Bus Routes - What would you do if you were in charge?

[route171]

I simply think that trains should run at 0100, 0200, 0300, 0400 & 0500, and in BOTH directions. Buswell's weak answer that they are trying to get people out of the city and not in is simply BS. People live in the city or near to it as well and need to return from Fremantle etc.
We are really so backward with public transport in this place. We are "booming" at a net migration rate of around 800-1000 people per week and Transperth don't want to get their trains dirty.

Yes, I agree, we need to see a de-centralisation of train and bus services. Not everyone travels to/from the city at a given time.

[Cat]

In light of the recent announcement here
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/wa ... ongestion/
about the introduction of a Green CAT service (and the fact that the government has not yet released details of the service), I propose the following suggested route for such a service:
Start with a stop outside Leederville Station on Southport Street, then down Southport, Railway Parade, Sunderland Street through the Subway, Wellington Street, Havelock Street, Kings Park Road, Malcolm Street, St Georges Terrace, Mill Street to Esplanade Station. Then the same again in reverse back to Leederville.

Anyone else want to suggest where this new Green CAT could/should run?

The Worst Australian has it looping round the waterfront and up Barrack Street. (Source: http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/breaking/13486257/riverfront-falls-behind-schedule/)

Also the irony of a user named Cat commenting on the introduction of a new Cat bus is not lost on me...

[plant-ender]

The Worst Australian has it looping round the waterfront and up Barrack Street.

Surely, Gillard would have nothing to do with this arrangement?

[Mr OC Benz]

There was actually a map with the new plan on Ch 7 News, hopefully someone may have captured that, or at least the map may be available later.

I'm interested as to where the extra buses will come from for the extra Red CAT services starting in July.

[Q4004]

Amazing, relatively, what is considered a failure on a bus as opposed to a train. Only 300 people used the 0400 Friday train over all lines, an average of 50-60 on each line....HARDLY A FAILURE!
How many services run around the city and suburbs with less than 10 passengers at any given time between 1900 and 2400 hrs on a daily basis?

And why not charge for it to help make it more viable? I don't believe it is unreasonable when you consider the alternative is an expensive taxi fare (flag fall alone more expensive than a train ticket).
Drive past the Murray St entrance to Perth Underground (and Esplanade) and see how many stragglers are waiting for the gates to open for the first train to Mandurah. There are a lot so it is justified and should come under the CSO that currently provides services outside "peak" conditions.

Adelaide, smaller than Perth, has a better all-night service.

I simply think that trains should run at 0100, 0200, 0300, 0400 & 0500, and in BOTH directions. Buswell's weak answer that they are trying to get people out of the city and not in is simply BS. People live in the city or near to it as well and need to return from Fremantle etc.
We are really so backward with public transport in this place. We are "booming" at a net migration rate of around 800-1000 people per week and Transperth don't want to get their trains dirty.

Good luck with those trains, the friday 4am services are being removed, Friday 27th April will be the last 4am services out of Perth on all lines except Thornlie Line. The Saturday 4am services will continue to run

In regards to the Green Cat. Im also interested to see what buses will be put on that seeing most of SCT SWB OC's are already at Claisebrook Depot.

[Mr OC Benz]

Turns out there'll be three extra buses for the Red CAT this July.

[ADX666]

Plenty of choices seeing as though several OC's were taken out of route service and turned into cats last time, nothing stopping them just doing the same thing to 3 more eh?

[perthbus]

Plenty of choices seeing as though several OC's were taken out of route service and turned into cats last time, nothing stopping them just doing the same thing to 3 more eh?

My guess is 1919 and maybe some common sense will prevail and they'll grab something like 1908 and 09 and use these solely for the Yellows, which have no issues with tight turns.

[Cat]

With regards to that Inner Circle Route a couple of pages back:

an inner “circle route” is needed in the long term to link Glendalough on the Joondalup line with Canning Bridge on the Mandurah line, and Subiaco and UWA/QE11 before entering the City from the east via Curtin/Bentley at Victoria Park.

[Mr OC Benz]

Plenty of choices seeing as though several OC's were taken out of route service and turned into cats last time, nothing stopping them just doing the same thing to 3 more eh?

My guess is 1919 and maybe some common sense will prevail and they'll grab something like 1908 and 09 and use these solely for the Yellows, which have no issues with tight turns.

If they can operate LWB on 004's, surely it shouldn't be a problem operating on West Perth loops, but the whole Red CAT doesn't seem to difficult anyway...

[BusSpotter97]

I've seen artic's on 4's and the Yellow should be fine in LWB's too.

[laptop15]

With regards to that Inner Circle Route a couple of pages back:

an inner “circle route” is needed in the long term to link Glendalough on the Joondalup line with Canning Bridge on the Mandurah line, and Subiaco and UWA/QE11 before entering the City from the east via Curtin/Bentley at Victoria Park.

Thats very interesting considering TP told these people that it is not needed, you should post that on their facebook page...

[trainman12]

Ill so route 558 rockingham station to warnbro through to mandurah

[Cat]

Ill so route 558 rockingham station to warnbro through to mandurah

Isn't that what it already does?

[plant-ender]

I think he means via the foreshore?

If he does, I would concur.

[Cat]

There was actually a map with the new plan on Ch 7 News, hopefully someone may have captured that, or at least the map may be available later.

I'm interested as to where the extra buses will come from for the extra Red CAT services starting in July.

Not sure if it's the same map, but I found something in page 21 of this PDF.

Interesting that it's not the same as what The West Australian reckoned.

[Mr OC Benz]

Yep that's it, I've attached it to here too.

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[Bus Fanatic]

Mr OC Benz- I believe that two Midis from Southern River will be joining the CAT Fleet at some stage in the near future and these will be replaced with two long wheelbase OC500 from another Depot following delivery of Volvo Buses.

[laptop15]

I dont understand why they are getting rid of the bus lanes on Barrack Street and putting some on William street when they are putting bus lanes all the way down Beaufort street? Doesnt it make sense to continue these lanes all the way down Barrack? FFS! But nice Green CAT! Wonder if they could make a Green CAT "Special" to go to Kings Park?

[Mr OC Benz]

I think you misunderstood it, the way I read it, the Barrack St bus lane will be there, but more defined as a bus priority right up and along Beaufort St.

[Off The Rails]

Would a bus route work from Byford to Rockingham?
If possible, this route (no. 564) would run from Byford Stn, R Soldiers rd, L Abernethy rd, R Thatcher rd, R Thatcher rd (It connects to Binshaw rd), L Larsen rd, R Briggs rd, L Thomas rd, L Gilmore ave to Kwinana Hub BS, R back onto Gilmore ave, L Thomas rd, L Rockingham rd, then the rest of the way (following the 920 route) to Rockingham Stn.
Times are: 1 hour all day on weekdays, 2 hours on weekends. Run is done by SCT.

Cheers!

[Leyland B21]

How about extending Route 568 from its current terminus in Baldivis to Fifty Road to service the estates behind Baldivis Primary School!!!

[Mr OC Benz]

Would a bus route work from Byford to Rockingham?
If possible, this route (no. 564) would run from Byford Stn, R Soldiers rd, L Abernethy rd, R Thatcher rd, R Thatcher rd (It connects to Binshaw rd), L Larsen rd, R Briggs rd, L Thomas rd, L Gilmore ave to Kwinana Hub BS, R back onto Gilmore ave, L Thomas rd, L Rockingham rd, then the rest of the way (following the 920 route) to Rockingham Stn.
Times are: 1 hour all day on weekdays, 2 hours on weekends. Run is done by SCT.

what's the point though? Who'd use it?

[laptop15]

I think you misunderstood it, the way I read it, the Barrack St bus lane will be there, but more defined as a bus priority right up and along Beaufort St.

If you read the map on page 22 it says "Exsisting Bus Priority to be replaced with the William street bus priority lanes" to me that sounds like the bus priority on Barrack street means the bus lane and that will be replaced (ie lane to be removed) with new lanes on William street...

[High Floor Bus]

Mr OC Benz wrote:
I think you misunderstood it, the way I read it, the Barrack St bus lane will be there, but more defined as a bus priority right up and along Beaufort St.


If you read the map on page 22 it says "Exsisting Bus Priority to be replaced with the William street bus priority lanes" to me that sounds like the bus priority on Barrack street means the bus lane and that will be replaced (ie lane to be removed) with new lanes on William street...

Thats how i look at it too!
Why take the bus lane away , its bad enough being full of buses taking forever to load pax , let alone sharing it with more cars stoping the your bus from getting on stand .would'nt be better to reInstate the 4th lane back and add capacity like it used to have years before.
Better still cut short some of the through services that go up barrack st at WSBS & from the Busport.