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Re: October Bus Timetable changes

Postby jibb » Fri Oct 12, 2018 9:41 am

Former driver37 wrote:Should be an interesting couple of days with bus movements
We will see any bus from any depot doing any route.
New Depot opening on Sunday at Edinburgh for O-Bahn buses
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Re: October Bus Timetable changes

Postby Westside » Fri Oct 12, 2018 12:31 pm

Former driver37 wrote:I was driving at Lonsdale depot when we were through running and it never really worked all you needed was a accident on south road or main nth road and you were 45 plus minutes late and quite a headache for coordinators to cover routes


But Main North and South Roads aren't different from any other road. The problem is all the unnecessary (in an ideal world) X and F buses that use them. Ideally, most of the long runs should be altered to have passengers interchange with the rail lines and have 22# and 71#/72# buses cover the local part. This would allow them to be through-linked. As mentioned, the 720s may need to be adjusted and obviously a lot of reworking to still cover the northern section without relying on the F routes. Southern routes - send all current X and F buses to Flinders!
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Re: October Bus Timetable changes

Postby bigrobbo » Fri Oct 12, 2018 12:38 pm

In my humble opinion, F routes along South and Main North Rds are pointless. People getting on at FMC and Sefton Plaza use the F buses and they seem to stop at a heck of a lot of stops sometimes.


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Re: October Bus Timetable changes

Postby Eurostar » Fri Oct 12, 2018 12:51 pm

bigrobbo wrote:In my humble opinion, F routes along South and Main North Rds are pointless. People getting on at FMC and Sefton Plaza use the F buses and they seem to stop at a heck of a lot of stops sometimes.
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The F's first set down should be Bus Stop 25, last pick up be Bus Stop 25 on Main North Road.
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Re: October Bus Timetable changes

Postby Crispy! » Sat Oct 13, 2018 12:08 am

Eurostar wrote:
bigrobbo wrote:In my humble opinion, F routes along South and Main North Rds are pointless. People getting on at FMC and Sefton Plaza use the F buses and they seem to stop at a heck of a lot of stops sometimes.
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The F's first set down should be Bus Stop 25, last pick up be Bus Stop 25 on Main North Road.


It was Stop 25 till it was reduced to Stop 17
and transfers to 225 and 229 were also at Stop 25
with it being Stop 29 it is an inconvenience for some.
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Re: October Bus Timetable changes

Postby TA3001 » Sat Oct 13, 2018 1:39 am

Crispy! wrote:
It was Stop 25 till it was reduced to Stop 17
and transfers to 225 and 229 were also at Stop 25
with it being Stop 29 it is an inconvenience for some.


Stop 29 is closer to Pooraka depot than 25, and the connections at stop 25 are only logical with 225 runs. I agree with the F services being first set down at stop 25. But I personally think the 224 is too slow as it is. Ideally it should be rerouted via the route it took before Mawson Lakes existed (via Port Wakefield Rd and Salisbury Highway). It would shave around 12-15 minutes off travel times, with the 411 being rerouted via Ryans Rd and continuing to Mawson interchange.

A potential downside to this is that the 411 would not be able to serve the industrial area without looping around due to the connections taking place. At night and on weekends, it could leave Salisbury Interchange at say 8:21PM, and arrive Mawson at 9:00PM due to the shortened route it would take. Another service would depart the interchange at 9:18 enabling a connection with the 228 at stop 29 at 9:30.
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Re: October Bus Timetable changes

Postby jibb » Sat Oct 13, 2018 11:11 am

Scanias 1819 to 1828 have been with guide wheels for O-Bahn services
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Re: October Bus Timetable changes

Postby jibb » Sat Oct 13, 2018 11:31 am

Scania rigids 1403-1419 currently based at St Agnes are going to Port Depot.
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Re: October Bus Timetable changes

Postby jibb » Sun Oct 14, 2018 2:11 pm

Fleet Lists has been updated today showing all the transfers and fleets at each depot.
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Re: October Bus Timetable changes

Postby jibb » Sun Oct 14, 2018 2:12 pm

jibb wrote:Scania rigids 1403-1419 currently based at St Agnes are going to Port Depot.

Not quite correct-see updated fleet lists-apologies.
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Re: October Bus Timetable changes

Postby Route 506 » Mon Oct 15, 2018 1:09 pm

jibb wrote:
Former driver37 wrote:Should be an interesting couple of days with bus movements
We will see any bus from any depot doing any route.
New Depot opening on Sunday at Edinburgh for O-Bahn buses
O-Bahn buses on J1-J2,O-Bahn buses on 110 with O-Bahn buses based at Port.
and more.


Certainly proved that way yesterday with several 502 services being run from Newton as were a couple of 556/557 services. Makes perfect sense really if the shift starts and finishes at Paradise I/C and doesn't need the O-Bahn Newton is the closest Depot.

Looking at the way things have started so far (I know only 2 days in) I think we should be hoping that Torrens and Southlink both win their contracts again next year!
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Re: October Bus Timetable changes

Postby jibb » Mon Oct 15, 2018 1:18 pm

Route 506 wrote:Certainly proved that way yesterday with several 502 services being run from Newton as were a couple of 556/557 services. Makes perfect sense really if the shift starts and finishes at Paradise I/C and doesn't need the O-Bahn Newton is the closest Depot.

Looking at the way things have started so far (I know only 2 days in) I think we should be hoping that Torrens and Southlink both win their contracts again next year!

It would save the Government a lot of money if they were to just extend the contracts for another 5 years ,as was part of the 2011 contracts which had provision for extending the contracts if the contractors performance was satisfactory.
Now with former problem child Light City Buses gone I would have thought this a good option!
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Re: October Bus Timetable changes

Postby The Phonj » Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:03 pm

I understand that the contract extension was at the agreement of both parties, under the same conditions. While Torrens Transit may have purchased the Light City business; I doubt that they would want to continue it at the same price point that won Transfield Services the original contract.
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Re: October Bus Timetable changes

Postby Crispy! » Thu Oct 18, 2018 12:17 am

It’s been great with all the rare sights

1333 did a 502 from Salisbury to Paradise on Sunday
Bustech 1981 did a 209F and then a 507 on Tuesday *first Bustech to enter Tea Tree Plaza.
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Re: October Bus Timetable changes

Postby Eurostar » Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:14 pm

After hearing about Stephen Knoll talking about feeding bus routes. Here are some that could work

Replace 208s with 528s (extended to Paradise)

Setup a interchange at Woodville Station so that routes like 230 and 232 can feed to the train
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Re: October Bus Timetable changes

Postby Eagle Eye » Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:28 am

Eurostar wrote:Setup a interchange at Woodville Station so that routes like 230 and 232 can feed to the train

And presumably passengers along Days Rd, Pym St, Harrison Rd & Torrens Rd can just miss out?
If you're talking about a detour to the 230 & 232 via Woodville then back to normal route then that will just lengthen the route, cost more money and more buses.
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Re: October Bus Timetable changes

Postby Eurostar » Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:04 am

North western residents have the Outer Harbor Line and Grange Line, the buses should be feeding to the train stations so commuters have faster travel times to and from the City.
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Re: October Bus Timetable changes

Postby TT » Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:22 am

The 232 already travels within a couple of hundred metres of the OH line, would be quicker to walk to Alberton or Cheltenham stations. And I’m sure most people in that area already do. And no need to worry about missed transfers.
If you’re going to have buses feeding to the OH line at Woodville it’s more like the 251-254, 157 (the 150 a bit pointless as well as it’s already closely followed the train from Osborne) buses that should be feeding in there, but then only when guaranteed of transfers, especially if trains remain as half-hourly service. And even then many people would then need to transfer to a tram (or a bus) to get to most parts of the city.
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Re: October Bus Timetable changes

Postby Eagle Eye » Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:57 pm

So passengers on Regency Road and Days Rd should either catch a bus backwards to Arndale, transfer to a bus to Woodville, then transfer to a train to the city or walk at least 1.5km to get to their nearest train station?

The majority of the 230 & 232 routes between Arndale and the city are not within reasonable walking distance of a train line. At present it is not suitable to have buses terminate at Ovingham and connect to trains. Perhaps if a bridge ever gets built at this location, it could somehow incorporate train & bus transfers but until that happens, and there is more capacity on the Gawler line, this simply will not happen.
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Re: October Bus Timetable changes

Postby Eurostar » Mon Nov 05, 2018 5:19 pm

Regency Road also has 300s, which can get those commuters to Islington Station where there are regular train services
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Re: October Bus Timetable changes

Postby Eagle Eye » Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:41 am

Eurostar wrote:Regency Road also has 300s, which can get those commuters to Islington Station where there are regular train services

That's handy when not all trains stop there. Plus it's not the easiest transfer point from the bridge down to the platform and vice versa. Not really wheelchair friendly or easy for people with disabilities. I'd suggest the somewhat isolated location near an industrial area wouldn't exactly make a lot of people feel safe either. There would need to be a lot of upgrades to this area before it could be considered user-friendly for most people. If it's not user-friendly, most people simply won't use it.
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Re: October Bus Timetable changes

Postby Westside » Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:29 am

The old 333 and 336 routes used to integrate will with the OH train both at Glanville for LeFevre Peninsular sections and at Ethelton for the Semaphore Park/West Lakes Shore sections. Eventually these routes were split, redirected and some sections cut entirely. Only the 333 between Osborne and Glanville remains with a true rail transfer. For some reason, people still prefer a one seat journey that might be slower than transferring and the perception that you have to travel backwards to go forwards (in the case of northbound 333s and 336s transferring at Ethelton to then head south). Unfortunately it's not a case of build and they will come. I assume the extension of the 150 and the 157 and 117 routes work better than the train connections for most passengers and do not require any additional buses than what would be required to service the inner routes and the outer connections. The routes that should be reviewed are mostly on the Gawler and Seaford lines - (ie most of the 22#F, G2# and 72#F buses)
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Re: October Bus Timetable changes

Postby TA3001 » Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:14 am

The 333 is actually a lot more useless than it looks for rail transfers. On weekdays, it arrives Glanville station at about 18 and 48 minutes past the hour, which means that there will be a 25 minute wait for passengers wishing to transfer to the train, which is scheduled to depart at 13 and 43 minutes past. And according to the weekday timetable, the outbound run it is scheduled to depart Glanville at 6 past the hour, which is one minute before the train is due. Unless one has incredibly flexible arms that are stronger than Godzilla's, there is no chance of making it if both services are on time.

There is also no official connection between the 333 and 150 at least on weekends. Since the recent timetables changes, it now departs 7 Port minutes prior to the down 150 arriving. For inbound ones, it's 3 minutes after the 150 leaves stop D on weekends.. I suspect the DPTI are trying to find an excuse to cut it back to peak only, hence the (intentionally?) mistimed arrivals.
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Re: October Bus Timetable changes

Postby nscaler69 » Fri Nov 09, 2018 2:03 pm

TA3001 I couldn't said it any better, 100% agree with your comments.
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Re: October Bus Timetable changes

Postby bigrobbo » Wed Nov 14, 2018 10:00 am

What is this obsession with connecting rail/bus services so close to the city?

For many people, you would need to get from where you are in the city (Hutt Street, Central Market, South Tce for example) to Adelaide Railway Station, wait up to 15 minutes for a train, then get off and get a connecting bus.

Often it would be quicker to jump on a bus and go to where you want to go.
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