....or even Kwinana.
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