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Ageing buses to be replaced by SA gov in $300 mil

Postby I Follow PAFC » Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:27 pm

FOUR hundred new buses will rejuvenate Adelaide Metro’s fleet over the next 10 years, with the Government committing to build as many as possible in South Australia.

The Government is spruiking its $300 million investment as a shot in the arm for the state’s automotive manufacturing industry as it prepares for tomorrow’s closure of Holden’s Elizabeth Plant.

The contract will go out to tender today.

Companies who pitch electric buses, microhybrids and hydrogen-powered vehicles are all expected to prioritised, with the Government also asking for innovative ideas including Wi-Fi and hi-tech safety features.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/sout ... 74a78043c7
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Re: Ageing buses to be replaced by SA gov in $300 mil

Postby TA3001 » Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:09 pm

This budget will just account for replacements for MAN vehicles built from 1992-2003, some of which are already withdrawn. Must be a slow news day with the media.

I'm surprised that the there are still around 100 or more non wheelchair accessible vehicles in service, given that quite a few are beyond 24 and a half years old.

Any news on when 1601 is likely to be withdrawn?
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Re: Ageing buses to be replaced by SA gov in $300 mil

Postby paulgersche » Fri Oct 20, 2017 8:58 am

Hmmm ...

40 buses a year! Some "shot in the arm"!

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Postby Skexis » Fri Oct 20, 2017 10:02 am

40 per year is fine. Bear in mind it takes a fair while to build a bus.
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Postby nscaler69 » Fri Oct 20, 2017 11:38 am

AdelaideNow: "The Government said innovation would be the order of the day for the bus contract — with the contract facilitating new technologies such as electric and hydrogen buses and micro-hybrids."

The Micro-hybrids sound interesting, maybe to replace the Rosa buses.
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Re: Ageing buses to be replaced by SA gov in $300 mil

Postby TA3001 » Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:27 pm

Skexis wrote:40 per year is fine. Bear in mind it takes a fair while to build a bus.


1941-1943 were delivered in one hit more or less. I'd be surprised it if CC can't build at least 50 a year for Adelaide. 3D printing will speed things up.
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Re: Ageing buses to be replaced by SA gov in $300 mil

Postby Tim Williams » Fri Oct 20, 2017 4:11 pm

So, $300,000,000 for 400 buses = $750,000 per bus??

Are they all going to double deckers or artics? Ha!! - I don't know who does their pricing, but that cost is way over the top for that number of buses and if someone says that it is due to support equipment etc., think again!
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Postby burrumbus » Fri Oct 20, 2017 5:45 pm

Is there any election due in South Australia ??? Incredibly expensive single deckers ,Tim!!!!
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Re: Ageing buses to be replaced by SA gov in $300 mil

Postby burrumbus » Fri Oct 20, 2017 5:49 pm

SPIN !!!!!
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Re: Ageing buses to be replaced by SA gov in $300 mil

Postby Tim Williams » Fri Oct 20, 2017 5:50 pm

Yes!!!!!

Spot on!
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Re: Ageing buses to be replaced by SA gov in $300 mil

Postby The Phonj » Sat Oct 21, 2017 8:28 am

TA3001 wrote:This budget will just account for replacements for MAN vehicles built from 1992-2003, some of which are already withdrawn. Must be a slow news day with the media.
By my calculations, 400 buses over the next ten years will ensure the retirement of all remaining MAN vehicles as you have mentioned (approximately 350 remaining); plus the vast majority of the Southlink owned Scania L94/Volgren CR224 buses in the hills. Looks to be little scope for fleet expansion with this announcement.

Tim Williams wrote:So, $300,000,000 for 400 buses = $750,000 per bus??

Are they all going to double deckers or artics? Ha!! - I don't know who does their pricing, but that cost is way over the top for that number of buses and if someone says that it is due to support equipment etc., think again!
Some of the more emerging technologies - hybrid, electric, hydrogen etc may be more expensive than a 'regular' diesel bus. There may be some additional deckers involved, but who knows really?
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Re: Ageing buses to be replaced by SA gov in $300 mil

Postby tonyp » Sat Oct 21, 2017 2:39 pm

The Phonj wrote:Some of the more emerging technologies - hybrid, electric, hydrogen etc may be more expensive than a 'regular' diesel bus. There may be some additional deckers involved, but who knows really?

That is about the price for a 12 metre electric bus. Perhaps that's what they're going to be?
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Re: Ageing buses to be replaced by SA gov in $300 mil

Postby coach driver 1981 » Tue Oct 24, 2017 11:29 pm

well i better start saving my money for a Southlink MAN 2200 series bus loved driving these when i was working for them especially 2205 and 2217
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Re: Ageing buses to be replaced by SA gov in $300 mil

Postby TA3001 » Wed Oct 25, 2017 1:38 pm

2205 and 2217 are just standard ZF diesel NL202s like 2218-2245, and 1735-1740. Some of the newer ones to have a distinctive retarder sound. Not sure what they like when they were new, but they weren't exactly my faves back then.
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Re: Ageing buses to be replaced by SA gov in $300 mil

Postby coach driver 1981 » Wed Oct 25, 2017 11:22 pm

TA3001 wrote:2205 and 2217 are just standard ZF diesel NL202s like 2218-2245, and 1735-1740. Some of the newer ones to have a distinctive retarder sound. Not sure what they like when they were new, but they weren't exactly my faves back then.

i just found these so comfortable to drive compared to an 18.280 2700 bus and a Cb80
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Re: Ageing buses to be replaced by SA gov in $300 mil

Postby MrNicoster » Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:45 am

TA3001 wrote:3D printing will speed things up.


I fail to see how 3D printing could speed up the process of Bus Manufacturing. The technologies currently available would not be able to produce parts able to withstand the stresses of being a bus longer than current normally manufactured parts.
I'm happy to be proven wrong but I do not see current technologies being worth it for manufacturers.
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